2016 Postmortem

Chitown Kev

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28. You can even go back to Hillary's time at Wellesley and see it

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 03:36 AM

Oct 2015

Hillary believes that the system works OR that you can operate within the existing system to effect change.

She's always been like that; that's why I was neither surprised or offended about her LBJ/MLK comments in 2008...it's who she is.

Obama, on the other hand, can operate both inside and outside the system and be effective.

Sanders once believed solely in the idea of outside pressure but is actually very close to Hillary now as far as his views on whether the system can work...he sees some court decisions and some legislative agendas as making it more difficult to operte within the system but he still believes more in the system than on the effectiveness of outside pressure.

It doesn't take a rocket science to see this. Of those three, ONLY Obama will actually tell you to hold his feet to the fire.

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For someone supposedly so liberal, Hillary has a strange intolerance for civil disobedience. [View all] reformist2 Oct 2015 OP

Really? Just stop. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #1

Edward Snowden does, does not equal John Brown. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #39

"TAZE them!" Shouted some from the Seattle crowd. bravenak Oct 2015 #2

My city gathered to hear a medicare event artislife Oct 2015 #13

So, how much do you know about the white supremacy in that city? bravenak Oct 2015 #15

You assume they were progressives SwampG8r Oct 2015 #19

The CITY assumes it is progressive. I do not think so. bravenak Oct 2015 #20

Yeah, this is a white privileged city artislife Oct 2015 #21

I know what you said. I was calling you out for saying you are nice to old ladies like this was a bravenak Oct 2015 #22

I said I crossed the street artislife Oct 2015 #23

Can you put in parentheses next time so I don't get all cray cray? bravenak Oct 2015 #24

Whew. artislife Oct 2015 #25

Me too! bravenak Oct 2015 #26

yup. artislife Oct 2015 #27

I used to live in Seattle in the 70's and early 80's Armstead Oct 2015 #44

Exactly like the white supremacy in every other American city n/t eridani Oct 2015 #31

Exactly!!! Those woman were RIGHT!nt bravenak Oct 2015 #48

You really need to not go there. leftofcool Oct 2015 #3

Where? A radical abolitionist? I'm pretty sure I know what Hillary would have said to him. reformist2 Oct 2015 #5

No, you really don't. Stop digging your own hole. leftofcool Oct 2015 #8

Sounds like you do not know the definition of "civil disobedience". JoePhilly Oct 2015 #4

Civil disobedience is a tactic, not a political program jberryhill Oct 2015 #6

Keep trying... SidDithers Oct 2015 #7

You bet I will. Hillary should definitely *not* be the nominee, imo. reformist2 Oct 2015 #9

Hillary never participated in civil disobedience Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #10

neither of them engaged in Civil disobedience dsc Oct 2015 #11

Civil rights icon, Rep. John Lewis made Hillary his choice for president. oasis Oct 2015 #12

John Lewis is a great man artislife Oct 2015 #14

Rep. Lewis, you and I all appreciate and admire Bernie. oasis Oct 2015 #18

What he accepts is the decision of the DNC that Clinton should be the nominee n/t eridani Oct 2015 #32

Are you implying Rep. Lewis lacked the courage to make the decision for oasis Oct 2015 #35

Lewis must be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #42

I'm saying that his decision was likely based on the "inevitability' meme n/t eridani Oct 2015 #61

Attacking a policy is fine... CheshireDog Oct 2015 #16

I'm not "attacking" her - Hillary is instinctively a "law & order" person - she dislikes disobedienc reformist2 Oct 2015 #41

But none of that is a bit of anything but characterizations based on your opinion, characterizing Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #45

Protests are more important than legislative reform?? Gman Oct 2015 #17

Yes. I also recognize that you don't put the cart before the horse. reformist2 Oct 2015 #37

You can even go back to Hillary's time at Wellesley and see it Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #28

Sanders also tells us to hold his feet to the fire. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #30

Sanders' arrogance has not been as visible Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #49

Sanders has fully explained his views on nuclear energy and on JDPriestly Oct 2015 #51

I know his opinions Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #57

K&R. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #29

+1 Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #34

You are so right. Hillary does have a "conservative personality"! reformist2 Oct 2015 #36

Yeah but... 99Forever Oct 2015 #46

I think this is right... Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #50

How do you arrive at your assumptions? I marched in civil rights protests and was spit upon at kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #33

Bernie had anti-war protesters arrested at his office... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #38

You're lying again. Fearless Oct 2015 #52

If I prove you wrong right now will you promise to... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #53

Your idea of proof is a joke. Fearless Oct 2015 #54

Enjoy, buddy: JaneyVee Oct 2015 #55

This is basically what I'm hearing... Fearless Oct 2015 #56

Jesus Christ, will you stop linking to that site? Do you actually have any proof? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #59

Proof that Bernie "had pro-Palestine activists removed from event"? Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #60

Since the majority of Americans think Snowden should face the music... randome Oct 2015 #40

It is far more critical that those behind what he highlighted face some music but many are quick to TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #47

Or the Founding Fathers themselves. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #43

K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #58