2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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25. By doing what?

Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:29 PM

Sep 2015

Gathering a bunch of corporations together to get them to promise not to discriminate against gays in the workplace? Precisely how enforceable is this? Is this anything more than campaign window dressing by corporations that are already major contributors looking to rainbow-wash their brands and aide Hillary in expunging her proto-evolutionary statements well available on YouTube?

And how many of these corporations use international sweatshop labor in places where it would be utterly improbable and unlikely for them to even be monitored for any of their practices?

This is PR and that is all.

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NBC's Chuck Todd: Bernie Sanders Was 'There' On Same-Sex Marriage 20 Years Ago - Politifact [View all] WillyT Sep 2015 OP

Todd is wrong about "marriage" and Bernie 20 years ago. nt DURHAM D Sep 2015 #1

Bernie indeed never said "Marriage", but did say strike down the laws dealing with sexual behavior LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #2

Correct. DURHAM D Sep 2015 #6

I think that if the concept of "Gay Marriage" had been asked he would have been ok with it. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #11

He voted FOR Barnie Franks's amendment to that bigoted bill DOMA (which Hillary supported) Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #14

that's not pretty 6chars Sep 2015 #116

The claim that Sanders was less concerned about equal marriage than Hillary is shameful bullshit. merrily Sep 2015 #122

Thank you. She supported DOMA, made that speech and did not come out for equal marriage until 2013, merrily Sep 2015 #121

From the minute it became an issue he supported it. And even more impressive, 20 years BEFORE THAT, sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #101

When was HRC legislating for equal marriage again? She did not come out for it until 2013. merrily Sep 2015 #120

Really ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #3

Willy, would you clarify a bit, sheshe2 Sep 2015 #10

Not Good Enough Willy? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #15

Lol! Thanks BMUS! sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #103

Glass houses and all that. :) beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #105

Yes, glasshouses! Lol! sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #108

I ten to like that article. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #12

Where does it say gay marriage... Historic NY Sep 2015 #87

Please see Reply 120 and don't play brand new. merrily Sep 2015 #123

Good catch, I see a new meme being created. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #150

Thanks, bmus. merrily Sep 2015 #153

None of what you posted was more than supposition.... Historic NY Sep 2015 #151

It was much more than supposition. I'm sorry you apparently were unable to follow it. merrily Sep 2015 #152

See... Here's You're Problem... Bernie Sanders Has Held The Same Viewes For About 40 Years... WillyT Sep 2015 #4

"Todd�s claim is accurate. We rate it True." Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #5

Hillary was still not evolved on Gay Marriage just two years ago. By then of course, it was fairly sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #106

Obama came out for equal marriage (again) in 2012 WHILE RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION. merrily Sep 2015 #124

That's what gets me. Prism Sep 2015 #133

Well I'm convinced with your supporting evidence. neverforget Sep 2015 #19

Please also see Reply 120. Sanders also okayed and marched in the first gay rights merrily Sep 2015 #125

They're attacking where he's strong to make it seem as though neverforget Sep 2015 #134

Equal marriage is perhaps the last thing about which Hillary should attack anyone. merrily Sep 2015 #135

I'll just leave these here: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #7

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #8

Cheers, WillyT! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #9

damn, you're good! + 1000000 nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #16

I should be, they've been pulling this shit for months. :) beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #18

yup. and months some more i think. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #20

And it will continue for months yet. zeemike Sep 2015 #29

!!!! Phlem Sep 2015 #22

. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #24

This is what's known as a principled stand! He stood by his beliefs even though they were highly Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #27

Yes, he didn't need to evolve on marriage equality. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #34

Amen. 840high Sep 2015 #57

even for a large donation, she would not have supported something 68% of Americans were against. merrily Sep 2015 #128

You're like a librarian of postworthy info about Bernie. senz Sep 2015 #112

Thanks, senz. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #113

This should be an OP 6chars Sep 2015 #117

Thanks, but I would never tell anyone how to vote. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #149

Now that is one fine rebuttal! TM99 Sep 2015 #118

BMUS, you have a lot more patience for shameless bullshit smears than I do. merrily Sep 2015 #126

Thanks! I just keep posting the facts and watching them move the goalposts. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #142

You're more than welcome. I am not so willing as I used to be to provide links, etc. merrily Sep 2015 #145

Thank you so much.. DianeK Sep 2015 #154

You're welcome, fellow Vermonter! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #155

I could not agree more about Jim Jeffords DianeK Sep 2015 #156

When he abandoned his party it was quite a statement. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #157

"constant reminder that Hillary Clinton has not always taken the lead on issues" Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #13

looks like chuckie toaster pastries restorefreedom Sep 2015 #17

Hillary Clinton has done more for lgbt rights today alone than Bernie has in 30 years. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #21

!!! Phlem Sep 2015 #23

By doing what? kenfrequed Sep 2015 #25

Bernie's not out there on the front lines. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #28

Oh my, the double down. Phlem Sep 2015 #30

Bernie was casting votes for marriage equality instead opposing it like Hillary. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #31

Which votes are you referring to? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #35

So her fierce opposition to marriage equality was "fighting for" what? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #39

She is free to believe whatever she chooses. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #42

She fought against lgbt civil rights, do you not get that? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #43

Which votes are you referring to? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #46

I said she fought against marriage equality, what part of my post is incorrect? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #48

I updated my previous post. Reread. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #49

Which part of my post is incorrect? Did she or did she not oppose marriage equality? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #52

Did she vote for it? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #62

Which part of my post is incorrect? Be specific. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #64

My, my, my. merrily Sep 2015 #138

We have always been at war with eastasia. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #33

Show me his record. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #37

Show me Secretary Clinton's record as soil conservation comissioner kenfrequed Sep 2015 #40

But it's not PR when Bernie suddenly introduces legislation BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #45

She walks with her corporate friends. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #47

Bernie hasn't stood up, he cast votes. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #51

Voting against laws that restrict the rights of lgbt people IS standing up for them. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #53

Fine. But it's still a far cry from the global action Hillary has done. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #56

My definition of "standing up" for lgbt rights is fighting for marriage equality, not against it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #58

Again, so her non-votes = fighting against, but Bernie's votes = fighting for? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #61

Bernie's votes for ssm = fighting for it, her many speeches against ssm = fighting against it beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #63

So when Bernie voted for the 1994 crime bill he was "fighting for it"? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #65

Red herring, the topic is marriage equality. Do you understand the facts now? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #66

Just trying to understand your logic: BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #78

Logic? You keep using that word... beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #79

You can quit with the childish meme pics. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #109

Quit flinging those logical fallacies around like toys and I won't have to post them. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #111

Logical fallacies, double standards, sweeping unsupported statements. Lot of variety! merrily Sep 2015 #139

The ONLY reason she's doing that is b/c she's running for President. senz Sep 2015 #114

LOLOL! merrily Sep 2015 #136

You're right. Her push for DOMA and her belief in traditional marriage d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #26

That is 100% false rhetoric. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #32

did he sign it? Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #36

Do First Lady's typically vote on legislation? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #38

"Hillary stated that she would have supported DOMA if she had been in the Senate in 1996:" Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #68

You are posting a rightwing source.. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #84

She supported DOMA in 1996: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #88

Quote says nothing about supporting DOMA. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #91

Clinton spokeman Phil Singer adds, "Sen. Clinton backed the Defense of Marriage Act" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #92

Get some rest. You're double posting. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #95

It's good that you finally acknowledge her record of opposition to marriage equality. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #96

Never cast a vote. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #99

Red herrings. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #100

She never had to cast a vote. DOMA was already in effect. merrily Sep 2015 #140

Whatever you say buddy! d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #41

That wasn't during DOMA. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #44

Hillary stated that she would have supported DOMA if she had been in the Senate in 1996: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #50

She never said that. You REALLY might want to check the source. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #54

ontheissues.org is accurate, your denial is not a refutation of the facts. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #55

....x10+ 840high Sep 2015 #59

Ay yi yi. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #60

No. She never said that. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #67

ontheissues.org is an unbiased source and Terry Gross didn't fall for anything. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #69

Can you tell me where in the video BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #71

Since she supported DOMA in 1996 why would she have voted against it? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #72

You realize your source is a rightwing nut job BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #76

AGAIN I quoted Hillary's own words in 1996: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #77

You said she said she would vote for DOMA. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #80

She was against same sex marriage in 1996. Prove that quote is false. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #81

Why would she have voted against DOMA when she spoke out in favour of it at the time? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #70

You don't see how crazy this is getting? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #73

She supported DOMA in 1996. Period. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #74

And Bernie voted FOR 1994 crime bill. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #82

. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #83

Not clicking on blind links. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #85

Not a blind link, look again, you'll LOVE it! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #86

You basically lost this debate to yourself. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #89

Hillary spokesman "Sen. Clinton backed the Defense of Marriage Act" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #90

Seems like it worked. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #93

She didn't evolve until 2013. She was against it before she was for it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #94

She cast no votes against ssm. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #97

Reality: her own words prove she was opposed to same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #98

I'm personally against abortion, but I wouldn't want it banned. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #102

She was against same sex marriage. Where's the grey area? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #104

Personal beliefs vs. Public votes BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #107

In what bizarro world would she have voted against DOMA when she backed it? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #110

A spokesman? No thanks. So according to your own logic BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #132

Red Herring, false analogy, another epic fail. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #143

She was against marriage equality in 2004. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #75

Your accusing others of shifting goal posts is too ironic for words. merrily Sep 2015 #141

My point is that HRC has not fought for gay rights d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #144

thousands would believe you olddots Sep 2015 #115

Because a speech in 2015 trumps everything before that? Even 43 years of advocacy when no one merrily Sep 2015 #127

Trying to paint Hillary as more pro-LGBT rights than Bernie is really ridiculous. djean111 Sep 2015 #119

+1 merrily Sep 2015 #130

Thanks, Willy T for a great OP and to Bernie's supporters on this thread. As for some others, merrily Sep 2015 #129

You Are Welcome... And Man... That Is One Tenacious New Hire... WillyT Sep 2015 #131

Isn't it, though? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #137

If only quantity meant quality! merrily Sep 2015 #146

Kicking cuz now we're being told Bernie only cares about economic issues. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #147

It looks like he skipped the "evolution" phase. Unlike another candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #148