2016 Postmortem

cui bono

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292. Yeah, but he got arrested protesting for civil rights. You can't take that away from him

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:52 AM

Oct 2015

try as you might.

That letter - which quite frankly I do not know is real or not - could have been sent by anyone claiming to be a Sanders supporter. Or the whole thing could have been fabricated. Because this is the internet. You can't believe everything you read or see on it.

So yeah, you are misdirecting your anger completely. It is so irrational to blame Bernie for what you are blaming him. It's quite ludicrous actually.

There are plenty of blacks who are comfortable supporting Bernie. Fact of the matter is, this whole racial meme against Bernie has been going on for months now and you are one of the few who just has to try to keep making it a thing.

He's not racist. His record shows that.

He has a strong racial justice platform for this campaign.
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-black-rights/

He has fought for racial equality for DECADES.

BLM activists think he "gets it" more than Hillary does.

You directing your anger towards him and trying to smear him on racial grounds is simply unfounded. You would honestly be doing yourself a favor by staying away from DU and especially from the Clinton Cave. I think that place just pushed you to a whole other level. I honestly don't know why I'm trying to have a reasonable exchange with someone who would participate in a place that spews hatred of all kinds like that place does.

But I did want to find out more info about that vote you keep referring to. If you'd like to provide it I will look into it. If not, then I'll have to assume it's not what you say it is.

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Third Way Progressives, Screwing the Plebs [View all] bravenak Oct 2015 OP

Holy Shits Batman! randys1 Oct 2015 #1

Hey Dad!! Send money for 'books'!! bravenak Oct 2015 #3

OK, I am good for a book or two. randys1 Oct 2015 #5

Love you bravenak Oct 2015 #6

Have you been talking toBabyGirl 1SBM? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #9

The kids in my class were planning to call their parents for money. bravenak Oct 2015 #14

See what happens when you want your baby girl to go to college? leftofcool Oct 2015 #25

What is a nagger? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #30

A white person called a Black person a "race nagger" on DU, because the Black person randys1 Oct 2015 #33

How do you know they were white? Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2015 #438

It is a punchline of a premise to a South Park episode jberryhill Oct 2015 #193

No one is saying you are wrong, you are most certainly correct. djean111 Oct 2015 #2

Thank you bravenak Oct 2015 #4

To be clear, I just stated that her argument was wrong. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #229

If St Ronnie ever runs again I certainly would never vote for him. Autumn Oct 2015 #7

I hate Ronnie more than any other president in living memory. bravenak Oct 2015 #11

I am a Latina woman and I have children and Grandchildren. Hillary does nothing for me. Autumn Oct 2015 #18

I have no trust in anybody running. No reason to. bravenak Oct 2015 #22

As a Latina and experiencing it first hand I feel that Autumn Oct 2015 #26

They are interwined. bravenak Oct 2015 #29

All rights are being used as a bargaining chip and they will be used until we change the system. Autumn Oct 2015 #34

Ours have been used most and we are THE MOST TIRED OF IT. bravenak Oct 2015 #42

For profit prisons became the norm under the War on Drugs by the Reagan administration. Autumn Oct 2015 #82

Yes. I hate all reagan voters and do not forgive them. bravenak Oct 2015 #85

Well I have absolutely have no problem voting for Bernie. Autumn Oct 2015 #90

I'm glad. bravenak Oct 2015 #92

You are WAY off on FDR. bvar22 Oct 2015 #57

Why should I care about rhetoric? bravenak Oct 2015 #69

I'm NOT arguing "rhetoric", bvar22 Oct 2015 #96

I posted a link showing my point. He left us out. I proved my point. bravenak Oct 2015 #97

Not really. My grandfather got veterans benefits, he got Social Security, he worked for decades at TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #109

My grandmother was a domestic. A maid. She was lived out and lived in poverty. bravenak Oct 2015 #112

I'm sorry that was her and many people's lot to be hosed but it is not the whole picture. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #120

I know. I don't get all hero worshippy of any politician. Even Obama. He can handle criticism. bravenak Oct 2015 #123

I think you are way, way wrong on Sanders. His record doesn't even hint at such TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #199

What caused you to conclude Bernie is "right" on social justice? Scuba Oct 2015 #370

Way off again. bvar22 Oct 2015 #388

No. I flipped the term and bastardized it just like some from the 'far left' have done bravenak Oct 2015 #391

I see. bvar22 Oct 2015 #392

Oh no!!! My reality was ignored as I am black. bravenak Oct 2015 #394

Exactly. There's a lot of that going on in this thread cui bono Oct 2015 #396

1) The record was mixed Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #158

His Four Freedoms may have not addressed this issue, bvar22 Oct 2015 #184

That didn't come until 1948 Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #190

As to being left out of the New Deal I am one of the people jwirr Oct 2015 #136

I agree. bravenak Oct 2015 #138

fdr bashing has become standard practice for Clinton supporters on Doctor_J Oct 2015 #189

Who's bashing FDR? Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #192

never mind. I should have trashed this thread. Doctor_J Oct 2015 #194

As you wish... Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #196

WHAT? Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2015 #439

No politician can make major changes on his/her own, Bernie JRLeft Oct 2015 #216

"Hillary is lackluster but she hires us for her staff and positions of power." ieoeja Oct 2015 #408

Good quote? I loved her at the hearing though. She rose in my estimation. bravenak Oct 2015 #410

Based on the records of the Democratic candidates Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #146

+1 bravenak Oct 2015 #151

Yeah. Holding their feet to the fire has worked so well in the past n/t Autumn Oct 2015 #157

Keeping the feet of "bougeois politicians to the fire"... AOR Oct 2015 #183

It worked (in large part) Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #203

Yes LGBT rights were an important victory... AOR Oct 2015 #223

That's very true Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #228

Economic impact under capitalist social relations amounts to crumbs.... AOR Oct 2015 #234

How did it work? jeff47 Oct 2015 #379

K&R! stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #8

Thank you!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #23

Exactly why I hate third-way bullshit marym625 Oct 2015 #10

I see bernie as third way on race. bravenak Oct 2015 #12

Sorry, then you're not listening to him. marym625 Oct 2015 #16

I have been listening to him. bravenak Oct 2015 #20

Correct~ sheshe2 Oct 2015 #27

what? he has very much so discussed it. marym625 Oct 2015 #31

He has not discussed the harassment. I have no idea why you think he has. He declined. bravenak Oct 2015 #35

You cannot blame a candidate for what some people who support them do. cui bono Oct 2015 #58

I damn sure can!! Why ever not? They are doing it in his name and pretending nothing happened! bravenak Oct 2015 #65

Not the same thing at all. The Tea Party is not a person, it is a group. cui bono Oct 2015 #73

You seem much more angry than I am. bravenak Oct 2015 #75

But I'm not. cui bono Oct 2015 #77

Who this racist? bravenak Oct 2015 #81

Is that what you posted? cui bono Oct 2015 #142

Link? Link to my false smear? bravenak Oct 2015 #143

So you are outraged about a vote that happened well before you were posting as a Bernie cui bono Oct 2015 #144

Link to my false smear? bravenak Oct 2015 #145

Explained above, although since I rarely get hides and can afford one I tried to search... cui bono Oct 2015 #147

Let me get that link tho. bravenak Oct 2015 #148

Did you read my post? cui bono Oct 2015 #149

It didn't have that link.... bravenak Oct 2015 #150

So you didn't read it. Okay. cui bono Oct 2015 #154

Oh, I did. It was rude. bravenak Oct 2015 #156

LOL! cui bono Oct 2015 #161

Here's that link... cui bono Oct 2015 #302

Here you go... cui bono Oct 2015 #298

How was that a racist post? bravenak Oct 2015 #299

It's by a racist calling Bernie a racist. I didn't say your post in and of itself was racist. cui bono Oct 2015 #303

Why have you not harassed the stockholm sybdrome guy or the race nagging guy? bravenak Oct 2015 #305

I don't know who the race nagging guy is. cui bono Oct 2015 #307

If my stuff upsets you enough to post this much, why not his? bravenak Oct 2015 #310

Ah... deflection. We're talking about you and your post here. cui bono Oct 2015 #314

Here ya go. Do not see how you missed it. bravenak Oct 2015 #318

Yeah. I can see why a PoC might interpret that differently than a white person cui bono Oct 2015 #319

To us it felt cold and dismissive of our solidarity as an oppressed group. bravenak Oct 2015 #320

But again, you can't throw away a lifetime of fighting for civil rights and racial equality cui bono Oct 2015 #321

See, you say lifetime, I say, in spurts and really mostly in college. bravenak Oct 2015 #322

Okay, so now answer this. Why are you not railing against Hillary? cui bono Oct 2015 #324

Yes, Bernie's racial justice platform is the best according to Campaign Zero jfern Oct 2015 #327

I'll tell you why. bravenak Oct 2015 #330

Again, that's ridiculous. So you're going to vote for someone who's worse on racial issues cui bono Oct 2015 #334

Sorry for me? Lolololol! Other way around. bravenak Oct 2015 #335

The wording was poor jfern Oct 2015 #325

Ok. bravenak Oct 2015 #332

Hardly. I've seen the bile you spew at another site. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #204

result of my jury service. I was #5 delrem Oct 2015 #211

Jesus...the hair-trigger alerters must be out tonight. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #214

Without DU I wouldn't even know about David Brock. delrem Oct 2015 #217

please link me to his "third way social and racial issues" marym625 Oct 2015 #79

He places economic justic above racial justice. Always has. bravenak Oct 2015 #86

please link me to his "third way social and racial issues" marym625 Oct 2015 #103

FINE! bravenak Oct 2015 #104

if you and I can't do this without getting mad, then let's not marym625 Oct 2015 #107

Look at the quote where he says that people shouldn't vote based on their own race. That is wrong. bravenak Oct 2015 #110

A complete distortion of Sander's point Armstead Oct 2015 #113

He was clear on his points and the video is at the link. bravenak Oct 2015 #114

I'm sorry that happened. marym625 Oct 2015 #122

Enjoy your dinner!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #125

Voting on race and not positions will destroy the Democratic party jfern Oct 2015 #171

Then you do not want the black vote? bravenak Oct 2015 #175

I thought you meant voting on race rather than positions on the issues jfern Oct 2015 #180

Explain how will Hillary help us as black people, when she shills for Wall Street? JRLeft Oct 2015 #301

Why would you think I think ANYBODY is gonna do a damn thing unless we force them? bravenak Oct 2015 #306

Now we finally agree on something, only a movement will force them. JRLeft Oct 2015 #308

Yep. bravenak Oct 2015 #309

Of course they shouldn't! Why the hell should rational and decent people vote based on race? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #213

Hear hear! Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #233

You'll be voting for Ben Carson, then, should he win the Republican nomination? (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2015 #232

He is republican. I vote FOR my race. bravenak Oct 2015 #244

Where does he say that? I listened twice and didn't hear it. Can you give me the time in the video? cui bono Oct 2015 #235

Just watch it again. bravenak Oct 2015 #245

Oh, so he doesn't say it. I see. cui bono Oct 2015 #248

Oh, so i need to give you the link, watch it for you, note the time. bravenak Oct 2015 #251

You made the assertion. I told you I watched it twice and read the transcript underneath. cui bono Oct 2015 #272

So at what point in the video does he say that? cui bono Oct 2015 #311

I'm paying attention now. Repeat what you want to know. bravenak Oct 2015 #313

You said he said people shouldn't vote based on their race or something similar. cui bono Oct 2015 #315

Ah! I'll find it, thanks. bravenak Oct 2015 #317

LOL! Jagannathan, Charugundla, Gupta, Cho, Cohen, WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #202

He made it very clear that Sandra Bland would be alive if she was white jfern Oct 2015 #206

He got arrested in the 60's because he was protesting for civil rights. cui bono Oct 2015 #253

The 60s was a long time ago. He voted for mass incarceration after he marched and sat in. bravenak Oct 2015 #256

He's been fighting racial injustice since then. He has a strong platform on racial justice. cui bono Oct 2015 #269

I am not happy with any candidates record on race. bravenak Oct 2015 #277

I'm truly sorry about any racism you experience. It's a horrific thing. cui bono Oct 2015 #283

See... Here's the thing. bravenak Oct 2015 #287

Yeah, but he got arrested protesting for civil rights. You can't take that away from him cui bono Oct 2015 #292

Um hmm. bravenak Oct 2015 #294

So no information about this vote that has you so incensed? cui bono Oct 2015 #316

You seem to be much madder than I am. bravenak Oct 2015 #323

So... no information then? Was there really a vote that pissed you off? cui bono Oct 2015 #326

Many things pissed me off. bravenak Oct 2015 #333

Okay, so this vote apparently never happened since you can't provide a link. cui bono Oct 2015 #336

Most times people smear themselves. bravenak Oct 2015 #337

I think this was about the 1994 crime bill jfern Oct 2015 #338

Thank you. So Hillary is no better than Bernie on this. cui bono Oct 2015 #387

Few? Few? Thousands of them! Thousands! His army.... bravenak Oct 2015 #36

+1 cui bono Oct 2015 #53

And Black Lives Matter never said "Hillary doesn't get it. Bernie does" Number23 Oct 2015 #67

I think people are getting too emotionally involved in the candidate and seeing themselves in him. bravenak Oct 2015 #72

here's the exact quote marym625 Oct 2015 #101

Thank you, that's what I was thinking. heads up Oct 2015 #119

The "response" is there since you seem so incredibly interested. Number23 Oct 2015 #131

Even if you want to take that quote as saying Hillary doesn't get it Number23 Oct 2015 #130

she also said. marym625 Oct 2015 #176

You didn't have to "start" any of this considering that I didn't engage you in the first place Number23 Oct 2015 #212

Mary really. Puglover Oct 2015 #376

I did miss that in the rules! Damn! marym625 Oct 2015 #378

.... Puglover Oct 2015 #380

+1000 ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #382

I love how folks some folks act like they are the only ones who read things around here! Number23 Oct 2015 #424

That is just weird AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #165

Yep bravenak Oct 2015 #166

Weird AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #173

That's total bullshit jfern Oct 2015 #205

Don't be a third way on environment either! artislife Oct 2015 #186

This is great! betsuni Oct 2015 #13

Awesome!!! I'm glad to see you! bravenak Oct 2015 #15

Very happy you're back! betsuni Oct 2015 #19

K&R Absolutely. Skidmore Oct 2015 #17

Yep!! bravenak Oct 2015 #21

Do you understand why average white racists fear blacks? Prism Oct 2015 #24

The shopkeeper does not think poor he thinks nigg@r. bravenak Oct 2015 #28

Of course it is bigoted Prism Oct 2015 #46

Social justice is more important bravenak Oct 2015 #47

Why? Prism Oct 2015 #56

I briefly worked as a store detective during my college years and did witness this sort of racism... cascadiance Oct 2015 #55

Thank you. This was really good and illustrates the problem perfectly. bravenak Oct 2015 #164

The OP is a bunch of straw man arguments and false choices. Sorry. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #32

Third way progressives tend to minimize things and not notice their own failures. bravenak Oct 2015 #39

So the OP life experiences are invalidated, got it. randys1 Oct 2015 #40

This attitudes is exactly why I Skidmore Oct 2015 #48

Is she getting a bit too uppity?? Number23 Oct 2015 #71

Your jury results: sufrommich Oct 2015 #185

Wow. Some people work hard as hell to pretend that someone called them racist, don't they?? Number23 Oct 2015 #225

I imagine juror #1 busily sweeping any mention of racism under the rug. betsuni Oct 2015 #295

THIS> "I'm not seeing an accusation of racism per say but an education on the use of "uppity" and.. Cha Oct 2015 #290

By your definition you didn't use "uppity" correctly. Yesterday I did, and in the correct way. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #200

Me and apparently everyone here but you understands what the word "uppity" means Number23 Oct 2015 #227

and you, sir/mam, are quite appropriately named. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #160

I love you. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #37

Thank you. Love you too and down with third way progressive attitudes!! bravenak Oct 2015 #38

SANDERS OR BUST! JaneyVee Oct 2015 #41

Yeah. I don't want back alley abortions becomming fashionable. bravenak Oct 2015 #43

Racial inequality in educational and economic opportunity is way more important an issue than Vattel Oct 2015 #44

Why do you get to decide what is more important for blacks? Vattel... You know how that sounds... bravenak Oct 2015 #45

Are you black? I am. JRLeft Oct 2015 #49

OF COURSE I'M BLACK!! The blackest person here. bravenak Oct 2015 #51

OK, I feel it. JRLeft Oct 2015 #134

Hey, it's not my fault that so many more people die from racial inequality in opportunity than Vattel Oct 2015 #54

Perhaps so, but you do own your attitudes and prejudices. Skidmore Oct 2015 #60

Tell that to all the victims of racial inequality in educational and ecomnomic opportunity, Vattel Oct 2015 #61

How can a dead child be educated? Skidmore Oct 2015 #50

Boom! bravenak Oct 2015 #52

I didn't say that racist cops are not a problem, did I? Vattel Oct 2015 #59

The same racist attitudes bury Skidmore Oct 2015 #62

Unfortunately, there are plenty of racial injustices in our society and many are victims. Vattel Oct 2015 #64

What about the vast majority that aren't killed, fuck em? The blue gang does a drive by TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #230

Economic equality cannot succeed without addressing social justice as well. nt Skidmore Oct 2015 #344

True but what about the majority of black and brown kids that live in the meanwhile? Fuck em, right? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #369

How you get this from my comments is beyond me. Skidmore Oct 2015 #372

Seems pretty obvious when your response to a question about education is TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #375

This line is the greatest lie of the campaign so far and of the Democratic Party mmonk Oct 2015 #63

Nope. All true. bravenak Oct 2015 #66

You only see what you want to see. mmonk Oct 2015 #70

I tell them GOOD LUCK!! bravenak Oct 2015 #74

But I'm not. mmonk Oct 2015 #89

My family has paid the racial price for generations. That ends now! bravenak Oct 2015 #91

Good. Bernie Sanders is not for racial injustice nor neither am I. mmonk Oct 2015 #105

Have a wonderful day. bravenak Oct 2015 #106

You too. mmonk Oct 2015 #364

Bernie supporters still think black lives matter jfern Oct 2015 #201

And yet you're voting for HIllary? Fearless Oct 2015 #68

Well, she WILL be the nominee and I AM a democrat. bravenak Oct 2015 #76

So you're voting for a third way progressive? Fearless Oct 2015 #78

Both are apparently third way. bravenak Oct 2015 #84

Can you cite a specific example where both are to the right of you? Fearless Oct 2015 #108

Bernie on (blacks?)voting based on their own race. bravenak Oct 2015 #111

Neither of those statements are true. Fearless Oct 2015 #236

Yes. bravenak Oct 2015 #237

So when Bernie said Sandra Bland would be alive if she was white jfern Oct 2015 #240

That was way way recent. That is RHETORIC. bravenak Oct 2015 #246

Bernie has always known that economics isn't the only problem jfern Oct 2015 #250

Well, he certainly pushes economic solutions to racial problems. bravenak Oct 2015 #252

His racial justice platform has the best rating from Campaign Zero of any canddiate jfern Oct 2015 #257

That's nice. I am still not impressed with the manner in which he refused to discuss bravenak Oct 2015 #260

I hope people of both sides can move on from the events of 3 months ago jfern Oct 2015 #270

He needs to address the harassment. It continues to this day. bravenak Oct 2015 #279

What specifically are you asking him to address? jfern Oct 2015 #286

The harassment. It happens in person too. Constantly. bravenak Oct 2015 #288

That's too bad that it happens so much jfern Oct 2015 #291

No. This is not a shit happens situation. bravenak Oct 2015 #293

I think the context of the harassment is important to figure out exactly what's going on jfern Oct 2015 #296

Okay. bravenak Oct 2015 #297

Well, they're wrong jfern Oct 2015 #300

I did. I feel he lacks the executive skillas as I addressed in my peter principle article. bravenak Oct 2015 #304

He's got 0 endorsements from whites in congress jfern Oct 2015 #312

Sorry but, only one side has this issue this season bravenak Oct 2015 #339

No Hillary supporter has harassed a Bernie supporter? Don't make me laugh. jfern Oct 2015 #340

I am speaking of harassing oppressed minorities. bravenak Oct 2015 #342

Sounds like this Bernie supporter experienced some racism jfern Oct 2015 #345

Yes. She and I discussed that. You should have seen the asian privilege thread. bravenak Oct 2015 #347

Here's another interesting thread jfern Oct 2015 #348

That's two. bravenak Oct 2015 #349

You do realize that I believe this stuff can come from either side right? bravenak Oct 2015 #350

Well, there are probably more young passionate Bernie supporters on the Internet jfern Oct 2015 #351

That Hillary site accepted me when I was feeling low. They treat me with kindness at all times. bravenak Oct 2015 #352

Well, they certainly don't treat Bernie supporters with kindness jfern Oct 2015 #353

Look how they are treated. Do you not see the nasty posts by your own side? bravenak Oct 2015 #354

What posts are these? jfern Oct 2015 #355

Lol! Goodnight. bravenak Oct 2015 #356

That Hillary supporter site was posting a lot of crazy shit jfern Oct 2015 #357

People here were posting likewise about me personally. Is this a cesspool? bravenak Oct 2015 #358

Wrong jfern Oct 2015 #359

Good! Now you know what types of posts to monitor. bravenak Oct 2015 #360

I forgot to mention. bravenak Oct 2015 #361

Yes, Bernie has a steep uphill path jfern Oct 2015 #363

And that's the crux of her whole position AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #386

But yours is. cui bono Oct 2015 #390

Welcome back bravenak... AOR Oct 2015 #80

Hey!! bravenak Oct 2015 #88

How you been...good I hope... AOR Oct 2015 #182

Yeah. But I like to focus on domestic slavery since it affects our society still. bravenak Oct 2015 #188

Yeah, like they came and took us in chains just to be mean to black people. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #371

Greed plus evil and selfish. bravenak Oct 2015 #385

Strawman temper tantrum because the fiscal conservative/social liberal shit won't fly anymore, huh? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #83

Your headline is insulting bravenak Oct 2015 #87

There is only one justice. The response is earned by anyone trying to parse it to make it acceptable TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #99

There is no justice without equality. The slave class mentality for blacks where they bravenak Oct 2015 #102

I already said just that. I also said that there is no justice in desperation and want. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #115

I said it first, so there! bravenak Oct 2015 #116

Good. I just wish you could say it all. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #121

Me too! Too much homework this week. Sadly. And boring stuff at that! bravenak Oct 2015 #127

Nailed It! bvar22 Oct 2015 #100

You are made of awesome and diamonds. Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #93

These memes need to go. bravenak Oct 2015 #94

Glad you're back bravenak ucrdem Oct 2015 #95

Thank you!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #98

IMO, You NAILED THIS! Why This Country Has Been UNABLE To See This ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #117

Thank you!! bravenak Oct 2015 #118

FUCK YES! K&R! blackspade Oct 2015 #124

Yay!!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #126

Why heads up Oct 2015 #128

Did my op make that assumption? Not really. bravenak Oct 2015 #129

Sorry heads up Oct 2015 #132

Hillary touches poor black children. But not in a weird way. Lolololol! This is funny. bravenak Oct 2015 #133

She's heads up Oct 2015 #139

You don't know anything about either candidate if you think they are not very far apart cui bono Oct 2015 #328

True that jfern Oct 2015 #329

CT bravenak Oct 2015 #331

That is *not* "another version of Third Way". ieoeja Oct 2015 #414

Yes yes. Except that I like the way I put it. bravenak Oct 2015 #415

That's why I don't like homophobic Clinton Centrist Democrats. DemocraticWing Oct 2015 #135

Same reason I don't like paternalistic anti social justice only money matters democrats. bravenak Oct 2015 #137

I understand why they exist. DemocraticWing Oct 2015 #140

I get it. But once you are black and poor and then black and NOT poor. bravenak Oct 2015 #141

Can't hide LGBT either Prism Oct 2015 #152

I insist that I do not know. bravenak Oct 2015 #153

So gay rights aren't as bad because they can hide? Prism Oct 2015 #169

Why would you say that? That's crazy talk. bravenak Oct 2015 #170

You said quite enough Prism Oct 2015 #177

Are heads up Oct 2015 #210

It really depends on where and when which group has the worst time jfern Oct 2015 #215

Yuh heads up Oct 2015 #220

Wow, that's pretty recent jfern Oct 2015 #221

I know heads up Oct 2015 #222

I said SOME bravenak Oct 2015 #346

Are you serious? leftofcool Oct 2015 #362

Alert Results irisblue Oct 2015 #197

I still heads up Oct 2015 #155

Neither will do more than the other. bravenak Oct 2015 #159

Probably true. heads up Oct 2015 #162

Or votes for the crime bill and to sheild gun manufacturers, amirite? bravenak Oct 2015 #172

Sure. heads up Oct 2015 #181

The crime bill pushed and supported friends of the black community, the Clintons? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #365

The crime bill that Hillary voted for and lobbied Congress about? cui bono Oct 2015 #395

So, no standing on principle? I guess that's fighting for us for fifty years!!! Except on prison.. bravenak Oct 2015 #398

No, I guess you don't stand on principle. You show that all over this thread. cui bono Oct 2015 #400

Nor does he apparently. I do not pretend to not change in fifty years. bravenak Oct 2015 #403

You haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about in regards to Marx... AOR Oct 2015 #187

Capitalism is a cancer on society. DemocraticWing Oct 2015 #218

It is a caricature that many have created in their mind... AOR Oct 2015 #231

Well done. Dem2 Oct 2015 #163

Very. bravenak Oct 2015 #168

K and R! BooScout Oct 2015 #167

Hey Boo! bravenak Oct 2015 #174

Hey my friend! BooScout Oct 2015 #178

Glad you are back bravenak, you were missed. still_one Oct 2015 #179

If Prism's OP response to this thread is locked then this one should be too. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #191

It's cool Prism Oct 2015 #198

Nothing new. Puglover Oct 2015 #377

My concern is politicians using social issues as a feel-good talking point to continue to ignore Bonobo Oct 2015 #195

They all do it. All of them. All. bravenak Oct 2015 #238

Yes, but even then, there IS some variation of sincerity among people. Bonobo Oct 2015 #242

Then do not ever trust anybody running for prez. That is power seeking behaivior. bravenak Oct 2015 #243

Yeah, well there is running and there is racing feverishly... Bonobo Oct 2015 #249

Well, dude voted for it. bravenak Oct 2015 #254

I won't argue you over your choice. Bonobo Oct 2015 #268

Guess what. I'm completely ambivilent. bravenak Oct 2015 #271

We're sorry about what happened after the BLM protests jfern Oct 2015 #273

Yup, I know it. Bonobo Oct 2015 #275

I know, boo. Alot of his supporters found it hard to watch. bravenak Oct 2015 #278

Sad. Bonobo Oct 2015 #284

Scratch that. Wasn't him opposing affirmative action. Somebody else. bravenak Oct 2015 #255

I get it. You want us to vote for Hillary. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #207

Of course jfern Oct 2015 #208

We are horrible human beings. We are white supremacist Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #209

Who called you a white supremacist? bravenak Oct 2015 #267

What actions has HRC taken that lead you to describe her as left of Bernie on Racial Justice? aikoaiko Oct 2015 #219

Hiring more blacks. bravenak Oct 2015 #247

What, on her campaign? SMC22307 Oct 2015 #261

When she was secretary of state and on her senate staff. bravenak Oct 2015 #262

You're making the assertion, the onus is on you. SMC22307 Oct 2015 #264

Then do not bother looking. No me importa. I do not care. It is not important to me. bravenak Oct 2015 #266

Works for me. (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2015 #282

Irony alert: economic argument used to prove Hillary better on SJ. n/t ieoeja Oct 2015 #416

For us, hiring is social justice. Our applications often get tossed cause of RACISM. bravenak Oct 2015 #417

I don't know. How many? n/t ieoeja Oct 2015 #418

I cannot find the answer. bravenak Oct 2015 #420

I can see why that is important. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #435

I know what you mean about Paula. bravenak Oct 2015 #436

I agree. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #437

The majority of DU is anti-Third Way, SMC22307 Oct 2015 #224

This is directed at those who are left on economics and right on social justice as in ignoring it. bravenak Oct 2015 #241

Ignoring social justice = right on social justice is pretty loopy logic. SMC22307 Oct 2015 #258

They do exist now. I bastardized the term just like others have. bravenak Oct 2015 #259

And the term will be rejected... SMC22307 Oct 2015 #263

My assertion??? It has been DOCUMENTED. bravenak Oct 2015 #265

Yeah, I don't remember calling you that... SMC22307 Oct 2015 #276

I have no idea. Prolly the (redacted) pretending to be me at the cave. bravenak Oct 2015 #280

"Chick"? Careful, someone might consider that sexist and alert. (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2015 #285

Maybe i should put quotations around it? bravenak Oct 2015 #289

Wow! But you didn't deny that this is your post. cui bono Oct 2015 #399

Why would I? See my chubby face? That's me right now as I look today. bravenak Oct 2015 #402

omg... cui bono Oct 2015 #427

They were pretending to be me at the actual Cave. The Conservative Cave. bravenak Oct 2015 #428

Oh, okay. Except the post you replied to clearl mentioned the Clinton Cave. cui bono Oct 2015 #429

Your argument is fatally flawed. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #226

My argument is sound. bravenak Oct 2015 #239

No, my heart is with #BLM and LGBTQ~ As President Obama said today.. Cha Oct 2015 #274

Great stuff Cha!! bravenak Oct 2015 #281

K&R Skidmore Oct 2015 #373

.. Cha Oct 2015 #374

Why can't progressives want both social and economic justice? mhatrw Oct 2015 #341

If they do, then how are they like the people I described in my op? bravenak Oct 2015 #343

Some are content on separating the two but I think it is wrongheaded. mmonk Oct 2015 #366

Because then it wouldn't be the wedge issue the OP is looking for. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #383

Racism in America is trickle down. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #367

There is no such animal as a Turd Way progressive. 99Forever Oct 2015 #368

K&R ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #381

I find it strange that one side is allowed to bastardize the term third way, but they will bravenak Oct 2015 #393

It's not a bastardization. It's a serious policy difference. mmonk Oct 2015 #397

I am making it about social justice. My voice will be heard. My complaints as well. bravenak Oct 2015 #401

And good for you for doing it ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #404

Exactly. Denying reality puts people in a difficult position to progress. bravenak Oct 2015 #406

Nobody is keeping you from speaking out (except maybe those who judge mmonk Oct 2015 #405

This is not only about BLM. We need a paradigm shift. bravenak Oct 2015 #407

And that is what those of us entrenched have to work to see ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #409

Perfectly stated. bravenak Oct 2015 #412

Agree--I'll tell you my life story someday ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #419

The only reason I made it was similar to you. bravenak Oct 2015 #421

Heh! Me too ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #432

I do not view the Third Way as a paradigm shift. mmonk Oct 2015 #411

Nor do i. I also do not believe thateconomic justice will ever come to blacks in this bravenak Oct 2015 #413

That is fine bravenak. I don't want to belabor the point. mmonk Oct 2015 #422

This is what Cognitive Dissonance looks like AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #384

. mmonk Oct 2015 #389

I'm for both social and economic justice. Just like my candidate. PotatoChip Oct 2015 #423

Awesome attitude! bravenak Oct 2015 #431

DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2015 #425

she is a professional jimmy rustler wendylaroux Oct 2015 #426

I thought they'd love to agree with me on anti leftist attutudes. bravenak Oct 2015 #430

So is this how you've convinced yourself to support a center-right more of the same establishment Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #433

Oh no warren! bravenak Oct 2015 #434