2016 Postmortem

pinebox

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21. Myth 4!

Reply to hill2016 (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 12:16 AM

Nov 2015

Myth 4: Bernie doesn’t deserve our support because he isn’t a Democrat.
Bernie Sanders is an Independent, but it’s a really stupid reason not to support him. Bernie Sanders has caucused with the Democrats his entire congressional career spanning 34 years. He was chosen to chair the Veterans Committee by the Democrats. But most importantly, Bernie Sanders actually is closer to the Democratic Party platform than any other candidate in the race. Some Democrats are D in name only (DINO’s), and act more like Republicans. The issues we stand for as Democrats are on par with the issues Bernie Sanders stands for. He is the embodiment of an FDR New Deal Democrat. The American Political Spectrum and how Dems have allowed their party to shift right http://plus.google.com/+OleOlson/posts/jdRFsKh6vYN

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Bernie is not a Democrat. What gives his supporters the right to criticize the super-delegates [View all] hill2016 Nov 2015 OP

Link? JackInGreen Nov 2015 #1

This is probably a recycled attack from 2008 jfern Nov 2015 #2

I'm thinkin JackInGreen Nov 2015 #6

It's best to ignore the flamebait. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #8

True JackInGreen Nov 2015 #10

I'm guilty of it too. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #13

Yes correct! yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #179

Some ops don't deserve a reply. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #213

I would just rather yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #215

Lol! Good plan! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #216

I'm thinking hill2016 Nov 2015 #17

Yeah, well tough shit. frylock Nov 2015 #28

my sentiments excactly. litlbilly Nov 2015 #109

I havnt heard anyone say that they oughtent on thei JackInGreen Nov 2015 #38

holy fucking shit. Phlem Nov 2015 #45

Have you decided who you are supporting? This would be the same, if you have made a decision Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #55

Because it renders the voting moot. djean111 Nov 2015 #143

If giving an opinion about which candidate renders the voting moot, there will be very few Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #147

Super-delegates are only useful in a close race between two presidential nominees. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #178

He cannot tell Democrats how to run their primaries. Not his place. He did not join OUR party. bravenak Nov 2015 #3

He's been a member of the Democratic caucus for almost 25 years jfern Nov 2015 #9

That does not make him a member of the Democratic party. bravenak Nov 2015 #12

Who cares? He's more of a Democrat than some 3rd way hawk. jfern Nov 2015 #14

then hill2016 Nov 2015 #20

Well lets see jfern Nov 2015 #23

Apparently swear a blood oath. pinstikfartherin Nov 2015 #51

Sounds like shackin' up to me... LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #53

run as a Democrat hill2016 Nov 2015 #61

In 2014. He's running as a Democrat in 2016. merrily Nov 2015 #123

Bernie consistently wins the democratic nomination in Vermont JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #134

He is part of the party. When are you going to stop repeating the falsehood that he is not? merrily Nov 2015 #103

Nope, really, he's not. He's nothing like being a Democrat. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #26

He is not a democrat bravenak Nov 2015 #52

The DNC obviously thinks otherwise and seems to trump the unsupported opinion of some DUers merrily Nov 2015 #69

I don't believe I've read anywhere where the DNC says Bernie is a Dem Sheepshank Nov 2015 #76

He would not have been in the debates for Democrats if the DNC did not consider him a Dem. They also merrily Nov 2015 #84

It's mind boggling that you even have to point out something so fricking obvious n/t deutsey Nov 2015 #145

I know, right? merrily Nov 2015 #241

Courtesies and politeness isn't the same thing as announcing Bernie is a Democrat Sheepshank Nov 2015 #149

Courtesy, LOL! Please try to grasp Vermont voter registration law. It's relatively simple. merrily Nov 2015 #209

Bernie could have run on th Rep ticket too, right? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #211

Bernie never asked the DNC for permission to run as a Democrat, nor did he have to. merrily Nov 2015 #214

I been told if you are voting for Bernie yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #183

Hmmm. Just posted this in reply to someone else. merrily Nov 2015 #231

OH i didn't see that!!! yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #232

I am so sorry that you had to read a racist statement like that anywhere, let alone on DU. merrily Nov 2015 #237

P.S. You might check the home page of democrats. org right now. merrily Nov 2015 #93

But where..anywhere have the words been used from DNC that Bernie is a Dem Sheepshank Nov 2015 #150

that is baldly false dsc Nov 2015 #156

That is correct about O'Malley. Hillary was a Republican beyond high school though, even merrily Nov 2015 #212

You might want to check the Sanders campaign wiki page VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #234

So does DU Mnpaul Nov 2015 #88

Good point, but the DNC trumps even Skinner. merrily Nov 2015 #95

Nope...only Bernie supporters try to press the meme that Sheepshank Nov 2015 #151

Why don't you look this up Mnpaul Nov 2015 #154

As a independent socialist it makes sense that Dem platform Sheepshank Nov 2015 #155

Why are you avoiding the term "Democratic Socialist" Mnpaul Nov 2015 #161

I didn't avoid anything Sheepshank Nov 2015 #162

You used Independent Socialist Mnpaul Nov 2015 #165

He is an Independent and a Socialist Sheepshank Nov 2015 #174

Democratic Socialist who used to run as an Independent does not conflate to merrily Nov 2015 #235

As I'd already mentioned, I'm not attempting to create a new political philosophy. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #248

Apparently, you have your own definition of "fact." Bernie is a Democratic Socialist running for the merrily Nov 2015 #249

Bernie has Unequivocally stated he is NOT a DEMOCRAT Sheepshank Nov 2015 #252

How about we give his specific chosen identity, for this election: Karma13612 Nov 2015 #225

Well if you don't think Bernie has denigrated Democrats Sheepshank Nov 2015 #251

This one is just dumb, too treestar Nov 2015 #164

Don't take the bait. frylock Nov 2015 #30

Caucussing WITH Democrats does not make you one.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #233

Where did Bernie tell Democrats how to run anything. And, yes, he did join, when he announced merrily Nov 2015 #97

Someone on ignore must have replied. It kicked this post back up. bravenak Nov 2015 #102

................. polly7 Nov 2015 #206

Oh Booohooo. get over yourself. our party my ass litlbilly Nov 2015 #110

I can't get over myself. I am too awesome. Thx. bravenak Nov 2015 #111

Since you are my friend you are awesome! yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #186

Thank you! bravenak Nov 2015 #239

:) yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #240

lol m-lekktor Nov 2015 #189

Never!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #238

He isn't, we are. Don't like it? That's unfortunate. TheKentuckian Nov 2015 #259

The same right all Americans enjoy.... daleanime Nov 2015 #4

Nobody has a right to say anything if they don'lt support Clinton Armstead Nov 2015 #5

We all make our choices. Bernie chose to be redstateblues Nov 2015 #19

I wasn't aware that being a socialist was a disqualifier for our party n/t Hydra Nov 2015 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #139

Passing that, Bernie is not a socialist. merrily Nov 2015 #244

Untrue. He chose to be a Democratic Socialist. But, you knew that. merrily Nov 2015 #242

I don't remember him saying anything about them mythology Nov 2015 #7

I am a long time registered Democratic voter and I have as much right for a say as any Hillary Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #11

how long have you been hill2016 Nov 2015 #15

Irrelevant. Constitutional rights are not waived by passage of time. merrily Nov 2015 #22

Show me where in the consitution it bans super delegates. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #33

Read the OP again. And maybe try to follow a line of reasoning. merrily Nov 2015 #47

You might want to read the Constitution Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #141

Oooh, what a condescending suggestion! Especially for one so utterly misplaced! merrily Nov 2015 #217

Political parties existed before the inception of the United States. Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #220

The Constitution does not have extra territorial reach. And, again, please see Reply 47. merrily Nov 2015 #221

Since 1992, when I turned 18. jeff47 Nov 2015 #167

You complaint is directed at Democratic supporters of Bernie Sanders not how long one Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #219

Bernie is a Democrat or he would be ineligible to run for the Democratic nomination. merrily Nov 2015 #16

hm... hill2016 Nov 2015 #24

My prior post, which you seem to have ignored, addressed that. merrily Nov 2015 #29

which previous post number hill2016 Nov 2015 #49

I think we are attempting to reason with topic changing click bait conservative disruptors. Who seem Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #222

They do not outnumber traditional Democrats on this site. Far from it. merrily Nov 2015 #223

Hi thanks for the encouraging reply. nt Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #253

here's the last Vermont ballot hill2016 Nov 2015 #63

Running as a Democrat before is not required to run as a Democrat in 2016. Nor does merrily Nov 2015 #67

as a newcomer and outsider hill2016 Nov 2015 #71

Make up your mind. Is he a newcomer or an outsider? He can't be both. merrily Nov 2015 #90

I am a Democrat. I can criticize whatever I damn well please. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #18

as an outsider hill2016 Nov 2015 #65

He's on the Democratic ballot with the blessing of the Democratic party, running as a Democrat Scootaloo Nov 2015 #70

On the Dem ticket...but not as a Dem since he has never declared himself to be a Dem Sheepshank Nov 2015 #152

Again. Take it up with the party. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #157

You are confusing two issues Sheepshank Nov 2015 #158

I'm telling you that the party has welcomed him onto the ballot Scootaloo Nov 2015 #159

Why would I "bitch" about something to the DNC that I don't think is a big deal? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #160

If you don't think it's a big deal, why have you been posting about it for two days? merrily Nov 2015 #245

Because regardless of the DNC's political maneuverings, Bernie isn't a Dem Sheepshank Nov 2015 #246

Deflection fail. Either it's important enough to you or it isn't. merrily Nov 2015 #247

I agree but go further. I'm not a Westboro Baptist Church member but I criticize them, too. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #138

Myth 4! pinebox Nov 2015 #21

aren't hill2016 Nov 2015 #25

nope pinebox Nov 2015 #34

Yep. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #36

Nope. eom Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #57

The people within the Party with actual authority to decide who is a Democrat have decided Bernie is merrily Nov 2015 #37

bingo. pinebox Nov 2015 #39

Agree with this. eom saltpoint Nov 2015 #87

I second this yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #192

When he ran for the Senate, he was an Indy. Running for POTUS, he is a Democrat or he would merrily Nov 2015 #46

That would be the Constitution. saltpoint Nov 2015 #27

these flamebait OPs are great for building the ignore list. Otherwise, useless. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2015 #31

Right?! JackInGreen Nov 2015 #42

I won't have an ignore list but yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #191

. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2015 #196

backatcha! yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #199

Oh, who fucking GIVES a SHIT about fucking superdelegates sibelian Nov 2015 #32

Who the fuck are you? frylock Nov 2015 #35

Bingo! Suddenly has more authority than the DNC to decide who is a Democrat! LOL! merrily Nov 2015 #40

but.... pinebox Nov 2015 #43

Anything less juvenile to say? shenmue Nov 2015 #117

If you're defending the OP, I don't know that your judgment can be trusted.. frylock Nov 2015 #122

I don't know, maybe the First Amendment. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #41

the right to criticize anything is my right as a U.S. American aidbo Nov 2015 #44

wtf????? delrem Nov 2015 #48

Early on Hillary was a Goldwater girl. saltpoint Nov 2015 #50

Also went to a couple of Republican national conventions. merrily Nov 2015 #62

Yep. So by the original poster's own rules, saltpoint Nov 2015 #72

Where have you been??? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #74

Hey there. You saltpoint Nov 2015 #79

Yes, that was tragic. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #81

So then Elizabeth Warren ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #73

I think you know better than to make such saltpoint Nov 2015 #77

HRC was a "Republican" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #89

Sorry, this is about candidacies. If Sanders is saltpoint Nov 2015 #99

And I haven't replied to the OP. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #105

When you miss a point on purpose, saltpoint Nov 2015 #107

I reply to posts ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #112

Hard to say when your saltpoint Nov 2015 #113

As I said ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #120

It would be my impression that the saltpoint Nov 2015 #121

Long time DU tradition ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #125

Thanks for your input saltpoint Nov 2015 #126

And yours. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #129

Me either, Nance. So what Hillary was a Goldwater girl before she could vote? What in the world Cha Nov 2015 #131

Several untrue statements in your post, NanceGreggs. merrily Nov 2015 #226

Hey, it's Old Crusoe! Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #91

Blue, howdy-do and all saltpoint Nov 2015 #92

I know. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #94

Evidently Jeb! though he had this one in the bag. saltpoint Nov 2015 #100

saltpoint! Dr. Strange Nov 2015 #166

Dr. Strange! In the flesh. saltpoint Nov 2015 #171

Morrison did indeed write some heavy lyrics. Dr. Strange Nov 2015 #172

Good question. I am looking saltpoint Nov 2015 #173

So you like super-delegates? Isn't that special? The whole process is exceedingly special. highprincipleswork Nov 2015 #56

the hill2016 Nov 2015 #66

Nope. It an undemocratic process and should be changed, but you pretend otherwise to help your merrily Nov 2015 #75

truly can't appreciate the consciousness of the usual Clinton fan highprincipleswork Nov 2015 #133

The first amendment. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #58

The right to complain falls under the ninth amendment Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #59

First, Ninth and Tenth. merrily Nov 2015 #68

Sniff sniff DJ13 Nov 2015 #60

They can criticize all they want. MADem Nov 2015 #64

Delegates and their involvement in the process bkkyosemite Nov 2015 #83

It's a problem to you. It's not a problem to me and most long-term Democrats. nt MADem Nov 2015 #85

Interesting Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #78

Can he still run as a independant and if so, could this benefit him? Pauldg47 Nov 2015 #80

I don't think so. MADem Nov 2015 #86

Anyone, including Hillary, can still run as an independent if state law (state by state) allows him merrily Nov 2015 #106

K&R RandySF Nov 2015 #82

I am not worried about it. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #96

A question zalinda Nov 2015 #98

Good points and this crap is turning young people off the Democratic Party as well. merrily Nov 2015 #101

I've often thought that it would be good if people ran on their ideas mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #114

IMO, the Clintons and their DLC have had a very detrimental impact on the D brand. Her branding is merrily Nov 2015 #116

And her logo is dominated by a big, red arrow mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #127

Yes, and that did account for a good portion of the laughter mentioned in my prior post. merrily Nov 2015 #130

You edit does not save your OP. A candidate and his supporters are not a single entity or person. merrily Nov 2015 #104

Guess you conveniently forgot that he has ALWAYS caucused with Democrats. SoapBox Nov 2015 #108

No, he hasn't. He voted against the Brady Bill five times. shenmue Nov 2015 #118

+1 ucrdem Nov 2015 #124

We have the right as citizens to question the fitness of candidates for the presidency. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #115

Why does it seem some democrats are insisting on yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #190

Some Democrats seem to see The Party as a sort of cult with worshippers and high priests. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #195

love that quote yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #198

Do itashimashte. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #201

The entire frame of mind of this post is repulsive. Old Crow Nov 2015 #119

I can criticize whoever the fuck I want to criticize ibegurpard Nov 2015 #128

The "Bernie is not a Democrat" argument is tired and stupid. Gore1FL Nov 2015 #132

Bwahahahaha! Best joke I've heard this morning! Fearless Nov 2015 #135

If a candidate wants your votes DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #136

Hey, if a pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, pro-H1B Visas woman can run as a Democrat ... Scuba Nov 2015 #137

Sanders supports the Dem platform much more than many with the official D after the name n/t eridani Nov 2015 #140

Let's see. Because they are not democratic? mhatrw Nov 2015 #142

Wow...DU has gone completely off the rails deutsey Nov 2015 #144

And what will you do to stop us? demwing Nov 2015 #146

Oh KEWL. A fucking reeking stinkbait thread from Camp Weathervane. 99Forever Nov 2015 #148

The spin cycle is set on "nuts". From "Bernie is a warhawk" to "Bernie is not a Democrat" GoneFishin Nov 2015 #153

True all the ranting about how the Democratic Party is not treestar Nov 2015 #163

No, entitled is demanding Democrats shut up and blindly follow. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #170

My birth gives me the right to criticize anything I want to criticize. Next. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #168

I am a Democrat. I have been officially a Democrat since I turned 18. jeff47 Nov 2015 #169

This! Jeff yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #197

Sanders is more of a Democrat than Hillary will ever be AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #175

I have the right, thank you HassleCat Nov 2015 #176

Perhaps that we are members of the Democratic party??? LoveIsNow Nov 2015 #177

Uhm because most of his supporters ARE democrats! kenfrequed Nov 2015 #180

We can criticize and complain whatever we want. This isn't a coronation. Vinca Nov 2015 #181

The First Amendment. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #182

The First Fucking Amendment gives me the right to criticize whomever the fuck I want. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #184

Despite what he tells his supporters and constituents, Bernie IS a Democrat - according to his BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #185

Simple answer. We are. Democrats. nt LWolf Nov 2015 #187

The First Amendment. Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #188

What gives us the right? Are you fucking kidding? bowens43 Nov 2015 #193

I say...fuck seniority. davidn3600 Nov 2015 #194

I remember a time when DU had "Unrec" yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #200

Yes, my goodness, the system that gave us Mondale/Ferraro jberryhill Nov 2015 #202

The Superdelegates... FarPoint Nov 2015 #203

Because the bulk of his supporters are Democrats. Zen Democrat Nov 2015 #204

Well...if he's not a Democrat, are we as his supporters considered part of the party? madfloridian Nov 2015 #205

Of course we are. And he is a Democrat, so there is no need to go further. merrily Nov 2015 #227

Because we are Democrats and we can. Autumn Nov 2015 #207

'pay your dues' is a real turn off LettuceSea Nov 2015 #208

you Hillary people are unfuckingbelievable! m-lekktor Nov 2015 #210

K&R RandySF Nov 2015 #218

A simple litmus test postatomic Nov 2015 #224

That is not the litmus test for who is a Democrat. And Sanders is running as Democrat. merrily Nov 2015 #243

Who brought up Nader? postatomic Nov 2015 #254

He ran when he was not with the Green Party, too. And, no, it's not a litmus test for deciding who merrily Nov 2015 #255

Are you running for office? postatomic Nov 2015 #257

Nothing in your post has to do with who is a Democrat and who isn't, but no worries! merrily Nov 2015 #258

Because the supporters are Democrats? Babel_17 Nov 2015 #228

I thought he had switched... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #229

Because their machinists and nothing more, part of the reason we're here . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #230

So many people taking the bait Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #236

Something called "The First Amendment". Heard of it? John Poet Nov 2015 #250

As an American, I have the right to criticize any elected official. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #256