2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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135. How quiet in general would you like us to be?

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:54 PM

Oct 2015

I seem to recall yesterday you wanted Bernie to just drop out. Would you like people that support Bernie Sanders to just go away as well?

Despite your statement yesterday I really thought we had a good conversation towards the end but now I am starting to wonder about your intentions.

You have invented a word "third way progressive" that seems to be an attempt to shift language and you don't seem to be as interested in discussing policy. I don't even know how "third way progressive" can apply to the definition you have crafted in terms of somehow going for economic justice without social justice? I mean, if you had a term like "splitters" or something then that might make sense. No, this seems more like trying to piggyback.

As I have said repeatedly to you, most progressives I know want social and economic justice both. Just because some of us are talking about economic justice more doesn't mean we don't want both. We just feel that very few people have been talking about economic justice at all and almost no one has done anything about it.

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The Rise Of Bernie Sanders And The PANIC Of The Third Way Democratic Centrists [View all] Segami Oct 2015 OP

I see Third Way Progressives panicking. bravenak Oct 2015 #1

You see something you made up panicking? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #3

Look at how they race to stop people from saying things they do not like. It's funny. bravenak Oct 2015 #5

When people panic AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #6

They harass BLM. And the AA group. Stuff like that happens sometimes. bravenak Oct 2015 #8

And sometimes they say lovely things about DUers on other websites jeff47 Oct 2015 #24

Like what? Give me an example. bravenak Oct 2015 #27

Why would I need to? You can't find any? (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #36

Why should I? I don't work for you. bravenak Oct 2015 #38

So when you asked me to find them, you thought I worked for you? (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #40

I Assumed you had them since you came to discuss them with me. bravenak Oct 2015 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author arikara Oct 2015 #234

+1 They also harass undecideds here, one of R B Garr Oct 2015 #42

One cannot even be polite and respectful without getting slammed anymore. bravenak Oct 2015 #45

When have you tried that? cui bono Oct 2015 #164

YOU asking ME that?!?!? bravenak Oct 2015 #165

Is that an example of it? cui bono Oct 2015 #170

Sometimes someone who complains about racism posts articles written by a racist cui bono Oct 2015 #163

And sometime people watch their group harass BLM and the AA group and ignore it. bravenak Oct 2015 #166

And sometimes the AA group allows its group to be used to smear a particular candidate cui bono Oct 2015 #175

Yes. Us AAs always allow ourselves to be used. No minds of our own. No agency. bravenak Oct 2015 #180

Yes, please, keep putting words in my mouth. The hosts have minds of their own. cui bono Oct 2015 #188

Btw. I got that link here. Lol. From one of your buddy's ops. bravenak Oct 2015 #168

Not that I believe you, but that absolves you? You posted an article written by a racist. cui bono Oct 2015 #171

Uh huh. Yes. School me on real racism bravenak Oct 2015 #178

Not what I'm doing. Just pointing that you use a racist's opinion when it suits you. cui bono Oct 2015 #187

If black lives matter, why can't we have a BLM debate? jfern Oct 2015 #177

I am not DWS. You must ask DWS. bravenak Oct 2015 #179

They don't see it. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #13

It is crazy to me. bravenak Oct 2015 #14

They have been going way out there. They think "Turd Way".... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #16

I think the arrogance is a reaction and hides the anger, myself. bravenak Oct 2015 #19

Remember when Hillary and McCain teamed up to attack Obama? frylock Oct 2015 #26

Is this what you are talking about? NCTraveler Oct 2015 #29

Yeah... no. You know exactly what I was talking about. frylock Oct 2015 #32

I don't see a link where a duer used McCain to go after Clinton. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #35

What does DU have to do with anything? frylock Oct 2015 #41

I love this. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #46

Do you not remember the "3 am" bullshit? frylock Oct 2015 #54

This is very strange what you are doing. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #59

What's funny is you denying the "3 am" nonsense. frylock Oct 2015 #63

+1 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #98

They act just like their candidate, frylock. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #127

+++ nt grasswire Oct 2015 #137

+1000 Segami Oct 2015 #139

uhm... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #7

Third Way Progressive is a term I defined. bravenak Oct 2015 #11

It's something you made up and this is the kind of bullshit I promised I would call you out on. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #25

If you do not like it, address it. I can define a term if I please. Language is made to be added to bravenak Oct 2015 #30

I don't like it. It's a negative label. Do you like negative labels? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #99

I sure get them. Race baiter, race nagger, racist. All here. Many times. bravenak Oct 2015 #100

I didn't read those threads. Additionally I doubt you need my protection and I will say this. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #104

Okay. Just think about how it looks from my end when folks correct me on polite language but ignore bravenak Oct 2015 #108

you do realize that this response is offensive, right? luvspeas Oct 2015 #48

Thank you. Was trying to think of a way to express truedelphi Oct 2015 #77

If you dont think the AA community hasnt been unfairly labelled in a variety Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #97

Where were you when people were calling me racist and race baiter and race nagger? bravenak Oct 2015 #101

see above Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #107

I did, thanks. bravenak Oct 2015 #111

Right by your side friend... luvspeas Oct 2015 #112

Yep. I remember. bravenak Oct 2015 #116

Badge of pride... luvspeas Oct 2015 #122

I wore it as a badge of honor too. bravenak Oct 2015 #124

Thank you. If I had said what I wanted in response to that foolishness, it would be 7-0 hide Number23 Oct 2015 #106

omg... so we're just allowed to change definitions now? Why, because the person who is making up bs cui bono Oct 2015 #169

I know of no one that fits that definition. kenfrequed Oct 2015 #74

I see them. bravenak Oct 2015 #95

Well you only have my word I suppose kenfrequed Oct 2015 #131

I think if you see it now you'll notice. bravenak Oct 2015 #133

Speaking of TW fabrication, this doozy about 2014 midterms.... cprise Oct 2015 #83

I have no idea what this has to do with me defining a term. bravenak Oct 2015 #94

You coin a phrase that Third Way demonstrates is an oxymoron. cprise Oct 2015 #128

Not everything is about breaking up the banks and market speculation. bravenak Oct 2015 #132

Not everything is about finance, but they can now effortlessly dominate *any* issue cprise Oct 2015 #145

That is because you got more of your experience of racism from books than from experience. bravenak Oct 2015 #149

"a slave of a poor white man" - I believe it! cprise Oct 2015 #174

It profits and so do all whites from it. We do not profit. bravenak Oct 2015 #181

Well then you're welcome to harp about how Clinton cprise Oct 2015 #186

Right here. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #146

Oh, the "Progressive" Policy Institute and the "Progressive" Coalition for Jobs.. cascadiance Oct 2015 #9

No. bravenak Oct 2015 #12

No to what?... cascadiance Oct 2015 #22

Just Denial. cprise Oct 2015 #78

I hope they are panicking. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #147

The Third Way was a conservative move to fight progressivism w/o being tied to the Republicons. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #18

That turd way thing with the spelling is childish in my opinion. bravenak Oct 2015 #21

Spelling aside, supporting the 1% will not get social justice. They are lying. They rhett o rick Oct 2015 #23

Supporting a candidate who does not address the harassment of blm and other aa's by bravenak Oct 2015 #31

I couldn't agree more with these two statements, "How you respond to events tells alot about how rhett o rick Oct 2015 #61

And Bernie will possibly need to be interrupted to notive the black ommunity and their plight. bravenak Oct 2015 #67

Its safe to say neither wanted a race-themed issue to start with cprise Oct 2015 #113

It is not clear to my black self or most other blacks that she lagged behind him on race. bravenak Oct 2015 #120

Funny how you changed your position on that. nt malokvale77 Oct 2015 #148

Funny how having racist hate mail sent to ones home might change ones mind. Funny that. Nt bravenak Oct 2015 #150

Sounds to me you got took. nt malokvale77 Oct 2015 #154

Oh, no! I'm watching them talk about the race card right now. Just like I see republicans do. bravenak Oct 2015 #159

Or maybe he could just continue to meet with Campaign Zero, as he has been, to work on solutions. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #114

Yes. And his fans should quietly follow suit so as to not make it look contradictory. bravenak Oct 2015 #118

How quiet in general would you like us to be? kenfrequed Oct 2015 #135

Quiet as far as not needing to announce to the world that they are doing it. Not in volume. bravenak Oct 2015 #136

I think everyone has issues that they perceive aren't getting enough attention... cascadiance Oct 2015 #151

Learning How to talk and Think Like a Down to Earth Working Class Person is Essential McKim Oct 2015 #102

Yeah. I'm sure it's hard for me as a black women to speak 'down to earth'. Yeah. Okay. bravenak Oct 2015 #103

Exactly Third Way is simply the REICH trying to buy the Democratic party. The problem is We are not Vincardog Oct 2015 #58

Define "Third Way Progressives" in the context of the very real Third Way. frylock Oct 2015 #28

No. bravenak Oct 2015 #33

No, I can't. frylock Oct 2015 #34

No. You don't tell me what to do, no. That no. The one where I just say no because I do not like bravenak Oct 2015 #37

I ASKED you to define a "Third Way Progressive" in the context of the Third Way.. frylock Oct 2015 #44

You came to me and you asked rudely. Maybe try a better way. bravenak Oct 2015 #47

Pretty please, with sugar on top? frylock Oct 2015 #56

Third Way Progressives are to the right of Third Way Democrats on social justice. bravenak Oct 2015 #57

This is nothing than your opinion, and it has no basis in reality.. frylock Oct 2015 #60

The women were addressing the city of Seattle as containing white supremacist liberalism. bravenak Oct 2015 #65

The tag came from the women addressing the city of Seattle. jeff47 Oct 2015 #79

Yes. They were right about the city. bravenak Oct 2015 #144

So, gonna correct your claims that #bowdownbernie was not connected to them? (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #217

I said I don't really know who started it. bravenak Oct 2015 #223

I like the way you fixed that problem. Android3.14 Oct 2015 #49

3rd Way Progressive? Huh?! Ferd Berfel Oct 2015 #52

And Third Way Progressive is naming those soft on social justice. bravenak Oct 2015 #55

That's a totally made up term... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #68

And the other type hates that so they go soft on social justice as a reaction. bravenak Oct 2015 #71

So, what your asserting… tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #87

No. Not all, some. bravenak Oct 2015 #90

Well, I'm not sure I totally understand your post tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #105

I am glad you see what I see. bravenak Oct 2015 #125

indeed stupidicus Oct 2015 #96

FYI malokvale77 Oct 2015 #152

LOL -- are you actually claiming that softness on social justice stupidicus Oct 2015 #89

Did I ever use Bernie's name in my definition? bravenak Oct 2015 #92

that's irrelevant stupidicus Oct 2015 #117

I was talking about folks who use race card, race nagger, gender card... bravenak Oct 2015 #119

Madam, there is no such thing as a Third Way Progressive Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #84

There is now. bravenak Oct 2015 #93

Again, there isn't now any such thing any more than there is now a married bachelor Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #138

I read that book at six and many times since. bravenak Oct 2015 #141

Nope, I thought that was a joke, actually! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #235

Hillary a loyal Dem, most prgressive are voting for her lewebley3 Oct 2015 #109

She is. Loyalty is important. bravenak Oct 2015 #110

Oh dear... malokvale77 Oct 2015 #156

Once I see a person ignore the obvious issue, They amuse me, lol. bravenak Oct 2015 #158

What is the obvious issue? Live and Learn Oct 2015 #194

I swear to God I never trust a group of folks who say 'Race Card' day after day. bravenak Oct 2015 #224

What a good loyalist you would have made. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #193

Yes. But my people were slaves not the founders. bravenak Oct 2015 #225

So you would rather we stayed loyal to the King? Live and Learn Oct 2015 #228

Slavery ended in England much sooner. bravenak Oct 2015 #232

Much sooner? You mean like 30 years sooner? Live and Learn Oct 2015 #236

I am 34. That is a lifetime to a slave. Many did not live much past 40. bravenak Oct 2015 #239

I'd really like to know why you are voting for her? Live and Learn Oct 2015 #192

I echo your sentiment coyote Oct 2015 #203

i've asked a few times and gotten very few replies... Live and Learn Oct 2015 #204

I have never had so many white people gang up on me and call me racist before. bravenak Oct 2015 #226

Who called you a racist? And how do you know what 'color' posters are? Live and Learn Oct 2015 #227

I know what color they are because they said what color they were. bravenak Oct 2015 #231

Yeah, I am sure Hillary will help you a lot. Good luck. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #237

I am sure Bernie won't notice me, let alone help. He voted for mass incarceration.nt bravenak Oct 2015 #238

Actualy, that was Hillary but whatever. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #240

Obama was too progressive for them in his message Armstead Oct 2015 #2

yup kenfrequed Oct 2015 #4

I think he got the Presidency because he sold his soul to the Third Way. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #20

That is sort of defeatist kenfrequed Oct 2015 #76

I also believe he had good intentions but when he became president, those that are rhett o rick Oct 2015 #121

It would be nice if my impression of the President could be so generous. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #201

McCain doesn't seem to be panicing. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #10

Did y'all get the same tpm on how... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #64

I guess you're against increasing veteran benefits then. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #80

^^^This^^^ malokvale77 Oct 2015 #160

The best part is that it undermines their argument.. frylock Oct 2015 #189

Since when does 25% support indicate a rise? StrongBad Oct 2015 #15

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #17

Message to base: Don't you liberal bastards dare think about having a more progressive government! Scuba Oct 2015 #39

That's the core of the message, isn't it? Very sad. eom Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #207

K&R -- Thanks, Segami! senz Oct 2015 #50

Your post would be better without that graphic at the top Matariki Oct 2015 #51

K n R bbgrunt Oct 2015 #53

These same Centrists that lost the midterms for us Phlem Oct 2015 #62

The very same. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #161

! Phlem Oct 2015 #182

In solidarity. nt malokvale77 Oct 2015 #185

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #202

Yeah, God forbid we go back to pre-corporate-whore thinking! polichick Oct 2015 #66

As they should be, along with their progressive republican cousins stupidicus Oct 2015 #69

k&R azmom Oct 2015 #70

I think that they still think it is 1992. And they actually jwirr Oct 2015 #72

As someone who tabled on a local issue last year, I heard again and again from truedelphi Oct 2015 #81

Not sure what you mean but since the group that did it is jwirr Oct 2015 #126

And President Obama promised that ACA Plans and Medicare would go down in price as each DhhD Oct 2015 #134

You do know that what he said while he was running only jwirr Oct 2015 #143

Many of us learned to read between the lines after 2008.. frylock Oct 2015 #190

Precisely. Apparently many didn't learn to read between the lines. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #205

Seems pretty simple to me... AzDar Oct 2015 #73

While I agree with the message, passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #75

The truth is not always nice. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #162

This is still a democratic forum, passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #167

Really? malokvale77 Oct 2015 #172

Yeah, I've been overwhelmed lately with all the nasty graphics of Bernie, passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #173

I have been nice far too long. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #184

I understand your sentiments. Do I ever. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #206

Par for the course for a certain crowd. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #176

Her lies are documented. frylock Oct 2015 #191

Alert results Bryce Butler Oct 2015 #82

Yup. Segami Oct 2015 #85

seems to me ibegurpard Oct 2015 #88

Nov 2016 DownriverDem Oct 2015 #86

Yeah, we better not allow these crazy thoughts of equality, peace and real freedom to enter Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #91

It might mess everything up! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #209

All the undoing of FDR they've done over the last 35 years would be ruined, just ruined..... Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #241

Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #115

yeah yeah yeah.. gloom, dispair, and agony on me. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #123

In other words, the status quo suits you fine since you are doing well under it. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #199

I'd say the ones that were panicking... SidDithers Oct 2015 #129

What, no giggling gnome? Tummy still aches? Segami Oct 2015 #140

And the Sequel: The fall of Bernie and the Panic of the Brogressives BootinUp Oct 2015 #130

Sorry Segami... malokvale77 Oct 2015 #142

As the article says, PatrickforO Oct 2015 #153

+1 Ignore bullshit and elect Bernie. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #198

Sing it Oilwellian Oct 2015 #243

Lots of replies.... quickesst Oct 2015 #155

Thanks for wasting my time. It will be the last time. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #197

Ok.... quickesst Oct 2015 #200

There is no "real rise "of Bernie sanders that appears to be over. FloridaBlues Oct 2015 #157

Wish away! nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #196

Out of curiosity, can you point to any thread that needed a photoshopped image of Sanders to "sell"? brooklynite Oct 2015 #183

Is that really the important topic that you derived from this? Live and Learn Oct 2015 #195

No, but I take the "they're scared of us" mantra as par for the course. brooklynite Oct 2015 #213

IMO, Daley was doing Hillary a solid. Reeks of kabuki. merrily Oct 2015 #208

I don't think you understand the meaning of panic workinclasszero Oct 2015 #210

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #211

no PANIC at all. stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #212

"Don't think we aren't watching", sez the bankers. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #214

Another day in the most democracy Wall St investors will allow. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #215

Maybe you should stop using childishness to push your Candidate. rbrnmw Oct 2015 #216

Hmmmm....I smell desperation! Walk away Oct 2015 #218

I recall the use of this image once before on DU DFW Oct 2015 #219

Post after post on DU snort Oct 2015 #220

Panic Tarc Oct 2015 #221

A massive kick and a hearty rec Populist_Prole Oct 2015 #222

Thom Hartmann read off a list of the Third Way members all but a few were investment bankers. Snotcicles Oct 2015 #229

So does that mean that HRC is going to back peddle on some of Bernie's positions? d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #230

Good Topic! People Really Got Into It. eom. NonMetro Oct 2015 #233

Kick...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #242