2016 Postmortem

d_legendary1

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26. You're right. Her push for DOMA and her belief in traditional marriage

Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:30 PM

Sep 2015

set back the LGBT community back a few years. Or are you talking about the Supreme Court's ruling on striking down Doma, which put them back to being second class citizens?

Technically you're not wrong.

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NBC's Chuck Todd: Bernie Sanders Was 'There' On Same-Sex Marriage 20 Years Ago - Politifact [View all] WillyT Sep 2015 OP

Todd is wrong about "marriage" and Bernie 20 years ago. nt DURHAM D Sep 2015 #1

Bernie indeed never said "Marriage", but did say strike down the laws dealing with sexual behavior LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #2

Correct. DURHAM D Sep 2015 #6

I think that if the concept of "Gay Marriage" had been asked he would have been ok with it. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #11

He voted FOR Barnie Franks's amendment to that bigoted bill DOMA (which Hillary supported) Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #14

that's not pretty 6chars Sep 2015 #116

The claim that Sanders was less concerned about equal marriage than Hillary is shameful bullshit. merrily Sep 2015 #122

Thank you. She supported DOMA, made that speech and did not come out for equal marriage until 2013, merrily Sep 2015 #121

From the minute it became an issue he supported it. And even more impressive, 20 years BEFORE THAT, sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #101

When was HRC legislating for equal marriage again? She did not come out for it until 2013. merrily Sep 2015 #120

Really ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #3

Willy, would you clarify a bit, sheshe2 Sep 2015 #10

Not Good Enough Willy? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #15

Lol! Thanks BMUS! sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #103

Glass houses and all that. :) beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #105

Yes, glasshouses! Lol! sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #108

I ten to like that article. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #12

Where does it say gay marriage... Historic NY Sep 2015 #87

Please see Reply 120 and don't play brand new. merrily Sep 2015 #123

Good catch, I see a new meme being created. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #150

Thanks, bmus. merrily Sep 2015 #153

None of what you posted was more than supposition.... Historic NY Sep 2015 #151

It was much more than supposition. I'm sorry you apparently were unable to follow it. merrily Sep 2015 #152

See... Here's You're Problem... Bernie Sanders Has Held The Same Viewes For About 40 Years... WillyT Sep 2015 #4

"Todd�s claim is accurate. We rate it True." Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #5

Hillary was still not evolved on Gay Marriage just two years ago. By then of course, it was fairly sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #106

Obama came out for equal marriage (again) in 2012 WHILE RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION. merrily Sep 2015 #124

That's what gets me. Prism Sep 2015 #133

Well I'm convinced with your supporting evidence. neverforget Sep 2015 #19

Please also see Reply 120. Sanders also okayed and marched in the first gay rights merrily Sep 2015 #125

They're attacking where he's strong to make it seem as though neverforget Sep 2015 #134

Equal marriage is perhaps the last thing about which Hillary should attack anyone. merrily Sep 2015 #135

I'll just leave these here: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #7

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #8

Cheers, WillyT! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #9

damn, you're good! + 1000000 nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #16

I should be, they've been pulling this shit for months. :) beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #18

yup. and months some more i think. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #20

And it will continue for months yet. zeemike Sep 2015 #29

!!!! Phlem Sep 2015 #22

. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #24

This is what's known as a principled stand! He stood by his beliefs even though they were highly Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #27

Yes, he didn't need to evolve on marriage equality. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #34

Amen. 840high Sep 2015 #57

even for a large donation, she would not have supported something 68% of Americans were against. merrily Sep 2015 #128

You're like a librarian of postworthy info about Bernie. senz Sep 2015 #112

Thanks, senz. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #113

This should be an OP 6chars Sep 2015 #117

Thanks, but I would never tell anyone how to vote. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #149

Now that is one fine rebuttal! TM99 Sep 2015 #118

BMUS, you have a lot more patience for shameless bullshit smears than I do. merrily Sep 2015 #126

Thanks! I just keep posting the facts and watching them move the goalposts. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #142

You're more than welcome. I am not so willing as I used to be to provide links, etc. merrily Sep 2015 #145

Thank you so much.. DianeK Sep 2015 #154

You're welcome, fellow Vermonter! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #155

I could not agree more about Jim Jeffords DianeK Sep 2015 #156

When he abandoned his party it was quite a statement. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #157

"constant reminder that Hillary Clinton has not always taken the lead on issues" Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #13

looks like chuckie toaster pastries restorefreedom Sep 2015 #17

Hillary Clinton has done more for lgbt rights today alone than Bernie has in 30 years. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #21

!!! Phlem Sep 2015 #23

By doing what? kenfrequed Sep 2015 #25

Bernie's not out there on the front lines. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #28

Oh my, the double down. Phlem Sep 2015 #30

Bernie was casting votes for marriage equality instead opposing it like Hillary. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #31

Which votes are you referring to? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #35

So her fierce opposition to marriage equality was "fighting for" what? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #39

She is free to believe whatever she chooses. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #42

She fought against lgbt civil rights, do you not get that? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #43

Which votes are you referring to? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #46

I said she fought against marriage equality, what part of my post is incorrect? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #48

I updated my previous post. Reread. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #49

Which part of my post is incorrect? Did she or did she not oppose marriage equality? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #52

Did she vote for it? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #62

Which part of my post is incorrect? Be specific. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #64

My, my, my. merrily Sep 2015 #138

We have always been at war with eastasia. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #33

Show me his record. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #37

Show me Secretary Clinton's record as soil conservation comissioner kenfrequed Sep 2015 #40

But it's not PR when Bernie suddenly introduces legislation BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #45

She walks with her corporate friends. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #47

Bernie hasn't stood up, he cast votes. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #51

Voting against laws that restrict the rights of lgbt people IS standing up for them. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #53

Fine. But it's still a far cry from the global action Hillary has done. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #56

My definition of "standing up" for lgbt rights is fighting for marriage equality, not against it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #58

Again, so her non-votes = fighting against, but Bernie's votes = fighting for? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #61

Bernie's votes for ssm = fighting for it, her many speeches against ssm = fighting against it beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #63

So when Bernie voted for the 1994 crime bill he was "fighting for it"? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #65

Red herring, the topic is marriage equality. Do you understand the facts now? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #66

Just trying to understand your logic: BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #78

Logic? You keep using that word... beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #79

You can quit with the childish meme pics. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #109

Quit flinging those logical fallacies around like toys and I won't have to post them. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #111

Logical fallacies, double standards, sweeping unsupported statements. Lot of variety! merrily Sep 2015 #139

The ONLY reason she's doing that is b/c she's running for President. senz Sep 2015 #114

LOLOL! merrily Sep 2015 #136

You're right. Her push for DOMA and her belief in traditional marriage d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #26

That is 100% false rhetoric. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #32

did he sign it? Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #36

Do First Lady's typically vote on legislation? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #38

"Hillary stated that she would have supported DOMA if she had been in the Senate in 1996:" Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #68

You are posting a rightwing source.. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #84

She supported DOMA in 1996: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #88

Quote says nothing about supporting DOMA. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #91

Clinton spokeman Phil Singer adds, "Sen. Clinton backed the Defense of Marriage Act" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #92

Get some rest. You're double posting. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #95

It's good that you finally acknowledge her record of opposition to marriage equality. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #96

Never cast a vote. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #99

Red herrings. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #100

She never had to cast a vote. DOMA was already in effect. merrily Sep 2015 #140

Whatever you say buddy! d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #41

That wasn't during DOMA. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #44

Hillary stated that she would have supported DOMA if she had been in the Senate in 1996: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #50

She never said that. You REALLY might want to check the source. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #54

ontheissues.org is accurate, your denial is not a refutation of the facts. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #55

....x10+ 840high Sep 2015 #59

Ay yi yi. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #60

No. She never said that. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #67

ontheissues.org is an unbiased source and Terry Gross didn't fall for anything. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #69

Can you tell me where in the video BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #71

Since she supported DOMA in 1996 why would she have voted against it? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #72

You realize your source is a rightwing nut job BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #76

AGAIN I quoted Hillary's own words in 1996: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #77

You said she said she would vote for DOMA. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #80

She was against same sex marriage in 1996. Prove that quote is false. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #81

Why would she have voted against DOMA when she spoke out in favour of it at the time? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #70

You don't see how crazy this is getting? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #73

She supported DOMA in 1996. Period. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #74

And Bernie voted FOR 1994 crime bill. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #82

. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #83

Not clicking on blind links. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #85

Not a blind link, look again, you'll LOVE it! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #86

You basically lost this debate to yourself. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #89

Hillary spokesman "Sen. Clinton backed the Defense of Marriage Act" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #90

Seems like it worked. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #93

She didn't evolve until 2013. She was against it before she was for it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #94

She cast no votes against ssm. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #97

Reality: her own words prove she was opposed to same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #98

I'm personally against abortion, but I wouldn't want it banned. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #102

She was against same sex marriage. Where's the grey area? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #104

Personal beliefs vs. Public votes BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #107

In what bizarro world would she have voted against DOMA when she backed it? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #110

A spokesman? No thanks. So according to your own logic BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #132

Red Herring, false analogy, another epic fail. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #143

She was against marriage equality in 2004. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #75

Your accusing others of shifting goal posts is too ironic for words. merrily Sep 2015 #141

My point is that HRC has not fought for gay rights d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #144

thousands would believe you olddots Sep 2015 #115

Because a speech in 2015 trumps everything before that? Even 43 years of advocacy when no one merrily Sep 2015 #127

Trying to paint Hillary as more pro-LGBT rights than Bernie is really ridiculous. djean111 Sep 2015 #119

+1 merrily Sep 2015 #130

Thanks, Willy T for a great OP and to Bernie's supporters on this thread. As for some others, merrily Sep 2015 #129

You Are Welcome... And Man... That Is One Tenacious New Hire... WillyT Sep 2015 #131

Isn't it, though? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #137

If only quantity meant quality! merrily Sep 2015 #146

Kicking cuz now we're being told Bernie only cares about economic issues. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #147

It looks like he skipped the "evolution" phase. Unlike another candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #148