2016 Postmortem

freshwest

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160. OMG, Bobbie Jo, I had not seen this:

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:15 AM

Jul 2015

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/22/1404615/-A-black-woman-s-negative-encounter-with-a-Sanders-supporter-after-NN15-BlackLivesMatter-protest

The white guy putting his hands on the shoulders of the girl at the swimming pool in north Texas was said to be part of the racist response. Why is this guy getting in her personal space?

When we meet in my district with fellow Democrats, no one would dare to do such a thing. To anyone, even a disruptor, as we have LaRourchies come in from time to time to raise hell.

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How the fuck should I know? I'm just a lilly-white middle aged fat guy. [View all] hootinholler Jul 2015 OP

Contrived to take him off message is my take too. Live and Learn Jul 2015 #1

There's been a lot of "contrived" going around lately. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #17

NO Bernie is TOO Humble He should say "I have been fighting FOR POC longer than you have been alive Vincardog Jul 2015 #99

that's the past. he has to EARN support 6chars Jul 2015 #111

As opposed to? Which pol just has to SAY it during a campaign? Vincardog Jul 2015 #119

They ALL have to earn votes BainsBane Jul 2015 #187

You assert that a lifetime of fighting for POC counts for nothing. I ask which candidate you Vincardog Jul 2015 #231

This is about people of color BainsBane Jul 2015 #237

I am listening you refuse to speak. You reply to me and make assertions. I ask for clarification, Vincardog Jul 2015 #249

A 30 year history of doing the right thing... bvar22 Jul 2015 #239

...! KoKo Jul 2015 #247

Let me parse your statement logically: jonno99 Jul 2015 #128

Bernie has not been fighting for POCs since 1964 which is when he graduated underthematrix Jul 2015 #129

I agree with you about Congress Vincardog Jul 2015 #133

And Hillary has? passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #151

Bernie can talk and speechify but when you drill into any issue underthematrix Jul 2015 #166

I don't buy that passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #168

"Kiss my ass publicly early and often and MAYBE I'll give you my blessing." Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #234

But he STARTED the Progressive Caucus ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #210

Bernie has been working for 35 years accross party lines to DO things. Your argument for a Diverse Vincardog Jul 2015 #232

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #242

Democratic(ic) party. Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #245

HIllary can build "coalitions", bvar22 Jul 2015 #248

Mahalo for your post, underthematrix! All of it. take out a snip here, though.. Cha Jul 2015 #196

Exactly. silverweb Jul 2015 #244

If you don't know, maybe the best thing is simply not to talk about it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #2

This. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #3

So much this. bettyellen Jul 2015 #5

Did I stumble upon the wrong site? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #7

Yup. Agschmid Jul 2015 #8

And that makes three shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #10

He's getting there . . . brush Jul 2015 #11

I agree. But at the same time he has to gain name recognition all across the country with all races. jwirr Jul 2015 #22

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2015 #78

Because "the people" okasha Jul 2015 #137

Ouch, sheshe2 Jul 2015 #144

Let's hope it's a teachable moment. okasha Jul 2015 #148

>Teachable Moment" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #211

Not that I have much hope.. okasha Jul 2015 #219

Not to disappoint you but the necessity for a simple message is for the benefit white people Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #225

Would it help for the message to be delivered phonetically ? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #217

Yeah this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #64

K&R. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #4

I was right there warning you all since the netroots nation dustup to NOT start a battle WITH black bravenak Jul 2015 #6

This place is unbelievable... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #9

Real shit. bravenak Jul 2015 #12

They really need to step out of their homogeneous hamlets... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #16

I swear to god they need to listen to people who do not look like them. bravenak Jul 2015 #18

you've made an awful lot of accusations against Bernie supporters. Do you have any links magical thyme Jul 2015 #13

I do not owe you links. bravenak Jul 2015 #14

If you're going to make accusations, it's a good idea to be able to back them up. magical thyme Jul 2015 #34

That post remained and I had to beg the poster to delete it. It is posted by DSB downthread. bravenak Jul 2015 #43

I already found it (or its copy) and see that the poster did self-delete it. magical thyme Jul 2015 #67

My opinion is that bernie's messaging is getting better. bravenak Jul 2015 #69

what has hillary done for you that bernie hasn't? this seems very personal to you. on DU hillary has dionysus Jul 2015 #175

I hate Hillary. But her fans are super fucking nice to me at all times no matter what. bravenak Jul 2015 #176

i feel you, but deciding your vote based on what anonymous assholes (who may not be who they appear dionysus Jul 2015 #178

I know. If only it had been SOLELY on DU I would not be fazed. bravenak Jul 2015 #180

wow. what the hell went on when i wasn't following DU and politics this year.... dionysus Jul 2015 #183

Lol! Netroots Nation. :) bravenak Jul 2015 #203

I love you as if you were one of my own. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #194

I love you too. bravenak Jul 2015 #204

Go through the last few weeks posts by 'Black Kos' group over on Daily Kos. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #63

Hillary has hired as many people of color as Bernie's core staff, but her staff is 10x the size magical thyme Jul 2015 #117

I've seen them and plenty of us have BainsBane Jul 2015 #190

so I found the "race nagging" post magical thyme Jul 2015 #49

Yeah. Well that was just the icing on the cake. bravenak Jul 2015 #54

BS supporters attacked you.. and you're telling them why it's not cool. But, some still won't Cha Jul 2015 #188

This is like being on a bad acid trip. Everything is just wrong in some way. Bad vibes. bravenak Jul 2015 #202

The arrogance is only surpassed by ignorance. Cha Jul 2015 #205

It's a violation of DU rules to call out a fellow poster but I will leave you with this DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #19

Just FYI arendt Jul 2015 #44

Bravenak and I wear your opprobrium and and ad hominems like a badge. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #60

Bravo. Lilith Rising Jul 2015 #103

The ironic thing is we responded to a call out... We didn't start this fire... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #106

No search necessary. I've been watching all of Lilith Rising Jul 2015 #122

I am content to tout my candidate...I don't start bashing threads and I don't proselytize. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #124

Congratulations. okasha Jul 2015 #142

I suspect that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #76

Probably a wise thing to do. zeemike Jul 2015 #79

It's a cheap shot to insult someone and not let them respond... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #96

I was not talking to you. zeemike Jul 2015 #101

I wasn't referring to you...I was referring to the poster who took the rhetorical equivalent ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #104

"It's a cheap shot to insult someone and not let them respond..." passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #118

I have put people on "Ignore" but I don't tell them because I know they can't respond... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #123

JUST FYI: I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THIS PERSON IS. I'M OKAY WITH HIM IGNORING ME. :) bravenak Jul 2015 #82

Yeah, he's the one who is missing out. I would wear it as a badge of honor if he put me on "Ignore" Cha Jul 2015 #149

I do feel rather pleased. bravenak Jul 2015 #156

Quite so. Cha Jul 2015 #167

Jury results pintobean Jul 2015 #93

Thank you for posting it. I certainly didn't alert on it ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #100

You did respond pintobean Jul 2015 #108

As is my right.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #109

So? What does that have to do with "Alerting"? Cha Jul 2015 #172

Nothing. pintobean Jul 2015 #201

Thanks for clarifying./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #113

You are on ignore for being so blind heaven05 Jul 2015 #97

As a campaign tactic it's pretty easy to make all of these smears without proof, while GoneFishin Jul 2015 #26

The suggestion that black folks can't do things by themselves and lack agency is appalling DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #29

It's a campaign tactic. Can't stop yourself from shamelessly trying to make it more than that, GoneFishin Jul 2015 #48

I didn't call out a whole group of people on Democratic Underground DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #51

Really. You did not tar all Bernie supporters based on something written somewhere by GoneFishin Jul 2015 #58

Campaign tactic? sheshe2 Jul 2015 #165

You are confusing me with someone else. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #213

It's worse than appalling. okasha Jul 2015 #59

You go my sista underthematrix Jul 2015 #114

In solidarity. okasha Jul 2015 #140

You're kinda missing the point brush Jul 2015 #31

Which is ironic because the majority of them don't support her. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #36

This is true. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #83

The problem is they don't revere him either./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #84

You forgot the quotes around "supporters". GoneFishin Jul 2015 #50

I think I get what you mean . . . brush Jul 2015 #150

I read them all. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #57

You are confusing me with someone else. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #61

He asked for proof of supporters of a certain candidate saying certain things and I provided it. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #71

Uh ... ok. Sure. Missed that post. But the poster sounds like a real asshole if he called someone a GoneFishin Jul 2015 #75

Again, calling out posters by name is prohibited DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #91

Would you pm me that link please? okasha Jul 2015 #145

Woohoo, Bravenak! Let's see how they react to this. brush Jul 2015 #15

It won't stop. They know better than us what we need. Now if only they could shut us up. bravenak Jul 2015 #20

I saw that disgusting comment hootinholler Jul 2015 #23

If he's being rat fucked, it's by his own people. bravenak Jul 2015 #28

Guess who will get the blame should Sanders go down? Number23 Jul 2015 #47

I am just about ready to Dexter somebody. bravenak Jul 2015 #52

guess what I'll wear that blame with heaven05 Jul 2015 #121

I will vote for whoever the Dem nom is but I agree, Sanders supporters have always, ALWAYS been Number23 Jul 2015 #147

Thank you Thank you Thank you sheshe2 Jul 2015 #181

Exactly. 100% agreed Number23 Jul 2015 #184

every word, true heaven05 Jul 2015 #207

From what I've see so far it's Hillary that will get the blame. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #127

Jeopardy question. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #161

The tone deaf Bernie supporters. Cha Jul 2015 #192

Assuming you know who Lee Atwater was hootinholler Jul 2015 #86

Some black people are adopted or have white parents raising them. bravenak Jul 2015 #89

"some black people are adopted or have white parents raising them" shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #139

He had to connect with the black community. bravenak Jul 2015 #153

He had to connect with the white community shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #171

I have no clue what you are talking about. bravenak Jul 2015 #174

COMPLETE....wait for it.... heaven05 Jul 2015 #214

I know who atwater is/was heaven05 Jul 2015 #212

"I try to get white men to read black publications." passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #105

There are always agent provacateurs when there is money and power at stake. The only GoneFishin Jul 2015 #40

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #224

+1,000 greatauntoftriplets Jul 2015 #27

Sure, Bernie's supporters (including myself) are really evil--that point has been made many times. Vattel Jul 2015 #38

Lol! bravenak Jul 2015 #56

some of bernie supporters are, but I'm just agreeing with you heaven05 Jul 2015 #90

I hear your anger. LWolf Jul 2015 #53

I think that Bernie is hitting his stride and his campaign is learning to do better. bravenak Jul 2015 #62

I think I agree about LWolf Jul 2015 #87

If that happens, will you consider supporting Bernie again? DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #138

Yes. I will. bravenak Jul 2015 #157

I don't tweet. I don't read tweets. This is anecdotal information I'm not involved with. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #68

Black folks tweet. We love twitter. Have multiple accounts. It's a thing we love like instagram. bravenak Jul 2015 #80

I care about the oligarchy and their boot on the neck of the 99%. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #102

If it makes you feel any better shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #146

I thought we were through with this for now.. but they keep popping up.. Cha Jul 2015 #186

All I can say is, Bernie's the guy running, not his supporters. Beartracks Jul 2015 #98

and I say thank god. heaven05 Jul 2015 #107

It seems you are so full of your own hate V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #126

Please... sheshe2 Jul 2015 #191

you said it heaven05 Jul 2015 #209

Bernie's evil fans drove you off the plantation? pa28 Jul 2015 #116

Winning hearts and minds one at a time, by patronizing then! DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #125

Some hearts and minds can't be won with sincerity. Hyperbole like that should be mocked. pa28 Jul 2015 #130

One man's hyperbole is another man's truth./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #131

If it's the truth I hope he's got a place to stay tonight. pa28 Jul 2015 #132

It is. I'm following the drinking gourd as we speak. bravenak Jul 2015 #155

Be safe Bravenak. I've posted a few people you might want to watch out for. pa28 Jul 2015 #158

I never called those peope evil. Just the evil fans. bravenak Jul 2015 #159

I believe you. Twitter can be like a trip through the sewer in a glass bottomed boat. pa28 Jul 2015 #162

Bernie went to SCLC today and spoke BainsBane Jul 2015 #189

It infuritates me, too. there is no rhyme or reason. Cha Jul 2015 #195

So why did you just give them another target? Hmmm? delrem Jul 2015 #21

I wonder who egged on Nat Turner... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #24

Poor choice of words hootinholler Jul 2015 #39

No, it wouldn't. okasha Jul 2015 #154

Probably the same people who egged on okasha Jul 2015 #152

It's rat-fucking in the best KKKarl Rove tradition hifiguy Jul 2015 #25

This post is satire, right? kwassa Jul 2015 #70

Not at all. hifiguy Jul 2015 #73

Well, I think it's funny. kwassa Jul 2015 #77

You're conflating different things. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #206

A couple of corrections for the sake of accuracy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #220

Exactly. Absolutely no one on DU has said that Bernie is a racist. I have never seen that. stevenleser Jul 2015 #223

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #226

That's why I said Hillary supporters and not PoC. I don't simply interchange the two. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #233

Sorry ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #235

I've noticed, heh. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #236

Black Lives Matter on Wikipedia udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #30

Maybe because they died for the sin of having a bit more melanin than some DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #32

BLM says it's a movement udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #41

It's also about black lives. Hence the name. bravenak Jul 2015 #85

I agree n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #92

from the beginning, the movement has been about vigilante killings as well as police killings JustinL Jul 2015 #169

That's not what the wiki description says and that is what's confusing udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #173

I suspect it is a political operation and cooperation. silvershadow Jul 2015 #33

I don't care. the_sly_pig Jul 2015 #35

You and I are not facing genocide by cop... we need more protests... MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #37

I'm totally on board with that! n/t hootinholler Jul 2015 #42

I knew you would be, and I think 99% of DU is also on board. MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #45

Bernie has done his job for 50 years V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #46

I think it's a mistake to see that as "one group's interests", just as it's a mistake winter is coming Jul 2015 #55

SOS heaven05 Jul 2015 #65

"the BLM movement is rejecting the candidate that is best equipped to advance their cause" Triana Jul 2015 #66

They didn't reject heaven05 Jul 2015 #74

Whooooooosh Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #72

This thread is an epic example... Adrahil Jul 2015 #95

OMG, Bobbie Jo, I had not seen this: freshwest Jul 2015 #160

Some of the things I've read Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #164

Mahalo, Bobbi Jo! Putting that right in my journal. Cha Jul 2015 #197

Hoo boy, you are indeed confused. PBass Jul 2015 #81

Someone had a race problem and accused someone else who didn't of having one RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #88

Hillary Clinton does not have a "race problem" --- PBass Jul 2015 #115

She definitely has in the past. Perhaps she's "evolved." RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #134

Weak sauce. Just talking about race (in this case, demographic support) PBass Jul 2015 #136

She was speaking to a predominantly white audience in West Virginia. RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #141

it sure sounds like blacks are not included in the class of "hard-working Americans" JustinL Jul 2015 #170

40 recommends (and counting) means 40 delusional Bernie supporters PBass Jul 2015 #94

Now up to 84.. they don't get it.. that's okay. Sounds like Bernie is getting it and that's what's Cha Jul 2015 #199

BLM underestimated the power of their action, maybe. snort Jul 2015 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jul 2015 #112

How about this? RandySF Jul 2015 #120

I'm tired. I proudly admit I support 840high Jul 2015 #135

Middle-aged white woman agrees. joanbarnes Jul 2015 #143

Senator Sanders positions on the issues compel HRC supporters to explain Babel_17 Jul 2015 #163

The important thing is, the truth came out, Zorra Jul 2015 #177

Reality means nothing to you, does it? BainsBane Jul 2015 #185

What color is the sky, in your world? shenmue Jul 2015 #193

Bernt Rose! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #221

I feel the big loser in all of this is ... the democratic party itself PFunk Jul 2015 #179

I understand this phenomenon completely. Maedhros Jul 2015 #227

The Democratic Party doesn't just ignore Black People after the election. bvar22 Jul 2015 #240

Hillary's huge gaffe was NOT treated the same way by the SAME PEOPLE. So when sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #182

Exactamente. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #198

+1 GoneFishin Jul 2015 #215

As always, you speak wisdom. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #228

"I think it could mean that the BLM movement is rejecting the candidate ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #200

Try listening to Sanders and others. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #208

The suggestion that Black Lives Matter are pawns... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #216

You see that, too? +1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #222

That was the old chestnut, that Martin was in cahoots with the communists. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #241

I don't think they're pawns, but that their message has been co-opted Maedhros Jul 2015 #229

Im glad i found this post V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #230

Your rambling makes sense to me, kacekwl Jul 2015 #238

I've generally stayed out of these discussions Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #243

I'm sure that Bernie Sanders supports fully the rights of people of color. yardwork Jul 2015 #246