2016 Postmortem

PATRICK

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10. To most US voters

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:09 PM

Sep 2015

comparing Sanders to Corbyn in the first place is obtuse. It's Israel more than England that is a campaign issue and despite the heady enthusiasm of Foggy Bottom to take on Putin there are not many other issues the vast majority of voters care that much about, especially if they veer toward war, fear, economic ruin. Perhaps the attempt at all costs to avoid homeland bread and butter issues is inspiring these weak attempts to claim the foreign policy crown, but there is not much at present to excite voters about our successes or responsibilities or fears in any camp.

An attack is an attack. The media doesn't have to coordinate ITS efforts with the PACs, but it does to the detriment of course of our endangered, corruption-riddled democracy. I don't fault Hillary for projecting power this way- if it is the best she can do.

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War Is Coming To The Democrats: Why Clinton vs. Sanders Is About To Getting <sic> Very Ugly - Salon [View all] WillyT Sep 2015 OP

Obviously, you haven't got your Hillary Box of Cosmetics. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #1

And Boy Am I Pissed... WillyT Sep 2015 #2

Just don't get the household cleaners confused with the perfume Fawke Em Sep 2015 #15

I love your little abakan Sep 2015 #42

Thanks. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #78

Hillary Shows Right-Wing Positioning liberalmike27 Sep 2015 #125

Maybe it's one product that is multi-purpose! passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #66

OMG: Could I sue her if I used the "household cleaner" on my face! KoKo Sep 2015 #182

you have to donate to get it, my dears. Just saying so. $40-$250 or more will do it roguevalley Sep 2015 #17

. arcane1 Sep 2015 #4

^^^^ HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #7

Cosmetics?! I thought they were cooking utensils! BuelahWitch Sep 2015 #26

You just reminded me of the movie UHF Ichigo Kurosaki Sep 2015 #32

And that reminds me of this one Babel_17 Sep 2015 #98

I thought it was household cleaning supplies!nt m-lekktor Sep 2015 #30

hahahahaha! grasswire Sep 2015 #92

Good luck with that. People are azmom Sep 2015 #3

"...says quite a bit about her campaign�s values, and her own." Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2015 #5

She has none ibegurpard Sep 2015 #24

Values - Hillary???? 840high Sep 2015 #77

. merrily Sep 2015 #129

We all knew she'd eventually go ugly,... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #6

What is different is the overwhelming majority of DU-ers rejecting her. Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #116

She seems to have learned nothing from the last campaign... Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #131

^^This^^ n/t Gore1FL Sep 2015 #145

her campaign's slimy tactics restorefreedom Sep 2015 #8

My thoughts exactly. Maineman Sep 2015 #44

Bingo Champion Jack Sep 2015 #59

Nicely said. Voters' back-bones are straightening as they Feel the Bern. -nt- 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #68

i think people are coming around....bern notice! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #75

You saw that too. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #89

cenk was one of the first casualties of corporate m$nbc. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #91

OMG. I remember that. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #117

yeah, they really cleaned house restorefreedom Sep 2015 #118

Phil Donahue 2002 merrily Sep 2015 #122

yes merrily he was the original trailblazer restorefreedom Sep 2015 #123

Donahue, Olbermann, Cenk, Schultz and demotion for Sharpton. merrily Sep 2015 #124

and joy reid restorefreedom Sep 2015 #126

I'm sorry I forgot her. She's so brilliant and amazing. I was so happy when she got her own show. merrily Sep 2015 #128

i think they kept her restorefreedom Sep 2015 #134

Yes, the host of the show will set the message. Besides, she's been duly chastised. She knows the merrily Sep 2015 #135

sadly, i see that in rachel now too restorefreedom Sep 2015 #136

I've seen it in her for quite a while. In the bargain, her style wore thin on me. merrily Sep 2015 #138

i used to watch rachel more.... restorefreedom Sep 2015 #146

Your last sentence discribes Chris Hayes and Rachel jwirr Sep 2015 #133

You know why people ultimately go negative? philosslayer Sep 2015 #151

that has been the traditional conclusion restorefreedom Sep 2015 #160

Sanders is constitutionally incapable of being ugly, but he'll damned sure tell the ugly truth about ancianita Sep 2015 #9

I suspect that the Sanders campaign hifiguy Sep 2015 #13

I love your optimism. ancianita Sep 2015 #14

It's only optimism in part. hifiguy Sep 2015 #16

hifiguy... SoapBox Sep 2015 #21

"We were dead broke when we left the White House." Tone deaf attempt to respond to rising populism. merrily Sep 2015 #139

Hillary won't make it to the first primary if Biden gets into the race. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2015 #60

This is so well planned, his campaign, that I have great faith in him prevailing. After all, roguevalley Sep 2015 #18

I cannot believe she isn't smart enough to know this wouldn't backfire... Volaris Sep 2015 #33

I believe at this point AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #155

I don't work for her campaign Volaris Sep 2015 #159

His Super-PAC could go very ugly 6chars Sep 2015 #85

To most US voters PATRICK Sep 2015 #10

Clinton will get ugly. Bernie will not Doctor_J Sep 2015 #11

Revolting, but entirely expected. hifiguy Sep 2015 #12

she's about to run on invading Syria and Iran? good luck with that MisterP Sep 2015 #19

getting ugly?! it's been ugly noiretextatique Sep 2015 #20

Ditto that! SoapBox Sep 2015 #22

Sing it! merrily Sep 2015 #121

Be careful. Remember the negative psychology tricks to convince you that something is one way erronis Sep 2015 #23

They cited a poll today about how a majority approve use of military, etc. It was on MSNBC Skwmom Sep 2015 #25

I saw that. I ignored it as more Conservative BS PatrynXX Sep 2015 #27

The Hillary campaign is definitely taking the low road jfern Sep 2015 #28

I don't think the high road even shows up on their GPS. [nt] Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #150

Sounds pretty silly to me, elleng Sep 2015 #29

Clinton will do more harm to fredamae Sep 2015 #31

Indeed. Her campaign continues to make all the same Lorien Sep 2015 #99

I get the sense they thought Obama was a fluke, and they could go back to the old ways Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #132

This is not going to go well for Hillary. Bad form, yet again. peacebird Sep 2015 #34

I -try- to lean to rational understanding, and to Sanders, help me understand why you think that... HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #37

Because turning off Sanders supporters by slinging mud is not a way to get their vote should she peacebird Sep 2015 #51

Of course, the 3rd way/DLC dems are pretty open about saying the left has no where to go HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #56

Sorry most of the Sanders support won't vote for her anyway Historic NY Sep 2015 #79

I am a Dem, and have voted as such since 1975. However I WILL vote for Bernie, but NOT for Hillary peacebird Sep 2015 #80

You pulled that right from your ear. A few DUers does not = most of the Sanders supporters. merrily Sep 2015 #142

Mud? Corbyn is Gold to Me: Corbyn? Bring it On! McKim Sep 2015 #157

She lost the last primary she ran in. And she lost it without any semblance of grace. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #90

I agree about 2008, I am not sure she's at the point of desperation...yet. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #93

I hope Biden doesn't jump in Scootaloo Sep 2015 #104

Biden is 'married' to Obama's presidency there isn't divorce from that. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #106

If Biden went in with at least the tacit blessing of the other party PTB, I think donors would merrily Sep 2015 #143

Re the powers that be... the Clinton family be a lot of that power. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #170

Yes, they are, but that did not entirely do the trick in 2008. Reid, Daschle, etc. merrily Sep 2015 #171

What I meant to suggest is H> would have to be bought out, not Biden HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #172

I don't think Biden is decision making. He's campaigning. We can see that. merrily Sep 2015 #173

He's fishing around looking for support but the poll responders are moving away just like earlier HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #175

I think his poll numbers will drop further after he announces. merrily Sep 2015 #178

I think that's true. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #180

I meant his numbers, but, yes, hers too. She'll run against Obama if she gets to the general; she'll merrily Sep 2015 #181

We really don't have to "fight back" at all Lorien Sep 2015 #97

. merrily Sep 2015 #140

I've finally got to say this: Ron Green Sep 2015 #35

She absolutely knows about them. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #43

Any Clinton has only one core principal: hifiguy Sep 2015 #46

TRUTH. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #47

I agree! nt m-lekktor Sep 2015 #54

Tricky Hilly... Ino Sep 2015 #71

OK, that actually made me LOL. DUzy! hifiguy Sep 2015 #73

Bingo! Lorien Sep 2015 #100

I really, really want to be the first woman President seems to be the theme. merrily Sep 2015 #141

While Bernie's theme seems to be Aerows Sep 2015 #177

I see his theme as These things must be done and no one else seems willing to do them. merrily Sep 2015 #179

This slimy dirtbag behavior is exactly what I expected from her. She did not disappoint. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #36

Bernie simply has more Class Ferd Berfel Sep 2015 #38

Good find, WillyT n/t Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2015 #39

Our younger generations aren't going to buy her shit slinging. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #40

Ah, Mediamatters. Another centrist gun-prohibitionist agitprop outlet. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #41

MM founder and PACer Brock thinks it's a weapon against a man merrily Sep 2015 #127

It puzzles me how/why Brock was in posession of 400k (from Joyce Fnd) which... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #162

I don't know. Reading Brock's wiki is very puzzling. merrily Sep 2015 #166

lol, defending Hillary against baseless attacks Ned Flanders Sep 2015 #45

That is funny as all get out. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #55

Even funnier: read his wiki. merrily Sep 2015 #144

They are such liars jfern Sep 2015 #64

That clinches it for me: I will not vote for Hillary if she happens to get the nomination, which Maineman Sep 2015 #48

If she secures the nomination and you disavow her here in print, you'll be banned per the TOS. MerryBlooms Sep 2015 #52

Add me to your list, I have been saying I will not vote for her for months. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2015 #58

I've seen posts about making a list MerryBlooms Sep 2015 #62

Ditto here jfern Sep 2015 #65

Guys. Let's not go down that road. ancianita Sep 2015 #67

I'm sorry if I gave the impression I'm excited, well I am excited about Bernie, A Simple Game Sep 2015 #87

Say she makes it past Bernie. Seriously, who would be the best person? ancianita Sep 2015 #107

"None of the above". (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #120

Uh, no. And you've been here long enough to know better. jeff47 Sep 2015 #82

glad someone pointed that out restorefreedom Sep 2015 #112

It's Hillary "Rezko" Clinton so it's only going to get uglier fbc Sep 2015 #49

Is Sanders' counter strategy Gman Sep 2015 #50

I think you mistake whining ibegurpard Sep 2015 #61

Ha! Lorien Sep 2015 #101

Nope. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #81

There's an entire sub-forum dedicated to whining and meta.. frylock Sep 2015 #110

LOL! Gman Sep 2015 #115

National security will be a major issue in 2016 and Hillary cannot afford to look weak or dovish. Renew Deal Sep 2015 #53

A chameleon can only turn different colors so many times 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #69

Left the barn? hifiguy Sep 2015 #72

I stand corrected. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #74

I think this chameleon's problem is that the carpet is plaid. n/t malthaussen Sep 2015 #161

Right, better to support the wrong thing than "risk looking weak" LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #94

Hey, what's a million dead civilians, over 4k dead troops, and 3 Trillon Lorien Sep 2015 #102

Yeah, because that's what all the kids say they care about frylock Sep 2015 #111

Hillary must respond dicksmc3 Sep 2015 #57

Salon tries to start a war. Sunlei Sep 2015 #63

I don't think -- by reporting this accurately -- Salon is "starting a war" 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #70

yes, Tabloid has to work on the headlines to get the words sanders, clinton and Ugly War Sunlei Sep 2015 #76

Since when is Salon a "tabloid"? Oh snap! never mind. I know 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #88

That messenger must be slaughtered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #83

no violence just remove the extra words the tabloid added, like war, ugly Sunlei Sep 2015 #84

And attacking Sanders for preventing poor people from freezing to death jeff47 Sep 2015 #86

I love Senator Sanders, we all need to listen to him. Sunlei Sep 2015 #114

I served on a jury this morning where the alert was based solely on a link to an alleged rw source. merrily Sep 2015 #130

For someone who has spent a lifetime in politics Lorien Sep 2015 #95

That's An Increasinly Alarming Problem... WillyT Sep 2015 #96

The PUMAs have come out of hibernation. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #103

dark money portlander23 Sep 2015 #105

Yep... WillyT Sep 2015 #109

Nah. They both play well with others. grahamhgreen Sep 2015 #108

Big UGLY K&R for UglyVision... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #113

She'll destroy the country in order to win Android3.14 Sep 2015 #119

As I have repeatedly noted, hifiguy Sep 2015 #169

So she by remote control is saying Bernie is not a warhawk. More reason to vote for Bernie. L0oniX Sep 2015 #137

I suppose next Hillary will go on "Fox and Friends" to show her legs and talk about bombing Iran. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #147

Freedom november3rd Sep 2015 #148

Its starting to look like 2008 all over again d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #149

Oh that's already started ibegurpard Sep 2015 #152

I thought Sanders supporters wanted free shit d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #154

There was never any doubtt that Hillary would use ugly tactics...that's how she rolls. bowens43 Sep 2015 #153

If you are merely a puppet of the power elite emsimon33 Sep 2015 #165

Clintons Are Not Good For Our Party billhicks76 Sep 2015 #156

Well Sanders needs to be able to handle the attacks if he wants the office Keep-Left Sep 2015 #158

It is good practice for the general election for Bernie emsimon33 Sep 2015 #164

Bernie can Deal with Donald Trump....Both are New Yawkers KoKo Sep 2015 #174

Tell me again why we want this craven woman for president? emsimon33 Sep 2015 #163

This will not end well for Ms. Clinton! imthevicar Sep 2015 #167

polics 101: when bereft of substance, attack. nt Javaman Sep 2015 #168

Thanks for the link! n/t Aerows Sep 2015 #176