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2016 Postmortem

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JDPriestly

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17. Maybe instead of complaining about the negative things that the anti-Hillary crowd says
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 05:11 AM
Sep 2015

about Hillary, one of the Hillary fans could say something positive about her like that she has held consistently progressive/liberal opinions since the beginning of her career on issues like LGBT marriage, trade, health care, etc.

Or that her policy in Syria has saved many lives?

Or how about something positive about her stance on the minimum wage or child care or equal pay for women?

The problem for the Hillary supporters is that on nearly every issue on which Hillary is good, Bernie is better.

It's a big problem.

But Hillary does have name recognition and the DLC machine behind her. Maybe that is what the Hillary supporters could write about on DU -- her superior name recognition and her support in the DLC and among corporate and very wealthy donors.

Cause those are her strong points.

When it comes to other issues, Bernie is in the lead.

Sorry, McCamy. You are a wonderful DUer. We all love you. But Hillary has to show us that she stands up for all Americans, that her ideas and her history are better than Bernie's. Short of that, it isn't anything personal, but she is not going to be our first choice as a candidate.

The TPP, the XL pipeline, negotiated on her watch. There is a serious problem with her candidacy and it isn't a personal vendetta on the part of Bernie fans. It's Hillary's own problem.

The people who point out the weaknesses in Hillary's stances and history are not to be accused. They are simply being honest. And if Bernie were not such a strong candidate, who knows, maybe we would all support Hillary?

But Bernie is just better.

Sorry. I appreciate the effort to defend Hillary. Loyalty is a wonderful virtue.

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Bernie Wept [View all] McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 OP
What filth. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #1
LOL. Bad mischaracterizations. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #2
You nailed it. Bernie likes Hillary way more than his supporters do. He should like her, too. MADem Sep 2015 #3
*pffft artislife Sep 2015 #13
"I admire her. I respect her." MADem Sep 2015 #16
I'm a woman. I would love to vote for a woman in my lifetime. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #20
Very well stated. MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #31
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #36
I don't believe you can seriously call yourself a small d democrat and still hold tularetom Sep 2015 #61
Well, you march right up to half of the Democratic caucus and tell them all to F themselves, then! MADem Sep 2015 #96
You've made it clear you just don't LIKE her. MADem Sep 2015 #98
How about you guys laying off the spurious attacks? Fawke Em Sep 2015 #50
You guys? Most of "us guys" like Bernie just fine. He's just not our "preferred" candidate. MADem Sep 2015 #94
And he disagrees with her on some major issues. Which is why many of his supporters are HIS sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #88
He doesn't call her nasty names. Try following his lead. nt MADem Sep 2015 #90
So according your logic in #2... Bonobo Sep 2015 #4
Whether America is ready for a woman commander in chief is a valid question. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #6
I'll repeat the mantra of the Sanders Campaign Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #5
That's a good mantra. Positivism wins elections. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #7
And Hillary's weak point is her ideas. That's her problem. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #18
/\_/\_This_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #23
Well said, JDPriestly MissDeeds Sep 2015 #65
Agree. Issues it is. jwirr Sep 2015 #108
Pretty far cry on all sides Armstead Sep 2015 #24
a freakin men. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #41
Another post criticizing Bernie supporters. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #33
DU fucking rec... SidDithers Sep 2015 #8
Bwahahahaha whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #10
Man, I wouldn't blame that guy one bit if he upped and left! nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #12
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Orrex Sep 2015 #51
Let me go one at a time - Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #9
Thank you for totally proving the OP's point. leftofcool Sep 2015 #28
Thank you for detailing how that proved the OP's point. frylock Sep 2015 #89
I don't think I could be more even handed. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #95
Great post. Spot on. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #11
Her stand on issues are weak artislife Sep 2015 #14
And yet, this post had nothing to do with Bernie at all. leftofcool Sep 2015 #30
Well, except for the title Android3.14 Sep 2015 #34
Seriously WTF?! frylock Sep 2015 #91
Sorry, but I cannot fathom your suprised outrage Android3.14 Sep 2015 #103
I'm in agreement with you.. frylock Sep 2015 #104
'Sokay Android3.14 Sep 2015 #106
nah, no worries! frylock Sep 2015 #109
If has to do with the best Democrat in the race and that's Bernie. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #37
Take that one up with your beloved DNC. eom Fawke Em Sep 2015 #63
Not so much what we've been told, but how you've spun it... Ino Sep 2015 #15
thank you. cali Sep 2015 #19
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #27
Awwww.... Ino Sep 2015 #29
Maybe instead of complaining about the negative things that the anti-Hillary crowd says JDPriestly Sep 2015 #17
/\_/\_And this_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #25
+ 1000 nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #44
Hear, hear! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #53
Actually, they do write about this one" Fawke Em Sep 2015 #85
Read my signature line wyldwolf Sep 2015 #21
Nobody should attack Hillary on anything other than some issue positions DemocraticWing Sep 2015 #22
I really miss Democratic Underground. Big rec! leftofcool Sep 2015 #26
There's always HillaryMojo. frylock Sep 2015 #110
Except women can be sexist and using beauty and cleaning products to appeal to us is sexist as hell. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #32
Another unhappy HRC supporter. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #35
She has "shenanigans"? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #38
how sexist MoveIt Sep 2015 #79
transparently manipulative cali Sep 2015 #39
Anyone who says anything bad about Clinton is a sexist davidpdx Sep 2015 #40
Seriously, no one is stupid enough to claim Clinton as sexist.... SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #42
no one is claiming that she's sexist. cali Sep 2015 #45
"all criticism of her is right wing" SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #47
LOL. You just did. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #66
Um... the STORY compared her to Oprah and Martha Stewart. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #86
Why? What were the goodies? A vacuum cleaner? nt SunSeeker Sep 2015 #92
Household cleaners and a pink pantsuit emjoi. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #100
The Guardian described them as "household items," not "cleaners." SunSeeker Sep 2015 #101
no, I didn't. I said that campaign gimmick, which I.sincerely doubt she had cali Sep 2015 #93
"See how easy that is to understand?" SunSeeker Sep 2015 #97
Some things written here that would embarrass most people I know: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #49
Make an op on it. Not sure what it has to do with my point or this op. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #52
Exactly the reaction I expected. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #55
You are very welcome. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #57
I'm glad you liked what you saw in the mirror. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #58
Have a wonderful day. I'm not sure what the mirror comment is about. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #59
You'll figure it out eventually. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #60
Claiming Clinton is sexist is so Rovian, like attacking Kerry's war service. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #69
But does she want a cookie? AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #78
bernie sticks to the issues because he HAS POSITIONS ON THE ISSUES restorefreedom Sep 2015 #43
+1K Paka Sep 2015 #54
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #56
"....this is not her position" MoveIt Sep 2015 #72
exactly. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #77
I agree 100% BooScout Sep 2015 #46
this op is disturbing and less than honest. And freighted with unintentional irony. cali Sep 2015 #48
wow so this author you find disturbing dsc Sep 2015 #62
yes, I think it's bullshit. complaining about not being able to say voters won't vote for cali Sep 2015 #64
No that woman didn't denigrate Louis Stokes and Stephanie Tubbs Jones dsc Sep 2015 #67
hey thanks for that nasty, ugly personal attack. cali Sep 2015 #68
I am merely associating you with what you chose to bring here dsc Sep 2015 #71
Popcorn Smiley - the hallmark of meaningful discussion n/t MoveIt Sep 2015 #70
Yeah, it's all one way. mmonk Sep 2015 #73
Bernie is too busy to lurk here and I doubt he has his staff do it. Hillary? Yeah probably Autumn Sep 2015 #74
They were both Jewish carpenters in their youth. So the OP does have that going for him. ieoeja Sep 2015 #107
C'mon. These are independent thinkers who think deep independent thoughts about independent things. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #75
Oh, the drama. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #76
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #80
! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #81
yeesh, no wonder they need a "safe space" of their own where nothing factual is allowed MisterP Sep 2015 #82
No, I suspect he might occasionally get mildly annoyed at some things a few people say Armstead Sep 2015 #83
The old Bernie is weak meme. The only guy with the guts to stand up to government corruption. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #84
Oh gee. Another shame Bernie Sanders supporters OP. How fresh. frylock Sep 2015 #87
META kath Sep 2015 #99
I love the smell of... 99Forever Sep 2015 #102
DU has changed dramatically since primary season upaloopa Sep 2015 #105
A lot of hillary supporters posts now seem to smack of desperation.... Including several here. peacebird Sep 2015 #111
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