2016 Postmortem

Cha

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197. Mahalo, Bobbi Jo! Putting that right in my journal.

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 03:56 AM

Jul 2015

Bobbie Jo (11,261 posts)

72. Whooooooosh

Again, it's not so much Sanders
as it is his supporters.

Once again, take a look at his supporters and their reaction to BLM:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=27165

Compared to the discussion in the AA group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118718521

Also, accounts from those who were there:

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/22/1404615/-A-black-woman-s-negative-encounter-with-a-Sanders-supporter-after-NN15-BlackLivesMatter-protest

Bottom line, their reaction to BLM is getting some well-deserved push back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=475770

Just. Stop. If you don't know much about this "BLM dustup." grab a damn mirror

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How the fuck should I know? I'm just a lilly-white middle aged fat guy. [View all] hootinholler Jul 2015 OP

Contrived to take him off message is my take too. Live and Learn Jul 2015 #1

There's been a lot of "contrived" going around lately. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #17

NO Bernie is TOO Humble He should say "I have been fighting FOR POC longer than you have been alive Vincardog Jul 2015 #99

that's the past. he has to EARN support 6chars Jul 2015 #111

As opposed to? Which pol just has to SAY it during a campaign? Vincardog Jul 2015 #119

They ALL have to earn votes BainsBane Jul 2015 #187

You assert that a lifetime of fighting for POC counts for nothing. I ask which candidate you Vincardog Jul 2015 #231

This is about people of color BainsBane Jul 2015 #237

I am listening you refuse to speak. You reply to me and make assertions. I ask for clarification, Vincardog Jul 2015 #249

A 30 year history of doing the right thing... bvar22 Jul 2015 #239

...! KoKo Jul 2015 #247

Let me parse your statement logically: jonno99 Jul 2015 #128

Bernie has not been fighting for POCs since 1964 which is when he graduated underthematrix Jul 2015 #129

I agree with you about Congress Vincardog Jul 2015 #133

And Hillary has? passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #151

Bernie can talk and speechify but when you drill into any issue underthematrix Jul 2015 #166

I don't buy that passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #168

"Kiss my ass publicly early and often and MAYBE I'll give you my blessing." Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #234

But he STARTED the Progressive Caucus ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #210

Bernie has been working for 35 years accross party lines to DO things. Your argument for a Diverse Vincardog Jul 2015 #232

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #242

Democratic(ic) party. Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #245

HIllary can build "coalitions", bvar22 Jul 2015 #248

Mahalo for your post, underthematrix! All of it. take out a snip here, though.. Cha Jul 2015 #196

Exactly. silverweb Jul 2015 #244

If you don't know, maybe the best thing is simply not to talk about it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #2

This. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #3

So much this. bettyellen Jul 2015 #5

Did I stumble upon the wrong site? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #7

Yup. Agschmid Jul 2015 #8

And that makes three shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #10

He's getting there . . . brush Jul 2015 #11

I agree. But at the same time he has to gain name recognition all across the country with all races. jwirr Jul 2015 #22

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2015 #78

Because "the people" okasha Jul 2015 #137

Ouch, sheshe2 Jul 2015 #144

Let's hope it's a teachable moment. okasha Jul 2015 #148

>Teachable Moment" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #211

Not that I have much hope.. okasha Jul 2015 #219

Not to disappoint you but the necessity for a simple message is for the benefit white people Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #225

Would it help for the message to be delivered phonetically ? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #217

Yeah this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #64

K&R. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #4

I was right there warning you all since the netroots nation dustup to NOT start a battle WITH black bravenak Jul 2015 #6

This place is unbelievable... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #9

Real shit. bravenak Jul 2015 #12

They really need to step out of their homogeneous hamlets... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #16

I swear to god they need to listen to people who do not look like them. bravenak Jul 2015 #18

you've made an awful lot of accusations against Bernie supporters. Do you have any links magical thyme Jul 2015 #13

I do not owe you links. bravenak Jul 2015 #14

If you're going to make accusations, it's a good idea to be able to back them up. magical thyme Jul 2015 #34

That post remained and I had to beg the poster to delete it. It is posted by DSB downthread. bravenak Jul 2015 #43

I already found it (or its copy) and see that the poster did self-delete it. magical thyme Jul 2015 #67

My opinion is that bernie's messaging is getting better. bravenak Jul 2015 #69

what has hillary done for you that bernie hasn't? this seems very personal to you. on DU hillary has dionysus Jul 2015 #175

I hate Hillary. But her fans are super fucking nice to me at all times no matter what. bravenak Jul 2015 #176

i feel you, but deciding your vote based on what anonymous assholes (who may not be who they appear dionysus Jul 2015 #178

I know. If only it had been SOLELY on DU I would not be fazed. bravenak Jul 2015 #180

wow. what the hell went on when i wasn't following DU and politics this year.... dionysus Jul 2015 #183

Lol! Netroots Nation. :) bravenak Jul 2015 #203

I love you as if you were one of my own. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #194

I love you too. bravenak Jul 2015 #204

Go through the last few weeks posts by 'Black Kos' group over on Daily Kos. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #63

Hillary has hired as many people of color as Bernie's core staff, but her staff is 10x the size magical thyme Jul 2015 #117

I've seen them and plenty of us have BainsBane Jul 2015 #190

so I found the "race nagging" post magical thyme Jul 2015 #49

Yeah. Well that was just the icing on the cake. bravenak Jul 2015 #54

BS supporters attacked you.. and you're telling them why it's not cool. But, some still won't Cha Jul 2015 #188

This is like being on a bad acid trip. Everything is just wrong in some way. Bad vibes. bravenak Jul 2015 #202

The arrogance is only surpassed by ignorance. Cha Jul 2015 #205

It's a violation of DU rules to call out a fellow poster but I will leave you with this DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #19

Just FYI arendt Jul 2015 #44

Bravenak and I wear your opprobrium and and ad hominems like a badge. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #60

Bravo. Lilith Rising Jul 2015 #103

The ironic thing is we responded to a call out... We didn't start this fire... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #106

No search necessary. I've been watching all of Lilith Rising Jul 2015 #122

I am content to tout my candidate...I don't start bashing threads and I don't proselytize. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #124

Congratulations. okasha Jul 2015 #142

I suspect that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #76

Probably a wise thing to do. zeemike Jul 2015 #79

It's a cheap shot to insult someone and not let them respond... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #96

I was not talking to you. zeemike Jul 2015 #101

I wasn't referring to you...I was referring to the poster who took the rhetorical equivalent ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #104

"It's a cheap shot to insult someone and not let them respond..." passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #118

I have put people on "Ignore" but I don't tell them because I know they can't respond... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #123

JUST FYI: I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THIS PERSON IS. I'M OKAY WITH HIM IGNORING ME. :) bravenak Jul 2015 #82

Yeah, he's the one who is missing out. I would wear it as a badge of honor if he put me on "Ignore" Cha Jul 2015 #149

I do feel rather pleased. bravenak Jul 2015 #156

Quite so. Cha Jul 2015 #167

Jury results pintobean Jul 2015 #93

Thank you for posting it. I certainly didn't alert on it ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #100

You did respond pintobean Jul 2015 #108

As is my right.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #109

So? What does that have to do with "Alerting"? Cha Jul 2015 #172

Nothing. pintobean Jul 2015 #201

Thanks for clarifying./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #113

You are on ignore for being so blind heaven05 Jul 2015 #97

As a campaign tactic it's pretty easy to make all of these smears without proof, while GoneFishin Jul 2015 #26

The suggestion that black folks can't do things by themselves and lack agency is appalling DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #29

It's a campaign tactic. Can't stop yourself from shamelessly trying to make it more than that, GoneFishin Jul 2015 #48

I didn't call out a whole group of people on Democratic Underground DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #51

Really. You did not tar all Bernie supporters based on something written somewhere by GoneFishin Jul 2015 #58

Campaign tactic? sheshe2 Jul 2015 #165

You are confusing me with someone else. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #213

It's worse than appalling. okasha Jul 2015 #59

You go my sista underthematrix Jul 2015 #114

In solidarity. okasha Jul 2015 #140

You're kinda missing the point brush Jul 2015 #31

Which is ironic because the majority of them don't support her. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #36

This is true. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #83

The problem is they don't revere him either./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #84

You forgot the quotes around "supporters". GoneFishin Jul 2015 #50

I think I get what you mean . . . brush Jul 2015 #150

I read them all. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #57

You are confusing me with someone else. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #61

He asked for proof of supporters of a certain candidate saying certain things and I provided it. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #71

Uh ... ok. Sure. Missed that post. But the poster sounds like a real asshole if he called someone a GoneFishin Jul 2015 #75

Again, calling out posters by name is prohibited DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #91

Would you pm me that link please? okasha Jul 2015 #145

Woohoo, Bravenak! Let's see how they react to this. brush Jul 2015 #15

It won't stop. They know better than us what we need. Now if only they could shut us up. bravenak Jul 2015 #20

I saw that disgusting comment hootinholler Jul 2015 #23

If he's being rat fucked, it's by his own people. bravenak Jul 2015 #28

Guess who will get the blame should Sanders go down? Number23 Jul 2015 #47

I am just about ready to Dexter somebody. bravenak Jul 2015 #52

guess what I'll wear that blame with heaven05 Jul 2015 #121

I will vote for whoever the Dem nom is but I agree, Sanders supporters have always, ALWAYS been Number23 Jul 2015 #147

Thank you Thank you Thank you sheshe2 Jul 2015 #181

Exactly. 100% agreed Number23 Jul 2015 #184

every word, true heaven05 Jul 2015 #207

From what I've see so far it's Hillary that will get the blame. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #127

Jeopardy question. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #161

The tone deaf Bernie supporters. Cha Jul 2015 #192

Assuming you know who Lee Atwater was hootinholler Jul 2015 #86

Some black people are adopted or have white parents raising them. bravenak Jul 2015 #89

"some black people are adopted or have white parents raising them" shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #139

He had to connect with the black community. bravenak Jul 2015 #153

He had to connect with the white community shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #171

I have no clue what you are talking about. bravenak Jul 2015 #174

COMPLETE....wait for it.... heaven05 Jul 2015 #214

I know who atwater is/was heaven05 Jul 2015 #212

"I try to get white men to read black publications." passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #105

There are always agent provacateurs when there is money and power at stake. The only GoneFishin Jul 2015 #40

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #224

+1,000 greatauntoftriplets Jul 2015 #27

Sure, Bernie's supporters (including myself) are really evil--that point has been made many times. Vattel Jul 2015 #38

Lol! bravenak Jul 2015 #56

some of bernie supporters are, but I'm just agreeing with you heaven05 Jul 2015 #90

I hear your anger. LWolf Jul 2015 #53

I think that Bernie is hitting his stride and his campaign is learning to do better. bravenak Jul 2015 #62

I think I agree about LWolf Jul 2015 #87

If that happens, will you consider supporting Bernie again? DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #138

Yes. I will. bravenak Jul 2015 #157

I don't tweet. I don't read tweets. This is anecdotal information I'm not involved with. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #68

Black folks tweet. We love twitter. Have multiple accounts. It's a thing we love like instagram. bravenak Jul 2015 #80

I care about the oligarchy and their boot on the neck of the 99%. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #102

If it makes you feel any better shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #146

I thought we were through with this for now.. but they keep popping up.. Cha Jul 2015 #186

All I can say is, Bernie's the guy running, not his supporters. Beartracks Jul 2015 #98

and I say thank god. heaven05 Jul 2015 #107

It seems you are so full of your own hate V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #126

Please... sheshe2 Jul 2015 #191

you said it heaven05 Jul 2015 #209

Bernie's evil fans drove you off the plantation? pa28 Jul 2015 #116

Winning hearts and minds one at a time, by patronizing then! DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #125

Some hearts and minds can't be won with sincerity. Hyperbole like that should be mocked. pa28 Jul 2015 #130

One man's hyperbole is another man's truth./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #131

If it's the truth I hope he's got a place to stay tonight. pa28 Jul 2015 #132

It is. I'm following the drinking gourd as we speak. bravenak Jul 2015 #155

Be safe Bravenak. I've posted a few people you might want to watch out for. pa28 Jul 2015 #158

I never called those peope evil. Just the evil fans. bravenak Jul 2015 #159

I believe you. Twitter can be like a trip through the sewer in a glass bottomed boat. pa28 Jul 2015 #162

Bernie went to SCLC today and spoke BainsBane Jul 2015 #189

It infuritates me, too. there is no rhyme or reason. Cha Jul 2015 #195

So why did you just give them another target? Hmmm? delrem Jul 2015 #21

I wonder who egged on Nat Turner... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #24

Poor choice of words hootinholler Jul 2015 #39

No, it wouldn't. okasha Jul 2015 #154

Probably the same people who egged on okasha Jul 2015 #152

It's rat-fucking in the best KKKarl Rove tradition hifiguy Jul 2015 #25

This post is satire, right? kwassa Jul 2015 #70

Not at all. hifiguy Jul 2015 #73

Well, I think it's funny. kwassa Jul 2015 #77

You're conflating different things. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #206

A couple of corrections for the sake of accuracy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #220

Exactly. Absolutely no one on DU has said that Bernie is a racist. I have never seen that. stevenleser Jul 2015 #223

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #226

That's why I said Hillary supporters and not PoC. I don't simply interchange the two. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #233

Sorry ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #235

I've noticed, heh. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #236

Black Lives Matter on Wikipedia udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #30

Maybe because they died for the sin of having a bit more melanin than some DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #32

BLM says it's a movement udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #41

It's also about black lives. Hence the name. bravenak Jul 2015 #85

I agree n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #92

from the beginning, the movement has been about vigilante killings as well as police killings JustinL Jul 2015 #169

That's not what the wiki description says and that is what's confusing udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #173

I suspect it is a political operation and cooperation. silvershadow Jul 2015 #33

I don't care. the_sly_pig Jul 2015 #35

You and I are not facing genocide by cop... we need more protests... MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #37

I'm totally on board with that! n/t hootinholler Jul 2015 #42

I knew you would be, and I think 99% of DU is also on board. MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #45

Bernie has done his job for 50 years V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #46

I think it's a mistake to see that as "one group's interests", just as it's a mistake winter is coming Jul 2015 #55

SOS heaven05 Jul 2015 #65

"the BLM movement is rejecting the candidate that is best equipped to advance their cause" Triana Jul 2015 #66

They didn't reject heaven05 Jul 2015 #74

Whooooooosh Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #72

This thread is an epic example... Adrahil Jul 2015 #95

OMG, Bobbie Jo, I had not seen this: freshwest Jul 2015 #160

Some of the things I've read Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #164

Mahalo, Bobbi Jo! Putting that right in my journal. Cha Jul 2015 #197

Hoo boy, you are indeed confused. PBass Jul 2015 #81

Someone had a race problem and accused someone else who didn't of having one RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #88

Hillary Clinton does not have a "race problem" --- PBass Jul 2015 #115

She definitely has in the past. Perhaps she's "evolved." RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #134

Weak sauce. Just talking about race (in this case, demographic support) PBass Jul 2015 #136

She was speaking to a predominantly white audience in West Virginia. RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #141

it sure sounds like blacks are not included in the class of "hard-working Americans" JustinL Jul 2015 #170

40 recommends (and counting) means 40 delusional Bernie supporters PBass Jul 2015 #94

Now up to 84.. they don't get it.. that's okay. Sounds like Bernie is getting it and that's what's Cha Jul 2015 #199

BLM underestimated the power of their action, maybe. snort Jul 2015 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jul 2015 #112

How about this? RandySF Jul 2015 #120

I'm tired. I proudly admit I support 840high Jul 2015 #135

Middle-aged white woman agrees. joanbarnes Jul 2015 #143

Senator Sanders positions on the issues compel HRC supporters to explain Babel_17 Jul 2015 #163

The important thing is, the truth came out, Zorra Jul 2015 #177

Reality means nothing to you, does it? BainsBane Jul 2015 #185

What color is the sky, in your world? shenmue Jul 2015 #193

Bernt Rose! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #221

I feel the big loser in all of this is ... the democratic party itself PFunk Jul 2015 #179

I understand this phenomenon completely. Maedhros Jul 2015 #227

The Democratic Party doesn't just ignore Black People after the election. bvar22 Jul 2015 #240

Hillary's huge gaffe was NOT treated the same way by the SAME PEOPLE. So when sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #182

Exactamente. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #198

+1 GoneFishin Jul 2015 #215

As always, you speak wisdom. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #228

"I think it could mean that the BLM movement is rejecting the candidate ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #200

Try listening to Sanders and others. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #208

The suggestion that Black Lives Matter are pawns... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #216

You see that, too? +1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #222

That was the old chestnut, that Martin was in cahoots with the communists. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #241

I don't think they're pawns, but that their message has been co-opted Maedhros Jul 2015 #229

Im glad i found this post V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #230

Your rambling makes sense to me, kacekwl Jul 2015 #238

I've generally stayed out of these discussions Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #243

I'm sure that Bernie Sanders supports fully the rights of people of color. yardwork Jul 2015 #246