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malokvale77

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At this point, it doesn't matter if Hillary is or is not guilty of security breaches, [View all] Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 OP

Your concern is noted. Metric System Aug 2015 #1

Indeed...the "give it up because folks can not see through so many lies and smears" is a special "concern"! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #7

A lot of energy spent LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #8

Voters who can remember the 90's will avoid her like the plague tularetom Aug 2015 #2

Which is how she lost to Obama the first time -- Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #9

...and yet she got as many Primary votes as the "baggage free" Barack Obama brooklynite Aug 2015 #44

Obama sandbagged it toward the end of the primaries.. frylock Aug 2015 #47

So your explanation is that Obama allowed millions of Clinton votes to go unchallenged? brooklynite Aug 2015 #52

Correct. And then, of course, there was MI and FL.. frylock Aug 2015 #53

A reminder that Florida and Michigan were discounted and Clinton STILL got as many votes... brooklynite Aug 2015 #69

and still lost. frylock Aug 2015 #114

90s had jack to do with her losing - October 11, 2002 Cosmocat Aug 2015 #78

In a nutshell, that's the bottom-line. She's can't be the D candidate under these circumstances. leveymg Aug 2015 #117

In 2008, we KNEW who Hillary was, bvar22 Aug 2015 #198

Yes. In some respects, votes FOR Obama were actually votes AGAINST Hillary RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #202

My vote for OBama waqs indeed... bvar22 Aug 2015 #204

I remember the 90s and voted for Bill Clinton 4 times counting primaries. LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #11

I'm half as guilty as you, I only voted for disbarred lawyer Bill Clinton twice tularetom Aug 2015 #20

Constant baggage and I'm tired of her. 840high Aug 2015 #54

It does matter. DURHAM D Aug 2015 #3

I think you and Hillary's other supporters missed the entire point Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #10

Facts and fighting back is what matters. DURHAM D Aug 2015 #16

Tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #18

Facts and fighting back are what matters???? bvar22 Aug 2015 #199

And our point is that Republicans will go after whoever is the nominee. It's delusional to think Metric System Aug 2015 #21

But with Hillary they have abundant ammunition Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #25

All I know is that the Clintons are still standing after years of "scandals." They are battle-tested Metric System Aug 2015 #40

And I know that there is such a thing as critial mass Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #43

So true Tommy2Tone Aug 2015 #158

Her lead is with Democrats... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #164

Slipping with Dems? Tommy2Tone Aug 2015 #175

I have no idea where you are getting that number from. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #178

I agree and also... cannabis_flower Aug 2015 #27

The cloth comment made her look stupid. 840high Aug 2015 #56

It should matter. Agschmid Aug 2015 #93

I do stand on my morals. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #97

Everyone "evolved" on marriage equality, and to pretend otherwise is rediculous. Agschmid Aug 2015 #119

When did Bernie Sanders ever state, Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #127

Everyone evolved on that issue. Agschmid Aug 2015 #130

Some of us didn't have to evolve Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #142

I call bullshit. Agschmid Aug 2015 #144

I've ALWAYS been for marriage equality. Always. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #145

No. Agschmid Aug 2015 #146

Bullshit indeed. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #147

That is bullshit. I never needed to "evolve" on marriage equality. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #150

When were you born? Control-Z Aug 2015 #157

1955 Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #161

I don't think that is true. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #149

I'm gay. Agschmid Aug 2015 #155

You weren't always for marriage equality? Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #163

No, not everyone evolved. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #165

Yes everyone. Agschmid Aug 2015 #169

Nope! nt malokvale77 Aug 2015 #173

I'm glad you've been able to have a life that was that simple. Agschmid Aug 2015 #188

Yes it has been pretty simple. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #190

I hear you and appreciate your comments. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #195

Thank you. Agschmid Aug 2015 #196

Lyndon Johnson once said he wanted to accuse his opponent of f***ing pigs. When tblue37 Aug 2015 #131

Yes and I hope her campaign pulls all the stops to nip this in the bud. Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #137

Nonsense...I hear your ludicrous and illogical "point" a lot from certain "supporters"..."forget they are all lies and smears, there are too many to fight"? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #4

Amen musiclawyer Aug 2015 #5

True, Bernie has "thimble size baggage". Trouble is oasis Aug 2015 #73

You claim the fact that Bernie can not be bought is a NEGATIVE? That is the problem Vincardog Aug 2015 #128

To most readers, "having a thimble sized war chest" means oasis Aug 2015 #133

I stand ready to help Bernie do just that. Why not join the revolution and Vincardog Aug 2015 #134

All the enthusiasm in the world is no match for oasis Aug 2015 #135

Enjoy the ride when the tsunamie hits you. Vincardog Aug 2015 #136

When you roll with the Clintons it's oasis Aug 2015 #138

So, you concede that dollars -- not votes -- win elections? RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #203

Don't matter what you or I think, the Citizen's United oasis Aug 2015 #206

Oh, I see. The Devil made her do it. RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #208

You don't buy it? Ha! oasis Aug 2015 #212

Over a year to the election HassleCat Aug 2015 #6

The difference between Benghazi and the email issues Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #14

I care little about the email scandal bigwillq Aug 2015 #12

And THAT"S what really matters. That you don't like her... LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #15

I don't like Hillary. bigwillq Aug 2015 #19

Maybe you guys who like her... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #166

I care about the email scandal only in how Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #17

Sure. You're just interested in other people's interest. randome Aug 2015 #31

I find it amusing that someone Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #33

Quick! Better tell Tom Harkin... LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #13

LOL...an endorsement from Tom (Mr Monsanto) Harkin????? bvar22 Aug 2015 #118

He is Iowa's favorite son. And that probably matters to Iowa voters and the caucuses. LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #132

Why don't I open another thread? bvar22 Aug 2015 #201

Does Harkin's endorsement help Hillary in Iowa? LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #209

This place is full of Chicken Little posts. Lisa D Aug 2015 #22

Chicken Liittle had no hidden agenda. oasis Aug 2015 #65

Would you mind fixing the typo in your post title? winter is coming Aug 2015 #23

LOL! Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #26

She will not draw the marginalized voters hootinholler Aug 2015 #24

You nailed it. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #103

No R is going to cross for Hillary hootinholler Aug 2015 #109

Right here... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #171

rw smear rewarded with unelectability? lets just roll over in a submissive pee all over ourselves. seabeyond Aug 2015 #28

Doubt about Hillary's electability in the general Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #35

no. right here on du, a dmeocratic oard, we are being told we are suppose to dump our democratic seabeyond Aug 2015 #60

Who said anything about dumping? Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #63

"I'm saying she's radioactive at this point." lol, well. hm. radioactive? i dunno, something radio seabeyond Aug 2015 #66

Absolutely no idea Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #68

"63. Who said anything about dumping?" you. she is after all. radioactive. seabeyond Aug 2015 #96

Direct quote. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #98

oh my god.... you actually made me laugh. ok. whatever seabeyond Aug 2015 #99

Has anybody ever... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #176

What's a dmeocratic oard? BeanMusical Aug 2015 #90

brilliant. you took me down.... seabeyond Aug 2015 #92

Not as brilliant as your word salad. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #94

blah blah blah seabeyond Aug 2015 #95

heh Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #141

all criticism of Hillary is a right wing smear, misogyny, or just 'Hillary-Hate'(tm) HFRN Aug 2015 #104

Yeah... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #180

Fine - you tell me what political spectrum Clinton will attract in the GE short circuit Aug 2015 #115

"what political spectrum Clinton will attract in the GE" L0oniX Aug 2015 #214

She murdered Vince Foster, too. We must never forget. randome Aug 2015 #29

You're the only one bringing up Vince Foster. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #36

I thought of Vince Foster independently. Anyone who was awake back then pnwmom Aug 2015 #84

But yet... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #183

It shows the depths to which the haters will sink, pnwmom Aug 2015 #185

OK malokvale77 Aug 2015 #187

She'd be a lame duck nominee. The RW crazies will come out in droves, Zorra Aug 2015 #30

I don't think it's just Hillary fatigue, it's Clinton/Bush fatigue. Nor is it libdem4life Aug 2015 #32

So let's say you are correct and she drops out tomorrow dsc Aug 2015 #34

I never suggested she drop out. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #39

Newsflash Clinton didn't have that history either dsc Aug 2015 #46

Hillary brings baggage. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #48

and again as sure as the sun rises in the east dsc Aug 2015 #57

And again you avoid the key word here and that is "baggage." Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #58

well Dean had baggage we were assured dsc Aug 2015 #59

Dean was taken out by the Democrats. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #62

No, you mis-remember. Kerry was a war hero BuelahWitch Aug 2015 #140

It's the perception of dishonesty and arrogance that counts. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #37

. . . Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #41

A great writer and performer of songs for the discerning. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #50

Indeed. nt malokvale77 Aug 2015 #186

Correct pinebox Aug 2015 #38

When did she vote against the minimum wage? OKNancy Aug 2015 #42

She also voted against the Bush Tax Cuts for the 1% brooklynite Aug 2015 #45

Hillary wil be the Dem nominee: Sanders is not Dem: Dem's cannot trust him or his campaign lewebley3 Aug 2015 #49

The People Trust Bernie - The Party Does Not cantbeserious Aug 2015 #79

I trust Sanders more MoveIt Aug 2015 #113

Because... malokvale77 Aug 2015 #189

With a choice of the two, Hillary or Bernie, I prefer a mover and shaker, one who has the Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #51

You do know that Congress' approval ratings Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #55

Sure do, the approval ratings is about Bernie also, don't think I would push this issue. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #102

Actually, Bernie's individual ratings are much better than Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #105

He is a part of a low rated congress, not a feature I would promote. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #107

You were the one promoting Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #108

Even without the email thing what is the appeal of HRC? Seriously NowSam Aug 2015 #61

The question of the year Doctor_J Aug 2015 #64

Right? Because her votes in the Senate served their agenda NowSam Aug 2015 #67

A pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-environment, pro-immigration, anti-Bush Tax Cuts Democrat? brooklynite Aug 2015 #70

Bernie is all of those things and his votes on the issues that have impacted the world NowSam Aug 2015 #72

Because if Bernie loses, then I get none of those values... brooklynite Aug 2015 #74

Well I sure don't think HRC is inevitable NowSam Aug 2015 #110

"I think he can win" brooklynite Aug 2015 #111

If you believed he could win would you support Bernie instead of HRC? NowSam Aug 2015 #116

In 2008 I switched from Clinton to Obama when I became convinced HE could win... brooklynite Aug 2015 #121

Why have an election at all? tularetom Aug 2015 #153

No, but thanks for your steteotypes... brooklynite Aug 2015 #181

Yeah god forbid anybody would ever vote for a (gasp) LEFTIST!! tularetom Aug 2015 #191

Such language! brooklynite Aug 2015 #192

We should cower before the RW and GOP apparently. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #71

Well, if that's what you feel you must do. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #75

Except I'm not the one recommedning that course of action. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #77

Exactly where did I say that? Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #87

You're the one saying her campaign has already been lost. pnwmom Aug 2015 #85

I'm not advocating anything. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #91

You're stating your opinion, which is not obvious pnwmom Aug 2015 #101

I am sure you will think this is a valid POV Cosmocat Aug 2015 #76

He has Communist connections! pnwmom Aug 2015 #88

Yep Cosmocat Aug 2015 #197

Fully agree. SoapBox Aug 2015 #80

The Clintons have weathered 20+ years of swiftboating. oasis Aug 2015 #81

Hmmm...just like Teflon Ron! SoapBox Aug 2015 #86

The media has fueled itself in its dislike for the Clintons. oasis Aug 2015 #100

I have to disagree. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #82

It has nothing to do with "allowing" Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #89

Yeah, it does matter. She's already survived accusations of murdering Vince Foster, pnwmom Aug 2015 #83

She sold out tech workers HFRN Aug 2015 #106

Not surprised NowSam Aug 2015 #112

She may have violated the Federal Records Act and FOIA. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #120

Are you implying that "they" would assassinate Bernie Sanders? brooklynite Aug 2015 #122

No, I'm saying she implied that in '08. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #123

And who made THAT implication? brooklynite Aug 2015 #124

She did. <nt> AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #125

Care to show us the evidence? brooklynite Aug 2015 #126

Her words. I posted the video above. <nt> AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #139

I gave the printed link, not sure if it matters. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #152

"Three things cannot be long hidden, AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #154

Here ya go - Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #151

Nice.... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #174

I wish we could reach some agreement here. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #194

Point to the comment where she thought Obama would be assasinated brooklynite Aug 2015 #182

Did she point blank say it? Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #193

The only person you are kidding is yourself FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #207

Holy. Shit. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #167

She's a peach! AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #168

God, I completely forgot about THAT little gem!!! tularetom Aug 2015 #156

My regard for her was irreparably damaged by that primary. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #159

You got that right, the whole primary was a CF for her tularetom Aug 2015 #162

As a lifelong Democrat TeddyR Aug 2015 #129

Facts never mattered to Hillary bashers, so this OP is not the least bit surprising. DanTex Aug 2015 #143

What facts did the OP get wrong here? TeddyR Aug 2015 #148

The fact that they are'nt towing the official party line . TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #172

Hillary Clinton will never be president. Let's hope, for our sake, morningfog Aug 2015 #160

Bernie Sanders will never be President. See? Opinions are like assholes... Metric System Aug 2015 #170

Indeed. Point to any evidence that Sanders has a BETTER chance than Climton. brooklynite Aug 2015 #184

So what you're saying is that we have to let the media and the GOPers pick our candidates Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #177

Don't stop...belieeeeevin'! alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #179

I wish they could have a GD-P forum all year. Rex Aug 2015 #200

Yup, that is what happened with Ayres and Reverend Wright in regard to Obama.... Oh wait, that still_one Aug 2015 #205

Plain and simple Server Gate is Hillary's Monica Lewinsky moment right now d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #210

If it is already over, where is the victory party? Who won on the Republican side (I assume not Bush Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #211

You Third-Wayin', Authoritarian Fascist! randome Aug 2015 #213