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2016 Postmortem

oasis

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15. Simply put, in 2004 Democrats blamed Bush/Cheney for the war.

Reply to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:19 AM

Oct 2015

At least the ones with their heads screwed on correctly.

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Why did Howard Dean lose in the 2004 primary to a guy who voted for the IWR? [View all] Nye Bevan Oct 2015 OP

HILLARY DID IT!! /sarcasm <--- cause this is needed around here uponit7771 Oct 2015 #1

In 2004 we didn't yet know the full damage from the Iraq War. Now we know. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #2

You could say the same thing about the Clinton. Raine1967 Oct 2015 #3

She should have know better though because as a Senator it's your job to know stuff Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #5

Kerry was a senator. Should he have known better? Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #9

Yeah he should have known better. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #10

So in 2004 and earlier supporting the Iraq war was excusable? (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #6

Certainly not for a US Senator. But for voters it probably seemed like we were "winning" the war. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #7

But in 2002, Clinton's crystal ball showed her the full damage? McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #21

No she just as very shitty judgement. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #22

Sanders' crystal ball showed him the invasion would de-stabilize the entire Middle East. merrily Oct 2015 #26

oh, ffs bigtree Oct 2015 #35

If you got a better answer I guess you could speak your mind Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #36

Losing in Iowa equals crashing and burning now? Seems like only a very short time merrily Oct 2015 #4

I would consider third place in Iowa to be crashing and burning (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #8

As in Obama, Edwards, Clinton? merrily Oct 2015 #12

well played, merrily. :) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #14

because people didn't think Kerry supported the war or would have went to war himself JI7 Oct 2015 #11

I disagree, his campaign was still viable That Guy 888 Oct 2015 #13

I agree--and I was both relatively uninformed then and set on voting for Kerry. merrily Oct 2015 #27

+1 And the DNC wanted him out so they simply snickered and let it play out Live and Learn Oct 2015 #34

Simply put, in 2004 Democrats blamed Bush/Cheney for the war. oasis Oct 2015 #15

What is your point here? Ken Burch Oct 2015 #16

My take... Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #17

Good analysis, and this WAS significant, lasted for a while: elleng Oct 2015 #18

I'll also throw out there that the Gore endorsement hurt Dean... Drunken Irishman Oct 2015 #19

Because it's only bad if Clinton does it, silly. McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #20

Who else who is running for the Democratic nomination NOW voted for the invasion (AND advocated for merrily Oct 2015 #29

Because voters thought that killing a lot of people was OK. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #23

The General Public and even of Democrats treestar Oct 2015 #24

2004 was to early to know what a disaster that vote was.... Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #25

Actually, Sanders and others knew what a disaster that vote was before the vote was taken. merrily Oct 2015 #30

Could be the same reason Terry McAuliffe INdemo Oct 2015 #28

The entire DLC/New Democrat contingent was against Dean. merrily Oct 2015 #31

Bush was running on national security and no one could picture Howard as C-in-C BeyondGeography Oct 2015 #32

Clue #1: Zorra Oct 2015 #33

Who cares? 99Forever Oct 2015 #37

The "Dean Scream" (that wasn't really a scream) was on an endless loop, on every network for weeks in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #38