2016 Postmortem

NowSam

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61. Even without the email thing what is the appeal of HRC? Seriously

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:14 PM

Aug 2015

I am sorry if this aggravates but I have to ask: Her voting record - has it been consistently in accordance with your values? If so, which issues? Is she a dynamic, inspiring leader? If so how?

I see Bernie's record and see someone who has always voted in the best interests of the people. He speaks truth, off the cuff, doesn't require polling or gauge the political winds before speaking on any issue.

I just don't see the appeal at all of HRC. I am so sorry if this aggravates her fans.

My vote would have nothing to do with the email thing at all. Just on the issues and who I think has our back as a nation. So you know its Bernie for me.

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At this point, it doesn't matter if Hillary is or is not guilty of security breaches, [View all] Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 OP

Your concern is noted. Metric System Aug 2015 #1

Indeed...the "give it up because folks can not see through so many lies and smears" is a special "concern"! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #7

A lot of energy spent LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #8

Voters who can remember the 90's will avoid her like the plague tularetom Aug 2015 #2

Which is how she lost to Obama the first time -- Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #9

...and yet she got as many Primary votes as the "baggage free" Barack Obama brooklynite Aug 2015 #44

Obama sandbagged it toward the end of the primaries.. frylock Aug 2015 #47

So your explanation is that Obama allowed millions of Clinton votes to go unchallenged? brooklynite Aug 2015 #52

Correct. And then, of course, there was MI and FL.. frylock Aug 2015 #53

A reminder that Florida and Michigan were discounted and Clinton STILL got as many votes... brooklynite Aug 2015 #69

and still lost. frylock Aug 2015 #114

90s had jack to do with her losing - October 11, 2002 Cosmocat Aug 2015 #78

In a nutshell, that's the bottom-line. She's can't be the D candidate under these circumstances. leveymg Aug 2015 #117

In 2008, we KNEW who Hillary was, bvar22 Aug 2015 #198

Yes. In some respects, votes FOR Obama were actually votes AGAINST Hillary RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #202

My vote for OBama waqs indeed... bvar22 Aug 2015 #204

I remember the 90s and voted for Bill Clinton 4 times counting primaries. LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #11

I'm half as guilty as you, I only voted for disbarred lawyer Bill Clinton twice tularetom Aug 2015 #20

Constant baggage and I'm tired of her. 840high Aug 2015 #54

It does matter. DURHAM D Aug 2015 #3

I think you and Hillary's other supporters missed the entire point Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #10

Facts and fighting back is what matters. DURHAM D Aug 2015 #16

Tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #18

Facts and fighting back are what matters???? bvar22 Aug 2015 #199

And our point is that Republicans will go after whoever is the nominee. It's delusional to think Metric System Aug 2015 #21

But with Hillary they have abundant ammunition Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #25

All I know is that the Clintons are still standing after years of "scandals." They are battle-tested Metric System Aug 2015 #40

And I know that there is such a thing as critial mass Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #43

So true Tommy2Tone Aug 2015 #158

Her lead is with Democrats... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #164

Slipping with Dems? Tommy2Tone Aug 2015 #175

I have no idea where you are getting that number from. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #178

I agree and also... cannabis_flower Aug 2015 #27

The cloth comment made her look stupid. 840high Aug 2015 #56

It should matter. Agschmid Aug 2015 #93

I do stand on my morals. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #97

Everyone "evolved" on marriage equality, and to pretend otherwise is rediculous. Agschmid Aug 2015 #119

When did Bernie Sanders ever state, Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #127

Everyone evolved on that issue. Agschmid Aug 2015 #130

Some of us didn't have to evolve Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #142

I call bullshit. Agschmid Aug 2015 #144

I've ALWAYS been for marriage equality. Always. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #145

No. Agschmid Aug 2015 #146

Bullshit indeed. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #147

That is bullshit. I never needed to "evolve" on marriage equality. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #150

When were you born? Control-Z Aug 2015 #157

1955 Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #161

I don't think that is true. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #149

I'm gay. Agschmid Aug 2015 #155

You weren't always for marriage equality? Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #163

No, not everyone evolved. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #165

Yes everyone. Agschmid Aug 2015 #169

Nope! nt malokvale77 Aug 2015 #173

I'm glad you've been able to have a life that was that simple. Agschmid Aug 2015 #188

Yes it has been pretty simple. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #190

I hear you and appreciate your comments. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #195

Thank you. Agschmid Aug 2015 #196

Lyndon Johnson once said he wanted to accuse his opponent of f***ing pigs. When tblue37 Aug 2015 #131

Yes and I hope her campaign pulls all the stops to nip this in the bud. Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #137

Nonsense...I hear your ludicrous and illogical "point" a lot from certain "supporters"..."forget they are all lies and smears, there are too many to fight"? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #4

Amen musiclawyer Aug 2015 #5

True, Bernie has "thimble size baggage". Trouble is oasis Aug 2015 #73

You claim the fact that Bernie can not be bought is a NEGATIVE? That is the problem Vincardog Aug 2015 #128

To most readers, "having a thimble sized war chest" means oasis Aug 2015 #133

I stand ready to help Bernie do just that. Why not join the revolution and Vincardog Aug 2015 #134

All the enthusiasm in the world is no match for oasis Aug 2015 #135

Enjoy the ride when the tsunamie hits you. Vincardog Aug 2015 #136

When you roll with the Clintons it's oasis Aug 2015 #138

So, you concede that dollars -- not votes -- win elections? RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #203

Don't matter what you or I think, the Citizen's United oasis Aug 2015 #206

Oh, I see. The Devil made her do it. RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #208

You don't buy it? Ha! oasis Aug 2015 #212

Over a year to the election HassleCat Aug 2015 #6

The difference between Benghazi and the email issues Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #14

I care little about the email scandal bigwillq Aug 2015 #12

And THAT"S what really matters. That you don't like her... LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #15

I don't like Hillary. bigwillq Aug 2015 #19

Maybe you guys who like her... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #166

I care about the email scandal only in how Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #17

Sure. You're just interested in other people's interest. randome Aug 2015 #31

I find it amusing that someone Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #33

Quick! Better tell Tom Harkin... LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #13

LOL...an endorsement from Tom (Mr Monsanto) Harkin????? bvar22 Aug 2015 #118

He is Iowa's favorite son. And that probably matters to Iowa voters and the caucuses. LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #132

Why don't I open another thread? bvar22 Aug 2015 #201

Does Harkin's endorsement help Hillary in Iowa? LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #209

This place is full of Chicken Little posts. Lisa D Aug 2015 #22

Chicken Liittle had no hidden agenda. oasis Aug 2015 #65

Would you mind fixing the typo in your post title? winter is coming Aug 2015 #23

LOL! Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #26

She will not draw the marginalized voters hootinholler Aug 2015 #24

You nailed it. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #103

No R is going to cross for Hillary hootinholler Aug 2015 #109

Right here... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #171

rw smear rewarded with unelectability? lets just roll over in a submissive pee all over ourselves. seabeyond Aug 2015 #28

Doubt about Hillary's electability in the general Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #35

no. right here on du, a dmeocratic oard, we are being told we are suppose to dump our democratic seabeyond Aug 2015 #60

Who said anything about dumping? Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #63

"I'm saying she's radioactive at this point." lol, well. hm. radioactive? i dunno, something radio seabeyond Aug 2015 #66

Absolutely no idea Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #68

"63. Who said anything about dumping?" you. she is after all. radioactive. seabeyond Aug 2015 #96

Direct quote. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #98

oh my god.... you actually made me laugh. ok. whatever seabeyond Aug 2015 #99

Has anybody ever... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #176

What's a dmeocratic oard? BeanMusical Aug 2015 #90

brilliant. you took me down.... seabeyond Aug 2015 #92

Not as brilliant as your word salad. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #94

blah blah blah seabeyond Aug 2015 #95

heh Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #141

all criticism of Hillary is a right wing smear, misogyny, or just 'Hillary-Hate'(tm) HFRN Aug 2015 #104

Yeah... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #180

Fine - you tell me what political spectrum Clinton will attract in the GE short circuit Aug 2015 #115

"what political spectrum Clinton will attract in the GE" L0oniX Aug 2015 #214

She murdered Vince Foster, too. We must never forget. randome Aug 2015 #29

You're the only one bringing up Vince Foster. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #36

I thought of Vince Foster independently. Anyone who was awake back then pnwmom Aug 2015 #84

But yet... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #183

It shows the depths to which the haters will sink, pnwmom Aug 2015 #185

OK malokvale77 Aug 2015 #187

She'd be a lame duck nominee. The RW crazies will come out in droves, Zorra Aug 2015 #30

I don't think it's just Hillary fatigue, it's Clinton/Bush fatigue. Nor is it libdem4life Aug 2015 #32

So let's say you are correct and she drops out tomorrow dsc Aug 2015 #34

I never suggested she drop out. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #39

Newsflash Clinton didn't have that history either dsc Aug 2015 #46

Hillary brings baggage. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #48

and again as sure as the sun rises in the east dsc Aug 2015 #57

And again you avoid the key word here and that is "baggage." Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #58

well Dean had baggage we were assured dsc Aug 2015 #59

Dean was taken out by the Democrats. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #62

No, you mis-remember. Kerry was a war hero BuelahWitch Aug 2015 #140

It's the perception of dishonesty and arrogance that counts. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #37

. . . Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #41

A great writer and performer of songs for the discerning. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #50

Indeed. nt malokvale77 Aug 2015 #186

Correct pinebox Aug 2015 #38

When did she vote against the minimum wage? OKNancy Aug 2015 #42

She also voted against the Bush Tax Cuts for the 1% brooklynite Aug 2015 #45

Hillary wil be the Dem nominee: Sanders is not Dem: Dem's cannot trust him or his campaign lewebley3 Aug 2015 #49

The People Trust Bernie - The Party Does Not cantbeserious Aug 2015 #79

I trust Sanders more MoveIt Aug 2015 #113

Because... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #189

With a choice of the two, Hillary or Bernie, I prefer a mover and shaker, one who has the Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #51

You do know that Congress' approval ratings Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #55

Sure do, the approval ratings is about Bernie also, don't think I would push this issue. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #102

Actually, Bernie's individual ratings are much better than Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #105

He is a part of a low rated congress, not a feature I would promote. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #107

You were the one promoting Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #108

Even without the email thing what is the appeal of HRC? Seriously NowSam Aug 2015 #61

The question of the year Doctor_J Aug 2015 #64

Right? Because her votes in the Senate served their agenda NowSam Aug 2015 #67

A pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-environment, pro-immigration, anti-Bush Tax Cuts Democrat? brooklynite Aug 2015 #70

Bernie is all of those things and his votes on the issues that have impacted the world NowSam Aug 2015 #72

Because if Bernie loses, then I get none of those values... brooklynite Aug 2015 #74

Well I sure don't think HRC is inevitable NowSam Aug 2015 #110

"I think he can win" brooklynite Aug 2015 #111

If you believed he could win would you support Bernie instead of HRC? NowSam Aug 2015 #116

In 2008 I switched from Clinton to Obama when I became convinced HE could win... brooklynite Aug 2015 #121

Why have an election at all? tularetom Aug 2015 #153

No, but thanks for your steteotypes... brooklynite Aug 2015 #181

Yeah god forbid anybody would ever vote for a (gasp) LEFTIST!! tularetom Aug 2015 #191

Such language! brooklynite Aug 2015 #192

We should cower before the RW and GOP apparently. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #71

Well, if that's what you feel you must do. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #75

Except I'm not the one recommedning that course of action. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #77

Exactly where did I say that? Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #87

You're the one saying her campaign has already been lost. pnwmom Aug 2015 #85

I'm not advocating anything. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #91

You're stating your opinion, which is not obvious pnwmom Aug 2015 #101

I am sure you will think this is a valid POV Cosmocat Aug 2015 #76

He has Communist connections! pnwmom Aug 2015 #88

Yep Cosmocat Aug 2015 #197

Fully agree. SoapBox Aug 2015 #80

The Clintons have weathered 20+ years of swiftboating. oasis Aug 2015 #81

Hmmm...just like Teflon Ron! SoapBox Aug 2015 #86

The media has fueled itself in its dislike for the Clintons. oasis Aug 2015 #100

I have to disagree. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #82

It has nothing to do with "allowing" Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #89

Yeah, it does matter. She's already survived accusations of murdering Vince Foster, pnwmom Aug 2015 #83

She sold out tech workers HFRN Aug 2015 #106

Not surprised NowSam Aug 2015 #112

She may have violated the Federal Records Act and FOIA. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #120

Are you implying that "they" would assassinate Bernie Sanders? brooklynite Aug 2015 #122

No, I'm saying she implied that in '08. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #123

And who made THAT implication? brooklynite Aug 2015 #124

She did. <nt> AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #125

Care to show us the evidence? brooklynite Aug 2015 #126

Her words. I posted the video above. <nt> AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #139

I gave the printed link, not sure if it matters. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #152

"Three things cannot be long hidden, AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #154

Here ya go - Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #151

Nice.... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #174

I wish we could reach some agreement here. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #194

Point to the comment where she thought Obama would be assasinated brooklynite Aug 2015 #182

Did she point blank say it? Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #193

The only person you are kidding is yourself FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #207

Holy. Shit. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #167

She's a peach! AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #168

God, I completely forgot about THAT little gem!!! tularetom Aug 2015 #156

My regard for her was irreparably damaged by that primary. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #159

You got that right, the whole primary was a CF for her tularetom Aug 2015 #162

As a lifelong Democrat TeddyR Aug 2015 #129

Facts never mattered to Hillary bashers, so this OP is not the least bit surprising. DanTex Aug 2015 #143

What facts did the OP get wrong here? TeddyR Aug 2015 #148

The fact that they are'nt towing the official party line . TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #172

Hillary Clinton will never be president. Let's hope, for our sake, morningfog Aug 2015 #160

Bernie Sanders will never be President. See? Opinions are like assholes... Metric System Aug 2015 #170

Indeed. Point to any evidence that Sanders has a BETTER chance than Climton. brooklynite Aug 2015 #184

So what you're saying is that we have to let the media and the GOPers pick our candidates Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #177

Don't stop...belieeeeevin'! alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #179

I wish they could have a GD-P forum all year. Rex Aug 2015 #200

Yup, that is what happened with Ayres and Reverend Wright in regard to Obama.... Oh wait, that still_one Aug 2015 #205

Plain and simple Server Gate is Hillary's Monica Lewinsky moment right now d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #210

If it is already over, where is the victory party? Who won on the Republican side (I assume not Bush Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #211

You Third-Wayin', Authoritarian Fascist! randome Aug 2015 #213