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Can Bernie supporters comprehend why someone would prefer Hillary over Bernie? [View all]	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	OP
I'm voting for HRC in my primary	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#1
Sanders supporters are not that...please reconsider your words. For shame.	Fred Sanders	Oct 2015	#5
Thanks Fred	JackInGreen	Oct 2015	#226
So, anyone with an opinion different from your is "an idiot".	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#8
Political wishful thinking, yes. Idiocy, no. See this link:	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#27
Well, just a week or so ago	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#34
"Democratic Socialist"	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#84
Thanks.	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#90
I like "FDR Democrat" as well.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#94
I believe Bernie can also obtain some crossover vote from Republicans.	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#103
Can't imagine an R voting for Hillary, true. nt	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#111
The GOP does not support socialism	Gothmog	Oct 2015	#203
Good OP-I am supporting Hillary Clinton because I simply do not think that Sanders is electable	Gothmog	Oct 2015	#204
Is there a difference to the average voting person?	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#108
He is. It's called "stating his positions."	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#137
You are missing the point.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#145
You think the Sanders campaign is	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#152
No, you placed the burden on others to find out what Democratic Socialist means.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#159
Oh, you mean me personally.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#192
I can answer that since I have been out on the streets supporting Bernie.	Live and Learn	Oct 2015	#180
Thank you for your efforts.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#185
Bernie is quite adept at explaining the difference himself.	Live and Learn	Oct 2015	#190
My point is that he needs to.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#191
He is doing his best (quite well, actually) in person and through social media.	Live and Learn	Oct 2015	#193
I believe you ascribe far to much dislike for the term "socialist" in today's society.	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#207
I believe you conflate my opinions with the average person's.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#208
Thanks	Thespian2	Oct 2015	#98
Sanders is not looking to dismantle capitalism. He's basically a staunch libeal/progressive	Armstead	Oct 2015	#58
I never imagined I would live to see those basic principles become radical.	Autumn	Oct 2015	#71
Because maybe, just maybe, it is time to make a real change	iwillalwayswonderwhy	Oct 2015	#61
Could you	liberalmike27	Oct 2015	#77
I don't know where to begin with this reply and your OP.	pangaia	Oct 2015	#93
"Sanders realizes somebody has to try to fix things."	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#117
Clara-Jumi soon. :>))))	pangaia	Oct 2015	#149
You lucky duck!	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#157
With the corporatist propaganda from the likes of RW talk radio and both "bought" parties...	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#165
This poll was brought up a while ago and debunked. It only includes data from those who're 56+.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#166
I wonder if they also threw the term in "communist" how that would be looked at in polling too...	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#169
You know jack shit about getting Democrats elected.	frylock	Oct 2015	#183
Because every "He's not electable and he's about to show why; just watch." hurdle...	Chan790	Oct 2015	#225
that's what you are going to take from that?	treestar	Oct 2015	#97
It would seem that you did not read the entire post.	Bohunk68	Oct 2015	#23
Wow did you guys miss the point	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#37
Yes you were nt	Duckhunter935	Oct 2015	#53
Reading comprehension is clearly NOT your strong suit	66 dmhlt	Oct 2015	#73
Sure	Duckhunter935	Oct 2015	#79
NO - you clearly can NOT! But I'll help you out:	66 dmhlt	Oct 2015	#83
Oh come on.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#88
There was no "implication" at all. But since you claim ...	66 dmhlt	Oct 2015	#215
Okey dokey. And you read mine.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#216
And s/he made NO claim (overt or implied) that non-HRC supporters are idiots ...	66 dmhlt	Oct 2015	#229
Well, I've extracted all the amusement I care to from this exchange. nt	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#234
Yes they jumped on that chance to be offended	treestar	Oct 2015	#99
Well, I guess it was too good a chance to pass up...! But seriously,	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#122
" Especially by the assertions that the post didn't imply (yeah, "imply") what it implied."	JTFrog	Oct 2015	#153
I don't generally remember posters.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#156
This message was self-deleted by its author	JTFrog	Oct 2015	#150
Wow that's civil	Duckhunter935	Oct 2015	#51
I found it interesting that Bernie's appearance could be a factor to some.	olegramps	Oct 2015	#104
I feel the same way!	Walk away	Oct 2015	#236
Great post. I agree with this completely.	DanTex	Oct 2015	#2
Settling is not a strategy	Fearless	Oct 2015	#63
And I hope Hillary supporters read up on Third Way and what its done to the Democratic Party.	RiverLover	Oct 2015	#222
Why would you strongly campaign for Sanders in the general if he can't possibly win?	Vattel	Oct 2015	#3
Frankly	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#10
I believe ALL HRC supporters would back Bernie in the general to fight what	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#17
Comments	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#24
I think you're making way too much of a little toss-in. We all tend to assume	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#32
That post pretty much validates my thinking that many Clinton supporters	Doctor_J	Oct 2015	#41
My sentiments exactly.	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#46
+1	daleanime	Oct 2015	#91
If not "want," exactly	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#92
right. They are willing to accept all of those in exchange for	Doctor_J	Oct 2015	#109
Even while Roe v Wade becomes moot.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#115
Except with the insidious RWers, you keep abortion rights but . . . end up	Nay	Oct 2015	#142
No, they disagree about the logistics	treestar	Oct 2015	#198
And apparently many BS supporters wear tin foil hats...	Walk away	Oct 2015	#238
exactly, people would try even against the odds	treestar	Oct 2015	#113
Umhm. Except odds for the 2016 White House are in our favor. It's ours to hold.	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#179
I don't have to. I live in a blue state so I can just skip the top line! Nt	Walk away	Oct 2015	#237
Yep, their confidences is in the machine.	zeemike	Oct 2015	#57
Yeah, but	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#95
Well perhaps some of them will be recipients of that suction.	zeemike	Oct 2015	#110
GLAD you asked, as I knew someone would. HERE is why I would still campaign BIGTIME for Sanders:	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#11
Let's turn it around. Here is why I will support Hillary in the general, if she is the nominee.	rogerashton	Oct 2015	#60
Thanks. That makes sense.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#69
"He Can't Win,"	liberalmike27	Oct 2015	#85
Dividing the left mentally up into "us" and "them" may satisfy something inside you,	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#239
Huh? In the unlikely event he wins as Democratic nominee	treestar	Oct 2015	#100
I think you misunderstood me.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#107
Letting the GOP win would be pointless.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#112
RBI said that Sanders couldn't possibly win the GE but that he or she would campaign on his behalf	Vattel	Oct 2015	#120
One would do so because giving up is not an option in the General.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#125
if sanders can't win, and he is the democratic nominee,	Vattel	Oct 2015	#129
You are explaining why you would give up.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#131
After reading RBI's response, I would keep fighting even if I knew the Repub would win.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#141
Yes, you keep fighting anyway.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#143
cool. we agree	Vattel	Oct 2015	#177
The goal is to put as many dems in office as we can.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#200
You should put this paragraph you wrote in a frame:	Fred Sanders	Oct 2015	#4
Yes.	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#15
GREAT POINT. I hope people respond.	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#28
Hey, not all posts belong in frames. :)	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#87
She denies being a progressive. Are you saying she's lying?	Scuba	Oct 2015	#6
You're wrong. In fact in the '08 debates she described herself as a "Modern Progressive."	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#18
What's a "modern progressive"?	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#36
"I've been accused of being a moderate. I plead guilty." -HRC	Scuba	Oct 2015	#40
Apparently "centrist" is the new "Modern Progressive",	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#52
Yep. Neauseating.	Scuba	Oct 2015	#68
ANOTHER thing us Bernie Supporters are horrible at!	MoveIt	Oct 2015	#76
True, I don't really keep up with "Branding" because it changes so frequently,	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#78
"Moderate" is not a dirty word.	JohnnyRingo	Oct 2015	#133
Correction	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#189
I'm not hearing the same enthusiasm you are.	JohnnyRingo	Oct 2015	#214
...	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#227
Yeah, "moderate" is a dirty word, misinformed voters notwithstanding.	Scuba	Oct 2015	#217
I'm not sure how to take that	JohnnyRingo	Oct 2015	#219
Hey, if Ohio voters think Hillary is "too liberal" then they're misinformed as ...	Scuba	Oct 2015	#221
You didn't refer to me (et al) as "ignorant" for not sharing your view	JohnnyRingo	Oct 2015	#230
"I'll waste no more of your time by responding." Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.	Scuba	Oct 2015	#232
And there you have it. By using the qualifier of "Modern" she was stating she was not	LondonReign2	Oct 2015	#80
She's "evolved" on that too to now claim moderate centrist.	aikoaiko	Oct 2015	#139
"Hillary supporters overwhelmingly like Bernie"	oasis	Oct 2015	#7
Same here. He has a lot of admirers in the Hillary camp.	juajen	Oct 2015	#62
i can honestly look at all the candidates	restorefreedom	Oct 2015	#9
Being black is NOTHING like being a self-described "socialist" in our political culture.	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#19
many people are on board with democratic socialist ideas	restorefreedom	Oct 2015	#65
+1	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#74
So do you hate Social Security like you think everyone hates "socialist" the way you do?	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#211
Bunk is right.	TM99	Oct 2015	#12
MANY of the attacks have been NASTY, mean, and rotten. And it's endless. Bernie would be disgusted.	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#20
Have you checked out the Hillary Supporters website -	TBF	Oct 2015	#29
It is a candidate. It isn't your best friend.	TM99	Oct 2015	#55
These posts are always bereft of examples..	frylock	Oct 2015	#184
Oh, please--I think Sanders would disavow a large percentage of the posts being made in	MADem	Oct 2015	#49
One small point.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#106
DLC (not DCL) is in boxes at the Clinton library. It's dead.	MADem	Oct 2015	#127
Oops, sorry for typo. Still say it's about as dead as a zombie. nt	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#132
The Obama wing runs the Democratic Party these days.	MADem	Oct 2015	#138
"Different direction"....? Oooookaaaaay. nt	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#144
Just like Blackwater "no longer exists", and nor does Xe anymore, but Academi LLC does...	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#178
Bingo!!!!	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#118
I can, if you don't hold the values for uplifting society as a whole that Bernie speaks of	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#13
Your statement is the very hyperbole I mention in the OP. Your mind is LOCKED.	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#21
You're right. It's "LOCKED" on voting for the greater good. eom	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#25
And Hillary IS PROGRESSIVE and is for the GREATER GOOD too. So, if you can UNlock for a minute:	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#33
Today's right will be tomorrow's middle	Broward	Oct 2015	#14
Not possible, Broward. The nation's moving leftward again. Big pattern!	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#22
Re "Bernie Sanders would be disgusted with these anti-Hillary posts":	ucrdem	Oct 2015	#16
Fact free content from Hillary	Demeter	Oct 2015	#48
They are facts, they are free, they are here for all to see	ucrdem	Oct 2015	#148
HRC Really?	phoenixpcrod	Oct 2015	#26
The OP just glosses over the "Third Way" issue without any arguements to support the denial.	Dustlawyer	Oct 2015	#30
"SOCIALIST SOCIALIST SOCIALIST"	TBF	Oct 2015	#31
Correct. The right already calls Obama a Socialist.	thesquanderer	Oct 2015	#70
No.	99Forever	Oct 2015	#35
I could be happy with either candidate	spinbaby	Oct 2015	#38
She has my vote.	MADem	Oct 2015	#39
The whole name-calling/hectoring schtick leaves me cold--MADem	DisgustipatedinCA	Oct 2015	#126
Nope. It defies logic.	Fuddnik	Oct 2015	#42
AND facts.	Demeter	Oct 2015	#47
No, they cannot	Renew Deal	Oct 2015	#43
I have so many friends that tell me that they really like Bernie, but they are going to vote	LiberalArkie	Oct 2015	#44
Must be so annoying that Bernie's supporters just will not obey you!	djean111	Oct 2015	#45
I'm sorry but voting for Hillary Clinton	nyabingi	Oct 2015	#50
HRC - First Political Leanings - Republican - Now - Republican Lite	cantbeserious	Oct 2015	#54
You`re really, really persistent with this anti-Bernie stuff.	democrank	Oct 2015	#56
Pick an issue where Hillary holds a better position.	Fearless	Oct 2015	#59
Sometimes we have to look at electability	Ineeda	Oct 2015	#64
Got it....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#158
I hardly think being a Republican	Ineeda	Oct 2015	#171
Well you voted for Charlie....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#173
No. I guess I wasn't clear. I voted for Meek.	Ineeda	Oct 2015	#212
Nope. I cannot. The differences are so fundamental.	Ed Suspicious	Oct 2015	#66
ER, check the walls of you own house to make sure they'e not made of glass	Armstead	Oct 2015	#67
"Just ain't gonna happen."	freedom fighter jh	Oct 2015	#72
Sanders is not a socialist	MyNameGoesHere	Oct 2015	#75
But manny here argue that Obama is a republican, because he compared some policies to theirs ONCE.	bettyellen	Oct 2015	#194
I almost agree with you.	thesquanderer	Oct 2015	#81
I think the red-baiting against Obama has ironically defanged the term "socialist"	zazen	Oct 2015	#82
The nuts just throw out "communist", "fascist", "nazi", "socialist" to describe Obama...	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#187
There's a reason why the right are so intent on demonizing socialism.	Cheese Sandwich	Oct 2015	#86
K&R!	stonecutter357	Oct 2015	#89
Tired of status quo	rnk6670	Oct 2015	#96
I don't	pinebox	Oct 2015	#101
No!!!	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#102
There does seem to be a lot of vitriol toward Hillary by telephone Sanders supporters	liberal N proud	Oct 2015	#105
Do you know why that is?	pinebox	Oct 2015	#119
If supporters are a reflection of the candidate then I can't support them	liberal N proud	Oct 2015	#174
We'll do it without you..	frylock	Oct 2015	#188
You should be declared	pinebox	Oct 2015	#202
I think I will wait and see	liberal N proud	Oct 2015	#210
Hai	feeltheburn	Oct 2015	#114
K & R, very good post.	Thinkingabout	Oct 2015	#116
If Hillary is the Nominee.....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#136
Pllaying right into the republican hand, this is what they want.	Thinkingabout	Oct 2015	#154
This Line is Tired....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#155
There is a loud segment of Bernie supporters who are always disgruntled.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#121
Just as....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#162
I did not say all ... I said a "loud segment".	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#163
Because they are delusional, dishonest, or both.	Motown_Johnny	Oct 2015	#123
If you prefer.....	marble falls	Oct 2015	#124
Hillary represents the policies of the past	left-of-center2012	Oct 2015	#128
No I cannot see ANY reason to vote for Hillary.	bowens43	Oct 2015	#130
I will, if necessary, vote for her in the general.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#135
to think everything in your first paragraph	treestar	Oct 2015	#168
This using DLC as a perjorative is naive and ignorant	Gman	Oct 2015	#134
Oh, I'm old enough to remember both.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#151
The good tremendously outweighs any not so good	Gman	Oct 2015	#172
Any D beats any R in my book, but...	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#197
And the D's are guilty of being in bed with them	Gman	Oct 2015	#213
Thanks. The Puritopians on this site	redstateblues	Oct 2015	#228
The vast majority of them weren't even born yet	Gman	Oct 2015	#233
Enough already	Perogie	Oct 2015	#140
Opinions differ on qualifications. I don't think Hillary is qualified.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Oct 2015	#146
I Don't Pay Attention to All the Banter ...	KPN	Oct 2015	#147
Really. (re ignoring banter)	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#199
Of course.	MuseRider	Oct 2015	#160
It has something to do with why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch	Scootaloo	Oct 2015	#161
You were fine right up until you dived right into the anti-Bernie screed.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#164
No	ronnykmarshall	Oct 2015	#167
Quarter million dollar speech to CitiBank! Iraq War Vote!	Dems to Win	Oct 2015	#170
Socialism	DemocratSinceBirth	Oct 2015	#175
No	cantbeserious	Oct 2015	#176
Hillary is simply untrustworthy	Android3.14	Oct 2015	#181
Sanders is as good as, or better than Clinton on EVERY issue..	frylock	Oct 2015	#182
Honestly, no, I can't.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#186
No, I cannot comprehend it	AgingAmerican	Oct 2015	#195
You should thank Bernie for bringing some excitement to the party.	Live and Learn	Oct 2015	#196
Not really.	Vinca	Oct 2015	#201
Anti-Hillary posts? Meet kettle:	beam me up scottie	Oct 2015	#205
100% for Bernie	SoapBox	Oct 2015	#206
Ok I will play	silenttigersong	Oct 2015	#209
I mean she was only one of the founders of the DLC, how in the world would someone think she is	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#218
The 63% prefer Sanders n/t	eridani	Oct 2015	#220
No, I personally cannot fathom why any Democrat would prefer Hillary.	Chan790	Oct 2015	#223
I was with you until the Socialist point	deutsey	Oct 2015	#224
Sure they just have different priorities and values then I do	YabaDabaNoDinoNo	Oct 2015	#231
FFS, another "Bernie can't win" post. LOL, can you say "desperate"? Nt	Logical	Oct 2015	#235

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