I know what you mean about Paula. (Reply #436)

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Sat Oct 24, 2015, 08:17 PM

bravenak (34,648 posts)

436. I know what you mean about Paula.

I prefer my southern racist to my northern or western racist. It's in your face with southerns, you know where you stand. That insidious stuff is worse. You know what it is, they know what it is, but it is couched in mealy mouthed language and pretenses of humor.

I just like to know that a leader tries to be inclusive and have diversity without having to be forced into it or forced to even notice you exist and have needs. I know a Hillary admin will have women, blacks, hispanics, asians, arabs, pacific islanders, native americans, etc, all people who deserve a chance to prove their abilities and achieve positions of prominence to provide good role model for children AND adults in their own cultural communities.

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439 replies	Author	Time	Post
Third Way Progressives, Screwing the Plebs [View all]	bravenak	Oct 2015	OP
Holy Shits Batman!	randys1	Oct 2015	#1
Hey Dad!! Send money for 'books'!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#3
OK, I am good for a book or two.	randys1	Oct 2015	#5
Love you	bravenak	Oct 2015	#6
Have you been talking toBabyGirl 1SBM? ...	1StrongBlackMan	Oct 2015	#9
The kids in my class were planning to call their parents for money.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#14
See what happens when you want your baby girl to go to college?	leftofcool	Oct 2015	#25
What is a nagger?	Bread and Circus	Oct 2015	#30
A white person called a Black person a "race nagger" on DU, because the Black person	randys1	Oct 2015	#33
How do you know they were white?	Boudica the Lyoness	Nov 2015	#438
It is a punchline of a premise to a South Park episode	jberryhill	Oct 2015	#193
No one is saying you are wrong, you are most certainly correct.	djean111	Oct 2015	#2
Thank you	bravenak	Oct 2015	#4
To be clear, I just stated that her argument was wrong.	DisgustipatedinCA	Oct 2015	#229
If St Ronnie ever runs again I certainly would never vote for him.	Autumn	Oct 2015	#7
I hate Ronnie more than any other president in living memory.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#11
I am a Latina woman and I have children and Grandchildren. Hillary does nothing for me.	Autumn	Oct 2015	#18
I have no trust in anybody running. No reason to.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#22
As a Latina and experiencing it first hand I feel that	Autumn	Oct 2015	#26
They are interwined.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#29
All rights are being used as a bargaining chip and they will be used until we change the system.	Autumn	Oct 2015	#34
Ours have been used most and we are THE MOST TIRED OF IT.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#42
For profit prisons became the norm under the War on Drugs by the Reagan administration.	Autumn	Oct 2015	#82
Yes. I hate all reagan voters and do not forgive them.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#85
Well I have absolutely have no problem voting for Bernie.	Autumn	Oct 2015	#90
I'm glad.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#92
You are WAY off on FDR.	bvar22	Oct 2015	#57
Why should I care about rhetoric?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#69
I'm NOT arguing "rhetoric",	bvar22	Oct 2015	#96
I posted a link showing my point. He left us out. I proved my point.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#97
Not really. My grandfather got veterans benefits, he got Social Security, he worked for decades at	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#109
My grandmother was a domestic. A maid. She was lived out and lived in poverty.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#112
I'm sorry that was her and many people's lot to be hosed but it is not the whole picture.	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#120
I know. I don't get all hero worshippy of any politician. Even Obama. He can handle criticism.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#123
I think you are way, way wrong on Sanders. His record doesn't even hint at such	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#199
What caused you to conclude Bernie is "right" on social justice?	Scuba	Oct 2015	#370
Way off again.	bvar22	Oct 2015	#388
No. I flipped the term and bastardized it just like some from the 'far left' have done	bravenak	Oct 2015	#391
I see.	bvar22	Oct 2015	#392
Oh no!!! My reality was ignored as I am black.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#394
Exactly. There's a lot of that going on in this thread	cui bono	Oct 2015	#396
1) The record was mixed	Chitown Kev	Oct 2015	#158
His Four Freedoms may have not addressed this issue,	bvar22	Oct 2015	#184
That didn't come until 1948	Chitown Kev	Oct 2015	#190
As to being left out of the New Deal I am one of the people	jwirr	Oct 2015	#136
I agree.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#138
fdr bashing has become standard practice for Clinton supporters on	Doctor_J	Oct 2015	#189
Who's bashing FDR?	Chitown Kev	Oct 2015	#192
never mind. I should have trashed this thread.	Doctor_J	Oct 2015	#194
As you wish...	Chitown Kev	Oct 2015	#196
WHAT?	Boudica the Lyoness	Nov 2015	#439
No politician can make major changes on his/her own, Bernie	JRLeft	Oct 2015	#216
"Hillary is lackluster but she hires us for her staff and positions of power."	ieoeja	Oct 2015	#408
Good quote? I loved her at the hearing though. She rose in my estimation.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#410
Based on the records of the Democratic candidates	Chitown Kev	Oct 2015	#146
+1	bravenak	Oct 2015	#151
Yeah. Holding their feet to the fire has worked so well in the past n/t	Autumn	Oct 2015	#157
Keeping the feet of "bougeois politicians to the fire"...	AOR	Oct 2015	#183
It worked (in large part)	Chitown Kev	Oct 2015	#203
Yes LGBT rights were an important victory...	AOR	Oct 2015	#223
That's very true	Chitown Kev	Oct 2015	#228
Economic impact under capitalist social relations amounts to crumbs....	AOR	Oct 2015	#234
How did it work?	jeff47	Oct 2015	#379
K&R!	stonecutter357	Oct 2015	#8
Thank you!!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#23
Exactly why I hate third-way bullshit	marym625	Oct 2015	#10
I see bernie as third way on race.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#12
Sorry, then you're not listening to him.	marym625	Oct 2015	#16
I have been listening to him.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#20
Correct~	sheshe2	Oct 2015	#27
what? he has very much so discussed it.	marym625	Oct 2015	#31
He has not discussed the harassment. I have no idea why you think he has. He declined.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#35
You cannot blame a candidate for what some people who support them do.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#58
I damn sure can!! Why ever not? They are doing it in his name and pretending nothing happened!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#65
Not the same thing at all. The Tea Party is not a person, it is a group.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#73
You seem much more angry than I am.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#75
But I'm not.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#77
Who this racist?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#81
Is that what you posted?	cui bono	Oct 2015	#142
Link? Link to my false smear?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#143
So you are outraged about a vote that happened well before you were posting as a Bernie	cui bono	Oct 2015	#144
Link to my false smear?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#145
Explained above, although since I rarely get hides and can afford one I tried to search...	cui bono	Oct 2015	#147
Let me get that link tho.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#148
Did you read my post?	cui bono	Oct 2015	#149
It didn't have that link....	bravenak	Oct 2015	#150
So you didn't read it. Okay.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#154
Oh, I did. It was rude.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#156
LOL!	cui bono	Oct 2015	#161
Here's that link...	cui bono	Oct 2015	#302
Here you go...	cui bono	Oct 2015	#298
How was that a racist post?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#299
It's by a racist calling Bernie a racist. I didn't say your post in and of itself was racist.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#303
Why have you not harassed the stockholm sybdrome guy or the race nagging guy?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#305
I don't know who the race nagging guy is.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#307
If my stuff upsets you enough to post this much, why not his?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#310
Ah... deflection. We're talking about you and your post here.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#314
Here ya go. Do not see how you missed it.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#318
Yeah. I can see why a PoC might interpret that differently than a white person	cui bono	Oct 2015	#319
To us it felt cold and dismissive of our solidarity as an oppressed group.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#320
But again, you can't throw away a lifetime of fighting for civil rights and racial equality	cui bono	Oct 2015	#321
See, you say lifetime, I say, in spurts and really mostly in college.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#322
Okay, so now answer this. Why are you not railing against Hillary?	cui bono	Oct 2015	#324
Yes, Bernie's racial justice platform is the best according to Campaign Zero	jfern	Oct 2015	#327
I'll tell you why.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#330
Again, that's ridiculous. So you're going to vote for someone who's worse on racial issues	cui bono	Oct 2015	#334
Sorry for me? Lolololol! Other way around.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#335
The wording was poor	jfern	Oct 2015	#325
Ok.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#332
Hardly. I've seen the bile you spew at another site.	DisgustipatedinCA	Oct 2015	#204
result of my jury service. I was #5	delrem	Oct 2015	#211
Jesus...the hair-trigger alerters must be out tonight.	DisgustipatedinCA	Oct 2015	#214
Without DU I wouldn't even know about David Brock.	delrem	Oct 2015	#217
please link me to his "third way social and racial issues"	marym625	Oct 2015	#79
He places economic justic above racial justice. Always has.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#86
please link me to his "third way social and racial issues"	marym625	Oct 2015	#103
FINE!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#104
if you and I can't do this without getting mad, then let's not	marym625	Oct 2015	#107
Look at the quote where he says that people shouldn't vote based on their own race. That is wrong.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#110
A complete distortion of Sander's point	Armstead	Oct 2015	#113
He was clear on his points and the video is at the link.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#114
I'm sorry that happened.	marym625	Oct 2015	#122
Enjoy your dinner!!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#125
Voting on race and not positions will destroy the Democratic party	jfern	Oct 2015	#171
Then you do not want the black vote?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#175
I thought you meant voting on race rather than positions on the issues	jfern	Oct 2015	#180
Explain how will Hillary help us as black people, when she shills for Wall Street?	JRLeft	Oct 2015	#301
Why would you think I think ANYBODY is gonna do a damn thing unless we force them?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#306
Now we finally agree on something, only a movement will force them.	JRLeft	Oct 2015	#308
Yep.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#309
Of course they shouldn't! Why the hell should rational and decent people vote based on race?	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#213
Hear hear!	Art_from_Ark	Oct 2015	#233
You'll be voting for Ben Carson, then, should he win the Republican nomination? (n/t)	SMC22307	Oct 2015	#232
He is republican. I vote FOR my race.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#244
Where does he say that? I listened twice and didn't hear it. Can you give me the time in the video?	cui bono	Oct 2015	#235
Just watch it again.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#245
Oh, so he doesn't say it. I see.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#248
Oh, so i need to give you the link, watch it for you, note the time.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#251
You made the assertion. I told you I watched it twice and read the transcript underneath.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#272
So at what point in the video does he say that?	cui bono	Oct 2015	#311
I'm paying attention now. Repeat what you want to know.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#313
You said he said people shouldn't vote based on their race or something similar.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#315
Ah! I'll find it, thanks.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#317
LOL! Jagannathan, Charugundla, Gupta, Cho, Cohen,	WorseBeforeBetter	Oct 2015	#202
He made it very clear that Sandra Bland would be alive if she was white	jfern	Oct 2015	#206
He got arrested in the 60's because he was protesting for civil rights.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#253
The 60s was a long time ago. He voted for mass incarceration after he marched and sat in.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#256
He's been fighting racial injustice since then. He has a strong platform on racial justice.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#269
I am not happy with any candidates record on race.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#277
I'm truly sorry about any racism you experience. It's a horrific thing.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#283
See... Here's the thing.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#287
Yeah, but he got arrested protesting for civil rights. You can't take that away from him	cui bono	Oct 2015	#292
Um hmm.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#294
So no information about this vote that has you so incensed?	cui bono	Oct 2015	#316
You seem to be much madder than I am.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#323
So... no information then? Was there really a vote that pissed you off?	cui bono	Oct 2015	#326
Many things pissed me off.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#333
Okay, so this vote apparently never happened since you can't provide a link.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#336
Most times people smear themselves.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#337
I think this was about the 1994 crime bill	jfern	Oct 2015	#338
Thank you. So Hillary is no better than Bernie on this.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#387
Few? Few? Thousands of them! Thousands! His army....	bravenak	Oct 2015	#36
+1	cui bono	Oct 2015	#53
And Black Lives Matter never said "Hillary doesn't get it. Bernie does"	Number23	Oct 2015	#67
I think people are getting too emotionally involved in the candidate and seeing themselves in him.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#72
here's the exact quote	marym625	Oct 2015	#101
Thank you, that's what I was thinking.	heads up	Oct 2015	#119
The "response" is there since you seem so incredibly interested.	Number23	Oct 2015	#131
Even if you want to take that quote as saying Hillary doesn't get it	Number23	Oct 2015	#130
she also said.	marym625	Oct 2015	#176
You didn't have to "start" any of this considering that I didn't engage you in the first place	Number23	Oct 2015	#212
Mary really.	Puglover	Oct 2015	#376
I did miss that in the rules! Damn!	marym625	Oct 2015	#378
....	Puglover	Oct 2015	#380
+1000	ismnotwasm	Oct 2015	#382
I love how folks some folks act like they are the only ones who read things around here!	Number23	Oct 2015	#424
That is just weird	AgingAmerican	Oct 2015	#165
Yep	bravenak	Oct 2015	#166
Weird	AgingAmerican	Oct 2015	#173
That's total bullshit	jfern	Oct 2015	#205
Don't be a third way on environment either!	artislife	Oct 2015	#186
This is great!	betsuni	Oct 2015	#13
Awesome!!! I'm glad to see you!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#15
Very happy you're back!	betsuni	Oct 2015	#19
K&R Absolutely.	Skidmore	Oct 2015	#17
Yep!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#21
Do you understand why average white racists fear blacks?	Prism	Oct 2015	#24
The shopkeeper does not think poor he thinks nigg@r.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#28
Of course it is bigoted	Prism	Oct 2015	#46
Social justice is more important	bravenak	Oct 2015	#47
Why?	Prism	Oct 2015	#56
I briefly worked as a store detective during my college years and did witness this sort of racism...	cascadiance	Oct 2015	#55
Thank you. This was really good and illustrates the problem perfectly.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#164
The OP is a bunch of straw man arguments and false choices. Sorry.	Bread and Circus	Oct 2015	#32
Third way progressives tend to minimize things and not notice their own failures.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#39
So the OP life experiences are invalidated, got it.	randys1	Oct 2015	#40
This attitudes is exactly why I	Skidmore	Oct 2015	#48
Is she getting a bit too uppity??	Number23	Oct 2015	#71
Your jury results:	sufrommich	Oct 2015	#185
Wow. Some people work hard as hell to pretend that someone called them racist, don't they??	Number23	Oct 2015	#225
I imagine juror #1 busily sweeping any mention of racism under the rug.	betsuni	Oct 2015	#295
THIS> "I'm not seeing an accusation of racism per say but an education on the use of "uppity" and..	Cha	Oct 2015	#290
By your definition you didn't use "uppity" correctly. Yesterday I did, and in the correct way.	Bread and Circus	Oct 2015	#200
Me and apparently everyone here but you understands what the word "uppity" means	Number23	Oct 2015	#227
and you, sir/mam, are quite appropriately named.	Chitown Kev	Oct 2015	#160
I love you.	JaneyVee	Oct 2015	#37
Thank you. Love you too and down with third way progressive attitudes!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#38
SANDERS OR BUST!	JaneyVee	Oct 2015	#41
Yeah. I don't want back alley abortions becomming fashionable.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#43
Racial inequality in educational and economic opportunity is way more important an issue than	Vattel	Oct 2015	#44
Why do you get to decide what is more important for blacks? Vattel... You know how that sounds...	bravenak	Oct 2015	#45
Are you black? I am.	JRLeft	Oct 2015	#49
OF COURSE I'M BLACK!! The blackest person here.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#51
OK, I feel it.	JRLeft	Oct 2015	#134
Hey, it's not my fault that so many more people die from racial inequality in opportunity than	Vattel	Oct 2015	#54
Perhaps so, but you do own your attitudes and prejudices.	Skidmore	Oct 2015	#60
Tell that to all the victims of racial inequality in educational and ecomnomic opportunity,	Vattel	Oct 2015	#61
How can a dead child be educated?	Skidmore	Oct 2015	#50
Boom!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#52
I didn't say that racist cops are not a problem, did I?	Vattel	Oct 2015	#59
The same racist attitudes bury	Skidmore	Oct 2015	#62
Unfortunately, there are plenty of racial injustices in our society and many are victims.	Vattel	Oct 2015	#64
What about the vast majority that aren't killed, fuck em? The blue gang does a drive by	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#230
Economic equality cannot succeed without addressing social justice as well. nt	Skidmore	Oct 2015	#344
True but what about the majority of black and brown kids that live in the meanwhile? Fuck em, right?	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#369
How you get this from my comments is beyond me.	Skidmore	Oct 2015	#372
Seems pretty obvious when your response to a question about education is	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#375
This line is the greatest lie of the campaign so far and of the Democratic Party	mmonk	Oct 2015	#63
Nope. All true.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#66
You only see what you want to see.	mmonk	Oct 2015	#70
I tell them GOOD LUCK!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#74
But I'm not.	mmonk	Oct 2015	#89
My family has paid the racial price for generations. That ends now!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#91
Good. Bernie Sanders is not for racial injustice nor neither am I.	mmonk	Oct 2015	#105
Have a wonderful day.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#106
You too.	mmonk	Oct 2015	#364
Bernie supporters still think black lives matter	jfern	Oct 2015	#201
And yet you're voting for HIllary?	Fearless	Oct 2015	#68
Well, she WILL be the nominee and I AM a democrat.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#76
So you're voting for a third way progressive?	Fearless	Oct 2015	#78
Both are apparently third way.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#84
Can you cite a specific example where both are to the right of you?	Fearless	Oct 2015	#108
Bernie on (blacks?)voting based on their own race.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#111
Neither of those statements are true.	Fearless	Oct 2015	#236
Yes.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#237
So when Bernie said Sandra Bland would be alive if she was white	jfern	Oct 2015	#240
That was way way recent. That is RHETORIC.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#246
Bernie has always known that economics isn't the only problem	jfern	Oct 2015	#250
Well, he certainly pushes economic solutions to racial problems.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#252
His racial justice platform has the best rating from Campaign Zero of any canddiate	jfern	Oct 2015	#257
That's nice. I am still not impressed with the manner in which he refused to discuss	bravenak	Oct 2015	#260
I hope people of both sides can move on from the events of 3 months ago	jfern	Oct 2015	#270
He needs to address the harassment. It continues to this day.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#279
What specifically are you asking him to address?	jfern	Oct 2015	#286
The harassment. It happens in person too. Constantly.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#288
That's too bad that it happens so much	jfern	Oct 2015	#291
No. This is not a shit happens situation.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#293
I think the context of the harassment is important to figure out exactly what's going on	jfern	Oct 2015	#296
Okay.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#297
Well, they're wrong	jfern	Oct 2015	#300
I did. I feel he lacks the executive skillas as I addressed in my peter principle article.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#304
He's got 0 endorsements from whites in congress	jfern	Oct 2015	#312
Sorry but, only one side has this issue this season	bravenak	Oct 2015	#339
No Hillary supporter has harassed a Bernie supporter? Don't make me laugh.	jfern	Oct 2015	#340
I am speaking of harassing oppressed minorities.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#342
Sounds like this Bernie supporter experienced some racism	jfern	Oct 2015	#345
Yes. She and I discussed that. You should have seen the asian privilege thread.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#347
Here's another interesting thread	jfern	Oct 2015	#348
That's two.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#349
You do realize that I believe this stuff can come from either side right?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#350
Well, there are probably more young passionate Bernie supporters on the Internet	jfern	Oct 2015	#351
That Hillary site accepted me when I was feeling low. They treat me with kindness at all times.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#352
Well, they certainly don't treat Bernie supporters with kindness	jfern	Oct 2015	#353
Look how they are treated. Do you not see the nasty posts by your own side?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#354
What posts are these?	jfern	Oct 2015	#355
Lol! Goodnight.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#356
That Hillary supporter site was posting a lot of crazy shit	jfern	Oct 2015	#357
People here were posting likewise about me personally. Is this a cesspool?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#358
Wrong	jfern	Oct 2015	#359
Good! Now you know what types of posts to monitor.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#360
I forgot to mention.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#361
Yes, Bernie has a steep uphill path	jfern	Oct 2015	#363
And that's the crux of her whole position	AgingAmerican	Oct 2015	#386
But yours is.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#390
Welcome back bravenak...	AOR	Oct 2015	#80
Hey!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#88
How you been...good I hope...	AOR	Oct 2015	#182
Yeah. But I like to focus on domestic slavery since it affects our society still.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#188
Yeah, like they came and took us in chains just to be mean to black people.	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#371
Greed plus evil and selfish.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#385
Strawman temper tantrum because the fiscal conservative/social liberal shit won't fly anymore, huh?	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#83
Your headline is insulting	bravenak	Oct 2015	#87
There is only one justice. The response is earned by anyone trying to parse it to make it acceptable	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#99
There is no justice without equality. The slave class mentality for blacks where they	bravenak	Oct 2015	#102
I already said just that. I also said that there is no justice in desperation and want.	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#115
I said it first, so there!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#116
Good. I just wish you could say it all.	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#121
Me too! Too much homework this week. Sadly. And boring stuff at that!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#127
Nailed It!	bvar22	Oct 2015	#100
You are made of awesome and diamonds.	Starry Messenger	Oct 2015	#93
These memes need to go.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#94
Glad you're back bravenak	ucrdem	Oct 2015	#95
Thank you!!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#98
IMO, You NAILED THIS! Why This Country Has Been UNABLE To See This	ChiciB1	Oct 2015	#117
Thank you!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#118
FUCK YES! K&R!	blackspade	Oct 2015	#124
Yay!!!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#126
Why	heads up	Oct 2015	#128
Did my op make that assumption? Not really.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#129
Sorry	heads up	Oct 2015	#132
Hillary touches poor black children. But not in a weird way. Lolololol! This is funny.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#133
She's	heads up	Oct 2015	#139
You don't know anything about either candidate if you think they are not very far apart	cui bono	Oct 2015	#328
True that	jfern	Oct 2015	#329
CT	bravenak	Oct 2015	#331
That is not "another version of Third Way".	ieoeja	Oct 2015	#414
Yes yes. Except that I like the way I put it.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#415
That's why I don't like homophobic Clinton Centrist Democrats.	DemocraticWing	Oct 2015	#135
Same reason I don't like paternalistic anti social justice only money matters democrats.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#137
I understand why they exist.	DemocraticWing	Oct 2015	#140
I get it. But once you are black and poor and then black and NOT poor.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#141
Can't hide LGBT either	Prism	Oct 2015	#152
I insist that I do not know.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#153
So gay rights aren't as bad because they can hide?	Prism	Oct 2015	#169
Why would you say that? That's crazy talk.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#170
You said quite enough	Prism	Oct 2015	#177
Are	heads up	Oct 2015	#210
It really depends on where and when which group has the worst time	jfern	Oct 2015	#215
Yuh	heads up	Oct 2015	#220
Wow, that's pretty recent	jfern	Oct 2015	#221
I know	heads up	Oct 2015	#222
I said SOME	bravenak	Oct 2015	#346
Are you serious?	leftofcool	Oct 2015	#362
Alert Results	irisblue	Oct 2015	#197
I still	heads up	Oct 2015	#155
Neither will do more than the other.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#159
Probably true.	heads up	Oct 2015	#162
Or votes for the crime bill and to sheild gun manufacturers, amirite?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#172
Sure.	heads up	Oct 2015	#181
The crime bill pushed and supported friends of the black community, the Clintons?	TheKentuckian	Oct 2015	#365
The crime bill that Hillary voted for and lobbied Congress about?	cui bono	Oct 2015	#395
So, no standing on principle? I guess that's fighting for us for fifty years!!! Except on prison..	bravenak	Oct 2015	#398
No, I guess you don't stand on principle. You show that all over this thread.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#400
Nor does he apparently. I do not pretend to not change in fifty years.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#403
You haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about in regards to Marx...	AOR	Oct 2015	#187
Capitalism is a cancer on society.	DemocraticWing	Oct 2015	#218
It is a caricature that many have created in their mind...	AOR	Oct 2015	#231
Well done.	Dem2	Oct 2015	#163
Very.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#168
K and R!	BooScout	Oct 2015	#167
Hey Boo!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#174
Hey my friend!	BooScout	Oct 2015	#178
Glad you are back bravenak, you were missed.	still_one	Oct 2015	#179
If Prism's OP response to this thread is locked then this one should be too.	liberal_at_heart	Oct 2015	#191
It's cool	Prism	Oct 2015	#198
Nothing new.	Puglover	Oct 2015	#377
My concern is politicians using social issues as a feel-good talking point to continue to ignore	Bonobo	Oct 2015	#195
They all do it. All of them. All.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#238
Yes, but even then, there IS some variation of sincerity among people.	Bonobo	Oct 2015	#242
Then do not ever trust anybody running for prez. That is power seeking behaivior.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#243
Yeah, well there is running and there is racing feverishly...	Bonobo	Oct 2015	#249
Well, dude voted for it.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#254
I won't argue you over your choice.	Bonobo	Oct 2015	#268
Guess what. I'm completely ambivilent.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#271
We're sorry about what happened after the BLM protests	jfern	Oct 2015	#273
Yup, I know it.	Bonobo	Oct 2015	#275
I know, boo. Alot of his supporters found it hard to watch.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#278
Sad.	Bonobo	Oct 2015	#284
Scratch that. Wasn't him opposing affirmative action. Somebody else.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#255
I get it. You want us to vote for Hillary.	Luminous Animal	Oct 2015	#207
Of course	jfern	Oct 2015	#208
We are horrible human beings. We are white supremacist	Luminous Animal	Oct 2015	#209
Who called you a white supremacist?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#267
What actions has HRC taken that lead you to describe her as left of Bernie on Racial Justice?	aikoaiko	Oct 2015	#219
Hiring more blacks.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#247
What, on her campaign?	SMC22307	Oct 2015	#261
When she was secretary of state and on her senate staff.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#262
You're making the assertion, the onus is on you.	SMC22307	Oct 2015	#264
Then do not bother looking. No me importa. I do not care. It is not important to me.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#266
Works for me. (n/t)	SMC22307	Oct 2015	#282
Irony alert: economic argument used to prove Hillary better on SJ. n/t	ieoeja	Oct 2015	#416
For us, hiring is social justice. Our applications often get tossed cause of RACISM.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#417
I don't know. How many? n/t	ieoeja	Oct 2015	#418
I cannot find the answer.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#420
I can see why that is important.	aikoaiko	Oct 2015	#435
I know what you mean about Paula.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#436
I agree.	aikoaiko	Oct 2015	#437
The majority of DU is anti-Third Way,	SMC22307	Oct 2015	#224
This is directed at those who are left on economics and right on social justice as in ignoring it.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#241
Ignoring social justice = right on social justice is pretty loopy logic.	SMC22307	Oct 2015	#258
They do exist now. I bastardized the term just like others have.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#259
And the term will be rejected...	SMC22307	Oct 2015	#263
My assertion??? It has been DOCUMENTED.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#265
Yeah, I don't remember calling you that...	SMC22307	Oct 2015	#276
I have no idea. Prolly the (redacted) pretending to be me at the cave.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#280
"Chick"? Careful, someone might consider that sexist and alert. (n/t)	SMC22307	Oct 2015	#285
Maybe i should put quotations around it?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#289
Wow! But you didn't deny that this is your post.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#399
Why would I? See my chubby face? That's me right now as I look today.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#402
omg...	cui bono	Oct 2015	#427
They were pretending to be me at the actual Cave. The Conservative Cave.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#428
Oh, okay. Except the post you replied to clearl mentioned the Clinton Cave.	cui bono	Oct 2015	#429
Your argument is fatally flawed.	DisgustipatedinCA	Oct 2015	#226
My argument is sound.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#239
No, my heart is with #BLM and LGBTQ~ As President Obama said today..	Cha	Oct 2015	#274
Great stuff Cha!!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#281
K&R	Skidmore	Oct 2015	#373
..	Cha	Oct 2015	#374
Why can't progressives want both social and economic justice?	mhatrw	Oct 2015	#341
If they do, then how are they like the people I described in my op?	bravenak	Oct 2015	#343
Some are content on separating the two but I think it is wrongheaded.	mmonk	Oct 2015	#366
Because then it wouldn't be the wedge issue the OP is looking for. (nt)	jeff47	Oct 2015	#383
Racism in America is trickle down.	raouldukelives	Oct 2015	#367
There is no such animal as a Turd Way progressive.	99Forever	Oct 2015	#368
K&R	ismnotwasm	Oct 2015	#381
I find it strange that one side is allowed to bastardize the term third way, but they will	bravenak	Oct 2015	#393
It's not a bastardization. It's a serious policy difference.	mmonk	Oct 2015	#397
I am making it about social justice. My voice will be heard. My complaints as well.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#401
And good for you for doing it	ismnotwasm	Oct 2015	#404
Exactly. Denying reality puts people in a difficult position to progress.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#406
Nobody is keeping you from speaking out (except maybe those who judge	mmonk	Oct 2015	#405
This is not only about BLM. We need a paradigm shift.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#407
And that is what those of us entrenched have to work to see	ismnotwasm	Oct 2015	#409
Perfectly stated.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#412
Agree--I'll tell you my life story someday	ismnotwasm	Oct 2015	#419
The only reason I made it was similar to you.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#421
Heh! Me too	ismnotwasm	Oct 2015	#432
I do not view the Third Way as a paradigm shift.	mmonk	Oct 2015	#411
Nor do i. I also do not believe thateconomic justice will ever come to blacks in this	bravenak	Oct 2015	#413
That is fine bravenak. I don't want to belabor the point.	mmonk	Oct 2015	#422
This is what Cognitive Dissonance looks like	AgingAmerican	Oct 2015	#384
.	mmonk	Oct 2015	#389
I'm for both social and economic justice. Just like my candidate.	PotatoChip	Oct 2015	#423
Awesome attitude!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#431
DU rec...	SidDithers	Oct 2015	#425
she is a professional jimmy rustler	wendylaroux	Oct 2015	#426
I thought they'd love to agree with me on anti leftist attutudes.	bravenak	Oct 2015	#430
So is this how you've convinced yourself to support a center-right more of the same establishment	Warren Stupidity	Oct 2015	#433
Oh no warren!	bravenak	Oct 2015	#434

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