Thank you for your efforts. (Reply #185)

In the discussion thread: Can Bernie supporters comprehend why someone would prefer Hillary over Bernie? [View all]

Sun Oct 4, 2015, 01:02 PM

Thor_MN (11,843 posts)

185. Thank you for your efforts.

Sanders has yet to be challenged by the GOP. If he gets the nomination, that will be when the difference between being a Socialist and a Democratic Socialist will become important. If the response is to simply state "I'm a Democratic Socialist", the average person will only hear "I'm a Socialist".

Hell, most conservatives already believe that Democrats are Socialists. All "I'm a Democratic Socialist" accomplishes is confirming their beliefs.

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239 replies	Author	Time	Post
Can Bernie supporters comprehend why someone would prefer Hillary over Bernie? [View all]	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	OP
I'm voting for HRC in my primary	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#1
Sanders supporters are not that...please reconsider your words. For shame.	Fred Sanders	Oct 2015	#5
Thanks Fred	JackInGreen	Oct 2015	#226
So, anyone with an opinion different from your is "an idiot".	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#8
Political wishful thinking, yes. Idiocy, no. See this link:	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#27
Well, just a week or so ago	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#34
"Democratic Socialist"	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#84
Thanks.	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#90
I like "FDR Democrat" as well.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#94
I believe Bernie can also obtain some crossover vote from Republicans.	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#103
Can't imagine an R voting for Hillary, true. nt	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#111
The GOP does not support socialism	Gothmog	Oct 2015	#203
Good OP-I am supporting Hillary Clinton because I simply do not think that Sanders is electable	Gothmog	Oct 2015	#204
Is there a difference to the average voting person?	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#108
He is. It's called "stating his positions."	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#137
You are missing the point.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#145
You think the Sanders campaign is	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#152
No, you placed the burden on others to find out what Democratic Socialist means.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#159
Oh, you mean me personally.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#192
I can answer that since I have been out on the streets supporting Bernie.	Live and Learn	Oct 2015	#180
Thank you for your efforts.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#185
Bernie is quite adept at explaining the difference himself.	Live and Learn	Oct 2015	#190
My point is that he needs to.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#191
He is doing his best (quite well, actually) in person and through social media.	Live and Learn	Oct 2015	#193
I believe you ascribe far to much dislike for the term "socialist" in today's society.	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#207
I believe you conflate my opinions with the average person's.	Thor_MN	Oct 2015	#208
Thanks	Thespian2	Oct 2015	#98
Sanders is not looking to dismantle capitalism. He's basically a staunch libeal/progressive	Armstead	Oct 2015	#58
I never imagined I would live to see those basic principles become radical.	Autumn	Oct 2015	#71
Because maybe, just maybe, it is time to make a real change	iwillalwayswonderwhy	Oct 2015	#61
Could you	liberalmike27	Oct 2015	#77
I don't know where to begin with this reply and your OP.	pangaia	Oct 2015	#93
"Sanders realizes somebody has to try to fix things."	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#117
Clara-Jumi soon. :>))))	pangaia	Oct 2015	#149
You lucky duck!	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#157
With the corporatist propaganda from the likes of RW talk radio and both "bought" parties...	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#165
This poll was brought up a while ago and debunked. It only includes data from those who're 56+.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#166
I wonder if they also threw the term in "communist" how that would be looked at in polling too...	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#169
You know jack shit about getting Democrats elected.	frylock	Oct 2015	#183
Because every "He's not electable and he's about to show why; just watch." hurdle...	Chan790	Oct 2015	#225
that's what you are going to take from that?	treestar	Oct 2015	#97
It would seem that you did not read the entire post.	Bohunk68	Oct 2015	#23
Wow did you guys miss the point	gwheezie	Oct 2015	#37
Yes you were nt	Duckhunter935	Oct 2015	#53
Reading comprehension is clearly NOT your strong suit	66 dmhlt	Oct 2015	#73
Sure	Duckhunter935	Oct 2015	#79
NO - you clearly can NOT! But I'll help you out:	66 dmhlt	Oct 2015	#83
Oh come on.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#88
There was no "implication" at all. But since you claim ...	66 dmhlt	Oct 2015	#215
Okey dokey. And you read mine.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#216
And s/he made NO claim (overt or implied) that non-HRC supporters are idiots ...	66 dmhlt	Oct 2015	#229
Well, I've extracted all the amusement I care to from this exchange. nt	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#234
Yes they jumped on that chance to be offended	treestar	Oct 2015	#99
Well, I guess it was too good a chance to pass up...! But seriously,	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#122
" Especially by the assertions that the post didn't imply (yeah, "imply") what it implied."	JTFrog	Oct 2015	#153
I don't generally remember posters.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#156
This message was self-deleted by its author	JTFrog	Oct 2015	#150
Wow that's civil	Duckhunter935	Oct 2015	#51
I found it interesting that Bernie's appearance could be a factor to some.	olegramps	Oct 2015	#104
I feel the same way!	Walk away	Oct 2015	#236
Great post. I agree with this completely.	DanTex	Oct 2015	#2
Settling is not a strategy	Fearless	Oct 2015	#63
And I hope Hillary supporters read up on Third Way and what its done to the Democratic Party.	RiverLover	Oct 2015	#222
Why would you strongly campaign for Sanders in the general if he can't possibly win?	Vattel	Oct 2015	#3
Frankly	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#10
I believe ALL HRC supporters would back Bernie in the general to fight what	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#17
Comments	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#24
I think you're making way too much of a little toss-in. We all tend to assume	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#32
That post pretty much validates my thinking that many Clinton supporters	Doctor_J	Oct 2015	#41
My sentiments exactly.	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#46
+1	daleanime	Oct 2015	#91
If not "want," exactly	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#92
right. They are willing to accept all of those in exchange for	Doctor_J	Oct 2015	#109
Even while Roe v Wade becomes moot.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#115
Except with the insidious RWers, you keep abortion rights but . . . end up	Nay	Oct 2015	#142
No, they disagree about the logistics	treestar	Oct 2015	#198
And apparently many BS supporters wear tin foil hats...	Walk away	Oct 2015	#238
exactly, people would try even against the odds	treestar	Oct 2015	#113
Umhm. Except odds for the 2016 White House are in our favor. It's ours to hold.	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#179
I don't have to. I live in a blue state so I can just skip the top line! Nt	Walk away	Oct 2015	#237
Yep, their confidences is in the machine.	zeemike	Oct 2015	#57
Yeah, but	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#95
Well perhaps some of them will be recipients of that suction.	zeemike	Oct 2015	#110
GLAD you asked, as I knew someone would. HERE is why I would still campaign BIGTIME for Sanders:	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#11
Let's turn it around. Here is why I will support Hillary in the general, if she is the nominee.	rogerashton	Oct 2015	#60
Thanks. That makes sense.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#69
"He Can't Win,"	liberalmike27	Oct 2015	#85
Dividing the left mentally up into "us" and "them" may satisfy something inside you,	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#239
Huh? In the unlikely event he wins as Democratic nominee	treestar	Oct 2015	#100
I think you misunderstood me.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#107
Letting the GOP win would be pointless.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#112
RBI said that Sanders couldn't possibly win the GE but that he or she would campaign on his behalf	Vattel	Oct 2015	#120
One would do so because giving up is not an option in the General.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#125
if sanders can't win, and he is the democratic nominee,	Vattel	Oct 2015	#129
You are explaining why you would give up.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#131
After reading RBI's response, I would keep fighting even if I knew the Repub would win.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#141
Yes, you keep fighting anyway.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#143
cool. we agree	Vattel	Oct 2015	#177
The goal is to put as many dems in office as we can.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#200
You should put this paragraph you wrote in a frame:	Fred Sanders	Oct 2015	#4
Yes.	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#15
GREAT POINT. I hope people respond.	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#28
Hey, not all posts belong in frames. :)	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#87
She denies being a progressive. Are you saying she's lying?	Scuba	Oct 2015	#6
You're wrong. In fact in the '08 debates she described herself as a "Modern Progressive."	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#18
What's a "modern progressive"?	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#36
"I've been accused of being a moderate. I plead guilty." -HRC	Scuba	Oct 2015	#40
Apparently "centrist" is the new "Modern Progressive",	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#52
Yep. Neauseating.	Scuba	Oct 2015	#68
ANOTHER thing us Bernie Supporters are horrible at!	MoveIt	Oct 2015	#76
True, I don't really keep up with "Branding" because it changes so frequently,	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#78
"Moderate" is not a dirty word.	JohnnyRingo	Oct 2015	#133
Correction	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#189
I'm not hearing the same enthusiasm you are.	JohnnyRingo	Oct 2015	#214
...	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#227
Yeah, "moderate" is a dirty word, misinformed voters notwithstanding.	Scuba	Oct 2015	#217
I'm not sure how to take that	JohnnyRingo	Oct 2015	#219
Hey, if Ohio voters think Hillary is "too liberal" then they're misinformed as ...	Scuba	Oct 2015	#221
You didn't refer to me (et al) as "ignorant" for not sharing your view	JohnnyRingo	Oct 2015	#230
"I'll waste no more of your time by responding." Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.	Scuba	Oct 2015	#232
And there you have it. By using the qualifier of "Modern" she was stating she was not	LondonReign2	Oct 2015	#80
She's "evolved" on that too to now claim moderate centrist.	aikoaiko	Oct 2015	#139
"Hillary supporters overwhelmingly like Bernie"	oasis	Oct 2015	#7
Same here. He has a lot of admirers in the Hillary camp.	juajen	Oct 2015	#62
i can honestly look at all the candidates	restorefreedom	Oct 2015	#9
Being black is NOTHING like being a self-described "socialist" in our political culture.	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#19
many people are on board with democratic socialist ideas	restorefreedom	Oct 2015	#65
+1	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#74
So do you hate Social Security like you think everyone hates "socialist" the way you do?	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#211
Bunk is right.	TM99	Oct 2015	#12
MANY of the attacks have been NASTY, mean, and rotten. And it's endless. Bernie would be disgusted.	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#20
Have you checked out the Hillary Supporters website -	TBF	Oct 2015	#29
It is a candidate. It isn't your best friend.	TM99	Oct 2015	#55
These posts are always bereft of examples..	frylock	Oct 2015	#184
Oh, please--I think Sanders would disavow a large percentage of the posts being made in	MADem	Oct 2015	#49
One small point.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#106
DLC (not DCL) is in boxes at the Clinton library. It's dead.	MADem	Oct 2015	#127
Oops, sorry for typo. Still say it's about as dead as a zombie. nt	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#132
The Obama wing runs the Democratic Party these days.	MADem	Oct 2015	#138
"Different direction"....? Oooookaaaaay. nt	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#144
Just like Blackwater "no longer exists", and nor does Xe anymore, but Academi LLC does...	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#178
Bingo!!!!	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#118
I can, if you don't hold the values for uplifting society as a whole that Bernie speaks of	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#13
Your statement is the very hyperbole I mention in the OP. Your mind is LOCKED.	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#21
You're right. It's "LOCKED" on voting for the greater good. eom	NorthCarolina	Oct 2015	#25
And Hillary IS PROGRESSIVE and is for the GREATER GOOD too. So, if you can UNlock for a minute:	RBInMaine	Oct 2015	#33
Today's right will be tomorrow's middle	Broward	Oct 2015	#14
Not possible, Broward. The nation's moving leftward again. Big pattern!	Hortensis	Oct 2015	#22
Re "Bernie Sanders would be disgusted with these anti-Hillary posts":	ucrdem	Oct 2015	#16
Fact free content from Hillary	Demeter	Oct 2015	#48
They are facts, they are free, they are here for all to see	ucrdem	Oct 2015	#148
HRC Really?	phoenixpcrod	Oct 2015	#26
The OP just glosses over the "Third Way" issue without any arguements to support the denial.	Dustlawyer	Oct 2015	#30
"SOCIALIST SOCIALIST SOCIALIST"	TBF	Oct 2015	#31
Correct. The right already calls Obama a Socialist.	thesquanderer	Oct 2015	#70
No.	99Forever	Oct 2015	#35
I could be happy with either candidate	spinbaby	Oct 2015	#38
She has my vote.	MADem	Oct 2015	#39
The whole name-calling/hectoring schtick leaves me cold--MADem	DisgustipatedinCA	Oct 2015	#126
Nope. It defies logic.	Fuddnik	Oct 2015	#42
AND facts.	Demeter	Oct 2015	#47
No, they cannot	Renew Deal	Oct 2015	#43
I have so many friends that tell me that they really like Bernie, but they are going to vote	LiberalArkie	Oct 2015	#44
Must be so annoying that Bernie's supporters just will not obey you!	djean111	Oct 2015	#45
I'm sorry but voting for Hillary Clinton	nyabingi	Oct 2015	#50
HRC - First Political Leanings - Republican - Now - Republican Lite	cantbeserious	Oct 2015	#54
You`re really, really persistent with this anti-Bernie stuff.	democrank	Oct 2015	#56
Pick an issue where Hillary holds a better position.	Fearless	Oct 2015	#59
Sometimes we have to look at electability	Ineeda	Oct 2015	#64
Got it....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#158
I hardly think being a Republican	Ineeda	Oct 2015	#171
Well you voted for Charlie....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#173
No. I guess I wasn't clear. I voted for Meek.	Ineeda	Oct 2015	#212
Nope. I cannot. The differences are so fundamental.	Ed Suspicious	Oct 2015	#66
ER, check the walls of you own house to make sure they'e not made of glass	Armstead	Oct 2015	#67
"Just ain't gonna happen."	freedom fighter jh	Oct 2015	#72
Sanders is not a socialist	MyNameGoesHere	Oct 2015	#75
But manny here argue that Obama is a republican, because he compared some policies to theirs ONCE.	bettyellen	Oct 2015	#194
I almost agree with you.	thesquanderer	Oct 2015	#81
I think the red-baiting against Obama has ironically defanged the term "socialist"	zazen	Oct 2015	#82
The nuts just throw out "communist", "fascist", "nazi", "socialist" to describe Obama...	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#187
There's a reason why the right are so intent on demonizing socialism.	Cheese Sandwich	Oct 2015	#86
K&R!	stonecutter357	Oct 2015	#89
Tired of status quo	rnk6670	Oct 2015	#96
I don't	pinebox	Oct 2015	#101
No!!!	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#102
There does seem to be a lot of vitriol toward Hillary by telephone Sanders supporters	liberal N proud	Oct 2015	#105
Do you know why that is?	pinebox	Oct 2015	#119
If supporters are a reflection of the candidate then I can't support them	liberal N proud	Oct 2015	#174
We'll do it without you..	frylock	Oct 2015	#188
You should be declared	pinebox	Oct 2015	#202
I think I will wait and see	liberal N proud	Oct 2015	#210
Hai	feeltheburn	Oct 2015	#114
K & R, very good post.	Thinkingabout	Oct 2015	#116
If Hillary is the Nominee.....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#136
Pllaying right into the republican hand, this is what they want.	Thinkingabout	Oct 2015	#154
This Line is Tired....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#155
There is a loud segment of Bernie supporters who are always disgruntled.	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#121
Just as....	LovingA2andMI	Oct 2015	#162
I did not say all ... I said a "loud segment".	JoePhilly	Oct 2015	#163
Because they are delusional, dishonest, or both.	Motown_Johnny	Oct 2015	#123
If you prefer.....	marble falls	Oct 2015	#124
Hillary represents the policies of the past	left-of-center2012	Oct 2015	#128
No I cannot see ANY reason to vote for Hillary.	bowens43	Oct 2015	#130
I will, if necessary, vote for her in the general.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#135
to think everything in your first paragraph	treestar	Oct 2015	#168
This using DLC as a perjorative is naive and ignorant	Gman	Oct 2015	#134
Oh, I'm old enough to remember both.	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#151
The good tremendously outweighs any not so good	Gman	Oct 2015	#172
Any D beats any R in my book, but...	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#197
And the D's are guilty of being in bed with them	Gman	Oct 2015	#213
Thanks. The Puritopians on this site	redstateblues	Oct 2015	#228
The vast majority of them weren't even born yet	Gman	Oct 2015	#233
Enough already	Perogie	Oct 2015	#140
Opinions differ on qualifications. I don't think Hillary is qualified.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Oct 2015	#146
I Don't Pay Attention to All the Banter ...	KPN	Oct 2015	#147
Really. (re ignoring banter)	SusanCalvin	Oct 2015	#199
Of course.	MuseRider	Oct 2015	#160
It has something to do with why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch	Scootaloo	Oct 2015	#161
You were fine right up until you dived right into the anti-Bernie screed.	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#164
No	ronnykmarshall	Oct 2015	#167
Quarter million dollar speech to CitiBank! Iraq War Vote!	Dems to Win	Oct 2015	#170
Socialism	DemocratSinceBirth	Oct 2015	#175
No	cantbeserious	Oct 2015	#176
Hillary is simply untrustworthy	Android3.14	Oct 2015	#181
Sanders is as good as, or better than Clinton on EVERY issue..	frylock	Oct 2015	#182
Honestly, no, I can't.	Fawke Em	Oct 2015	#186
No, I cannot comprehend it	AgingAmerican	Oct 2015	#195
You should thank Bernie for bringing some excitement to the party.	Live and Learn	Oct 2015	#196
Not really.	Vinca	Oct 2015	#201
Anti-Hillary posts? Meet kettle:	beam me up scottie	Oct 2015	#205
100% for Bernie	SoapBox	Oct 2015	#206
Ok I will play	silenttigersong	Oct 2015	#209
I mean she was only one of the founders of the DLC, how in the world would someone think she is	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#218
The 63% prefer Sanders n/t	eridani	Oct 2015	#220
No, I personally cannot fathom why any Democrat would prefer Hillary.	Chan790	Oct 2015	#223
I was with you until the Socialist point	deutsey	Oct 2015	#224
Sure they just have different priorities and values then I do	YabaDabaNoDinoNo	Oct 2015	#231
FFS, another "Bernie can't win" post. LOL, can you say "desperate"? Nt	Logical	Oct 2015	#235

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