2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The one thing that will stop Bernie Sanders.....his supporters [View all]Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I pointed out her speech, not the vote. Kerry made no such speech. Please stick to what I posted. The very fact that you must switch to the vote when the topic was her speech proves that it is indefensible.
#3) So she was lying to us for her own political gain? I don't see that as a reason to support her. Bernie has been supporting marriage equality for a very long time and he has been winning. You can go ahead and say that others were wrong too (as you did with Kerry) but that doesn't change the fact that she was wrong.
#2 + #1 ) Her arrogant response about not answering a question until she becomes President is unforgivable. Voters deserve to know where she stands on these things. You don't need to know the details of the TPP to be against it. This is like wondering about the wallpaper in a condemned building. It doesn't matter. The TPP should be opposed.
If you really care about how electable a candidate is then you need to seriously consider that the email scandal will blow up during the general and destroy her campaign. I think it is not much of an issue, but with her being ~20 points upside down on trustworthy rating, that 10% sample of her emails that had information classified as Secret could be a real problem.
Or if not the email scandal, then the speaking fees from Swiss banks. Or other donations to the Clinton Foundation. Or something else we don't know about yet.
It isn't "her turn" and to assume it is seems foolish. She has only won 2 elections in her life and they were both the New York Senate elections. Most any well funded (D) could have won those. I really don't see her being up to the campaign that is ahead of her if she is the nominee.