2016 Postmortem

senz

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58. It's not that difficult, brooklynite

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:42 AM

Nov 2015

Look up the definitions of democracy, oligarchy and oligarchy's little buddy, plutocracy. Start with dictionary definitions and then go deeper in your research until you feel that you have a fair sense of what the terms mean. Then take some time out of your busy day to think about how these terms would apply to a candidate's record, behavior, decisions, transactions, connections, associations, etc. Talk with others about it if that helps. Since these are politicians, their record and behavior should be given more weight than their words.

Then, if you're honest with yourself, it should become reasonably clear which candidates are essentially democratic and which are oligarchic/plutocratic in their outlook and political/financial behaviors.

Not that hard to do.

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Sanders is a small (d) Democrat. Hillary is not. [View all] AgingAmerican Nov 2015 OP

hell yes! pinebox Nov 2015 #1

Is there any difference on gun violence? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #3

minimum wage, health care, social security pinebox Nov 2015 #7

He voted against the Brady Bill more than once, he is a NRA congressional member. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #9

what else pinebox Nov 2015 #10

That one is enough for me, more Americans killed by gun violence than Americans was killed in Iraq Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #12

Where does Hillary disagree with him on guns? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #16

He continues to claim he is from a rural state, a very poor excuse. He does not take responsibility Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #23

Why won't you answer the question? Where does Hillary disagree with him on guns? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #27

Hillary isn't asking the nation to hand in their guns. artislife Nov 2015 #56

If she wins the nomination it will stop being an issue for her. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #57

Yup artislife Nov 2015 #60

this pinebox Nov 2015 #28

I don't understand what your point is, pinebox. senz Nov 2015 #61

so just American lives pinebox Nov 2015 #21

Hey, I am a Democrat, I don't jump off in the libertarian line I see of others. BTW, calling some Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #26

you repeated a libertarian talking point pinebox Nov 2015 #36

But Bernie is... waldo.c Nov 2015 #42

You sound desperate when you post this nonsense AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #13

Gun violence is occurrng in 2015. This is very update. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #14

On which gun issue do you disagree with him in 2015? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #18

Laws should be passed in Congress and would be if not for those who are NRA congressional members. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #22

What is an "NRA congressional member" and how is Bernie one? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #24

Yep and he backed every single measure in Obama's gun control package AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #65

"NRA congressional member" - they're just making shit up as they go along. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #66

He voted down the federal law. His reason Karma13612 Nov 2015 #35

Lol! That was last week's talking point. Didn't go anywhere. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #49

I am starting to think that David Brock himself is lurking on these forums. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #62

Not true. The NRA gave him a D- grade. That's a fact. senz Nov 2015 #51

It depends zalinda Nov 2015 #52

Hillary has been a Democrat for a very long time, a small (d) Democrat does not vote with the NRA, Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #2

Sanders is a small d Democrat AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #5

Sanders votes with the RW on gun issues, he is rewarding the NRA for the $18,000 donaton to defeat Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #8

No he does not AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #11

He should have a F rating from the NRA, he voted to give immunity to gun manufactures, yes he is a Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #19

You should actually read the Karma13612 Nov 2015 #30

I have read his story, the NRA was pushing the bill. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #31

Does Hillary disagree with him? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #74

This is the only group with this immunity, why are they special. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #75

Lol, okay that is funny. "He is rewarding the NRA for the $18,000 donation . . ." Vattel Nov 2015 #15

Only those who deny facts does not believe this. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #20

What wall st banker???? Karma13612 Nov 2015 #33

There might be more facts which is not widely known about Sanders, closer to the first primary the Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #34

FUD. Sanders has been in politics a long time. Qutzupalotl Nov 2015 #80

Time will tell, it is not to destroy Sanders but to show where there is a difference of opinion and Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #81

Sanders is going to be the nominee because Hillary cannot win the GE. You can't win a GE with only sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #50

A candidate can not win with 30% of tbe vote, with 50% of the vote. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #54

Anybody can join a damn party. It doesn't tell you who they are. senz Nov 2015 #53

I have never said I speak for Ann Richards but she knew what a Democrat stands for. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #55

I honestly do not consider Hillary a true Democrat senz Nov 2015 #64

Then we don't agree, if you can't accept Clinton as a hard core liberal then Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #68

A bought-and-sold "Democrat" cannot be a "hard core liberal." senz Nov 2015 #71

A self identified socialist can not be a democrat. On the oligarchy, this country is not ruled by Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #78

"All the shouting in the world"... ljm2002 Nov 2015 #70

It must be exciting to be able to decide who's a "real" democrat... brooklynite Nov 2015 #4

There is no need to 'decide' AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #6

It's not that difficult, brooklynite senz Nov 2015 #58

And you know what a hallmark of Democracy is? brooklynite Nov 2015 #69

Please don't make me lose respect for you. senz Nov 2015 #72

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #17

Geez stop the bull shit already upaloopa Nov 2015 #25

Try again. Karma13612 Nov 2015 #29

He said small d democrat. upaloopa Nov 2015 #32

She was president of the young republicans at Wellesley JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #63

Sadly the bull shit attacks varies people make against Hillary and Bernie are not going to stop cstanleytech Nov 2015 #43

Correct. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #37

Show me ANY place VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #38

Democrats are supposedly for the people Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #39

Accurate definition Thespian2 Nov 2015 #40

We are going to see the breakup of the Democratic Party. jalan48 Nov 2015 #41

but we're not North Korea: therefore we're a perfect representative democracy! MisterP Nov 2015 #44

Sanders is no Democrat at all. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #45

Reread the OP, Moh. Pay attention. senz Nov 2015 #59

You're still at this? Renew Deal Nov 2015 #46

No twisting necessary AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #67

Absolutely. She is nowhere near the democrat that Bernie is. Not even close. senz Nov 2015 #47

Bottom line...she's Third Way. SoapBox Nov 2015 #48

I adore your sig line images. senz Nov 2015 #73

She is a Socialist Democrat...by anybody's definition. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #76

K/R UglyGreed Nov 2015 #77

K&R Small d democrat here. jwirr Nov 2015 #79