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TM99

(8,352 posts)
90. I too want to see the polls
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:38 AM
Oct 2015

however my studies of both statistics and psychology trend my view towards all polls as being very misleading and not always accurate, even the best ones. For example, Silver performed well for a time when he was not actually involved in punditry. Now that he is, he and his team are making mistakes. We have blurred the lines in politics too much between the subjective and the objective.

I tend to look now more at the pendulum swing of the American populace's opinion. It was pretty obvious once I saw Obama's marketing campaign (Hope & Change) in 2008 that he would win after the Bush years even if it was just a well packaged lie. I grew up in a moderate Republican bi-racial household. It was pretty easy after the Reagan/Bush/Bush II years of establishment power to see that a populist movement was developing there. The Tea Party was not surprising - the best of populism with the worst of the bigotry, religious insanity, and Randian egotism.

There is a populist movement growing on the left as well. It is very dissatisfied with the New Dems. It is rejecting neoliberalism economic policies and the leftist version of neo-conservativism in foreign policies. It is striving for a true blending of economic and social justice. And interesting article in a recent newsletter from the Mises Institute said that Sanders and Democratic Socialism are not outliers. This movement is very real, very strong, and growing within the left side of the political spectrum. Their conclusions are not mine, however, I do agree with their observations and assessment.

If Sanders does not take the White House in 2016, I am fairly confident in predicting that progressive Democratic Socialism will continue to rise. The anger and passion are there. 2018 & 2020 will see these candidates winning locally and nationally. I just hope that there is time before a Tea Partier becomes President. At this point I do not see Clinton beating the GOP in 2016.

Just some musings on the subject.

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I declare her the winner of the 7th debate!! jeff47 Oct 2015 #1
:D C Moon Oct 2015 #48
And as long as hcs remains phpBB Aerows Oct 2015 #52
You think that's something? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #2
No. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #3
Indeed, everyone knows pundits are far more qualified than we mere proles Fumesucker Oct 2015 #6
I could care less what the pundits say. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #7
Then you don't agree with the pundits' analysis that Clinton is the clear winner? Joey Joe Joe Oct 2015 #22
Oh i agree she is the winner but i didn't need them to tell me that. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #29
Same reason I felt Bernie won. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #58
Hmmmn.. frylock Oct 2015 #13
You make me like hillary less every day, weird! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #74
There is nothing you or your friends here can say that could ever turn me off to Sanders. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #77
Some of your posts are just silly! nt Logical Oct 2015 #78
Some of yours are just ridiculous. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #79
LOL Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #80
Will this feelthebern.org researcher agree with you? MADem Oct 2015 #4
Idunno MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #17
We'll have to wait until the next debate to do that, won't we? nt MADem Oct 2015 #25
Why? nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #30
I don't think a FTB.org reseacher will answer a hypothetical question, do you? nt MADem Oct 2015 #31
Idunno MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #35
I think you should, since you're both rooting for the same team, and all, and it's MADem Oct 2015 #36
You seem to have written a nonsequitor MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #38
Why would you even want to join? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #5
To meet nice constructive and decent people, of course. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #57
The booze might be free, Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #70
And it's spiked with meth. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #96
We would like to maintain the nie constructive and decent. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #73
lol!! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #8
You know what's funny? It's evident that DU is now more reliable than CNN is! Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #9
You're surprised they deleted an online poll? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #11
The old polls used to be active for 24 hours. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #15
Perhaps the thousands of votes linked from just a few websites Dem2 Oct 2015 #56
You have empirical proof of this assertion, right? TM99 Oct 2015 #71
Yes Dem2 Oct 2015 #81
A single link on Reddit TM99 Oct 2015 #82
There are many more Dem2 Oct 2015 #83
So still no proof, only supposition. TM99 Oct 2015 #85
I don't disagree - social media buzz is a good thing and Bernie will continue to win that battle. Dem2 Oct 2015 #87
I too want to see the polls TM99 Oct 2015 #90
The polls at the other sites are still up. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #63
What about scholars? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #10
I've published more books than those scholars MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #16
Ooh, what genre? n/t Joey Joe Joe Oct 2015 #24
Adult entertainment. MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #28
I guess that makes you more qualified.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #59
You do keep me entertained Manny and I thank you. Autumn Oct 2015 #84
Sexting doesn't count as publishing. Sheeesh! rhett o rick Oct 2015 #93
Senator Markey? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #27
Do you guys ever read the articles you link to? TM99 Oct 2015 #72
Of course I read it. Seems like a fair analysis. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #86
Then say that instead of TM99 Oct 2015 #88
Did you read it? Particularly the article headline. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #91
Obviously, I summarized it accurately TM99 Oct 2015 #92
her poor rivals FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #12
I saw that. Old Crow Oct 2015 #21
Not only that HRC also won the ZEROTH debate as well Fumesucker Oct 2015 #14
That must have been held solely for engineers. MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #18
I wonder who Third Way Steven thinks won? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #55
eventually, she will jump into the complex plane and win the i-th debate aidbo Oct 2015 #23
Hillary: "I discovered Euler's Formula" nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #26
'I have divided by zero!' aidbo Oct 2015 #32
"Without setting a flag!" nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #34
look at this! people with engineering backgrounds and physics backgrounds feeling the Bern together aidbo Oct 2015 #37
You a physics person? nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #41
didn't finish the degree, dropped out 3rd year. but I try to keep up w/ the times. aidbo Oct 2015 #43
Yeah, EE degree MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #51
My physics profs scared me away from EE with all the circuit diagraming. aidbo Oct 2015 #53
What channel is that on? frylock Oct 2015 #45
THC, The "History" Channel. THC. aidbo Oct 2015 #49
Ah. I tune in nightly! frylock Oct 2015 #50
I'm with you on this! (can I come to that other site too?) cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #19
Jamie and Lloyd say thanks! moondust Oct 2015 #20
Very funny. zentrum Oct 2015 #33
I just about puked today watching Mark Halperin on MSNBC Morning Shmoe. YOHABLO Oct 2015 #39
But but but it was Mark Halperin.. frylock Oct 2015 #46
careful, If you say his name three times in a row he appears! aidbo Oct 2015 #97
rofl! SusanaMontana41 Oct 2015 #40
Manny, stop grovelling, it's embarrassing! Lol! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #42
Science is good! MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #44
Very reluctantly, I must agree with MannyGoldstein. Hillary won the second debate hands down. merrily Oct 2015 #47
I felt that Hillary won. Dem2 Oct 2015 #54
Hillary wins the 10 extra debates she'll get after she's behind in the polls jfern Oct 2015 #60
Don't let it get you down. zeemike Oct 2015 #61
that's nothing marym625 Oct 2015 #62
And two Nobel Prizes: Physics and Literature. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #65
I know, right!? she was clearly robbed! marym625 Oct 2015 #66
hands down winner of the third debate olddots Oct 2015 #64
I tried joining. joshcryer Oct 2015 #67
Oh Come On, Humpty-Dumpty Will Be The Leader ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #68
reccing for your question. cui bono Oct 2015 #69
Perfect post Manny! The hillary fans wont get it though! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #75
Wow, that butt must REALLY hurt. Adrahil Oct 2015 #76
Oh my. 99Forever Oct 2015 #89
I hope someone wrote down a comparison of her stands on issues vs. Sen Sanders. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #94
Can Bernie win Debates # 2.718281828.. and 3.14159265359.. lostnfound Oct 2015 #95
We are all getting mathy up in here! aidbo Oct 2015 #98
I always believe the official story CJCRANE Oct 2015 #99
Manny you are THE BEST!!!! mooseprime Oct 2015 #100
This is great news for Hillary!!! Bernblu Oct 2015 #101
Technically speaking Aerows Oct 2015 #102
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