2016 Postmortem

Aerows

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68. Here's the thing

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 02:15 PM

Nov 2015

As her own person, she has taken some really crappy positions. Normal, everyday people are tired of war. Normal, everyday people are against another trade agreement that exports jobs to another country.

It has absolutely nothing, for me, to do with Republicans poisoning the Clinton well. We have GOT to do something differently than we have been doing. Hillary Clinton herself said "I haven't had to drive a car since 1996."

She is more than capable of screwing up all by herself with haughty statements like that. Flirting with the idea of raising the retirement age for Social Security is another issue. Then there is the huge reluctance to raise the SS cap which would keep SS solvent for 85 years.

Do you understand where I am coming from? This isn't about Republicans. This is about Hillary Clinton.

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If I tell you a pear is an apple does that make it true? [View all] rbrnmw Nov 2015 OP

There are people here ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #1

Yes I am seeing that more and more rbrnmw Nov 2015 #2

And now so many-not all-- riversedge Nov 2015 #26

It says more about them than they realize rbrnmw Nov 2015 #27

You are projecting. You are doing exactly what you are complaining about. See reply #8. Electric Monk Nov 2015 #28

If I didn't know better, I would think we had a bunch of Republicans on board liberal N proud Nov 2015 #77

Look in the mirror. eom willvotesdem Nov 2015 #78

E-mails gone. Biden gone. Bengazi panel gone. They've nothing oasis Nov 2015 #3

It's sad because we are not their enemy rbrnmw Nov 2015 #4

In their fervor to boost their candidate, they tuned out Hillary's oasis Nov 2015 #11

It hurts rbrnmw Nov 2015 #12

I'd say some in their number never voted for a Democrat, ever. (eom) oasis Nov 2015 #14

Some have said that they never voted rbrnmw Nov 2015 #15

Sorry, but this subthread is full of bs. cui bono Nov 2015 #35

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Nov 2015 #42

I have never done anything like that personally rbrnmw Nov 2015 #47

So of course that means that it isn't happening. frylock Nov 2015 #69

First of all, your rant about the Hillary support site is misguided. oasis Nov 2015 #64

Uninterrupted, free flowing discussion of what? frylock Nov 2015 #71

Why should you care about what is discussed at that site or any oasis Nov 2015 #81

I too don't get the hate Doctor_J Nov 2015 #67

Exactly. Aerows Nov 2015 #75

And, I was in all of them. Once it was over I moved on after a grace period. Cha Nov 2015 #99

Sadly, some suffer from self imposed tunnel vision. In their quest oasis Nov 2015 #101

Who in fucking hell EVER gave a shit about Benghazi or emails? eridani Nov 2015 #9

Just about everyone? So you deny seeing OP after OP about oasis Nov 2015 #13

Denial runs so deep. riversedge Nov 2015 #63

Yup, just as deep as this patch of crickets I'm sitting in from my post. oasis Nov 2015 #65

Well some did care they posted nasty op's about them rbrnmw Nov 2015 #16

I am an IT professional, and I care about the mail server. frylock Nov 2015 #72

But the problems with the server are widespread in government IT systems eridani Nov 2015 #98

So then anybody in govt should be able to set up their own mail server? frylock Nov 2015 #102

She should have. So should a lot of other people n/t eridani Nov 2015 #103

What are your credentials in the industry? frylock Nov 2015 #104

I don't have any. The problem seems to be government officials not having any, and not being eridani Nov 2015 #105

So you've never worked as a sys admin, don't understand the basics of IT security or best practice.. frylock Nov 2015 #106

I'm saying that the problem is not UNIQUE to Clinton n/t eridani Nov 2015 #107

Yes, it is.. frylock Nov 2015 #108

But what about the rest of the government apart from the State Department? n/t eridani Nov 2015 #109

I am not aware of any other government employees who have set up their own mail server.. frylock Nov 2015 #110

Thought that it was not all that unusual n/t eridani Nov 2015 #111

Powell had two systems set up in his office, but used the govt system to conduct State business.. frylock Nov 2015 #112

As far as we know he only used the govt system for business--that's what he says, anyway eridani Nov 2015 #113

IBD/TIPP has her at just 48% without all that jfern Nov 2015 #20

One poll? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #52

Everyone? Nah, just a little more than half of Americans hold her in a negative light Electric Monk Nov 2015 #5

That was during the email fracas rbrnmw Nov 2015 #6

So do you have a way of turning back time? cui bono Nov 2015 #33

"nearly matching the nadir she reached in April 2008 during her first presidential bid" nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #34

Favorability polls? Dem2 Nov 2015 #7

"Attacking," seriously? Bernin4U Nov 2015 #25

What are President Obama's favorabilities VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #55

"Our candidate"? She's not "our candidate". She's a candidate, and not a very good one either. Scuba Nov 2015 #43

Have you seen the lastest polls? rbrnmw Nov 2015 #24

and what are President Obama's "negatives" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #53

You are doing exactly what you are complaining about Fumesucker Nov 2015 #8

It's the MIC that I hate eridani Nov 2015 #10

Uh, well Aerows Nov 2015 #17

Ok you got me there rbrnmw Nov 2015 #18

Biology and critters Aerows Nov 2015 #19

Cool rbrnmw Nov 2015 #21

I suppose that on occasion Aerows Nov 2015 #22

It did indeed make me laugh thanks rbrnmw Nov 2015 #23

I'd like to add a few things too: lovemydog Nov 2015 #29

actually you are wrong...Democratic Socialists VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #56

I call myself a democratic socialist. I don't oppose ALL capitalism. lovemydog Nov 2015 #89

You might ....but unless you oppose all Capitalism VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #91

And my proof VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #92

And what do THEY say..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #93

Who is THEY? lovemydog Nov 2015 #95

Democratic Socialists..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #96

That's from the first sentence of a wikipedia article on upper case lovemydog Nov 2015 #97

Calling Hillary a progressive that will work tirelessly... Kalidurga Nov 2015 #30

Polls show she has rather high unfavorability. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #31

I am absolutely not sure Aerows Nov 2015 #40

Here's some more for you... cui bono Nov 2015 #32

And notice the lack of need to turn it into a straw man Bernin4U Nov 2015 #36

Saying those things doesn't make them true, but Mike__M Nov 2015 #38

You mean like the Republicans did rbrnmw Nov 2015 #46

Yes, very much like that Mike__M Nov 2015 #80

Only on DU. n/t Lil Missy Nov 2015 #37

Unless you are talking to the people at the dry cleaners Aerows Nov 2015 #39

The Republicans had 30 years to brainwash rbrnmw Nov 2015 #45

Here's the thing Aerows Nov 2015 #68

Saw a woman at the flu shot clinic this weekend with a Sander 2016 shirt. frylock Nov 2015 #73

Nobody said everyone, and the fact that you can't tell the truth Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #41

I editd it rbrnmw Nov 2015 #44

Doesn't change the fact that you engaged in exactly what you were complaining about Fumesucker Nov 2015 #48

Thanks, now please edit the word "hate" because that also is dishonest. Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #90

Also..... Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #94

It's a good thing LWolf Nov 2015 #49

No but a lot of threads have rbrnmw Nov 2015 #50

Do you have a link Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #51

Do a search rbrnmw Nov 2015 #54

No thank you. Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #58

I have to go to work rbrnmw Nov 2015 #59

No problem. Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #60

You too rbrnmw Nov 2015 #61

Is this about Hillary trying to revise the history of DOMA into the history of a pear? Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #57

I agree. Saying something does not make it true. How many times does this have to be said. betsuni Nov 2015 #62

It's only true to the person who doesn't know the difference between a pear and an apple. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #66

Yes that's what happens rbrnmw Nov 2015 #76

There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #70

Strawman much? 99Forever Nov 2015 #74

The things I have seen here that a very small groups believe to be true. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #79

They know Bernie's campaign is in trouble, and this is an effort to maximize their support by NurseJackie Nov 2015 #82

I completely agree with your overall assessment. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #83

Honestly, I hadn't noticed. But � NurseJackie Nov 2015 #85

"Or to poke-prod-needle and antagonize Bernie supporters." NCTraveler Nov 2015 #87

Saying it doesnt make it false either...... bowens43 Nov 2015 #84

Or they could have Stockholm Syndrome. randome Nov 2015 #86

Free Bravenak and all African Americans from the horrible Stockholm Syndrome! Cha Nov 2015 #100

Doesn't make it false either.... daleanime Nov 2015 #88