2016 Postmortem

rhett o rick

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112. Nominating HRC is letting the Republicons win. Millions see that she and the REpublicons

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:59 PM

Nov 2015

agree on most issues. The enthusiasm for Sen Sanders is for a chance to break away from the 1% control of our government.

I am not sure that HRC has indicated that she is concerned about poverty but if she has, you can bet she won't ask her friends and sponsors of the 1% to help. She will push the cost on the already over burdened 99%.

HRC agrees with the Republicons on:

Continual war in the middle east

the Patriot Act and Domestic Spying

The college kids need to get a job to pay off their debts.

The TPP will enrichen the corporations at the expense of the 99%.

Fracking for oil profits takes precedence over clean drinking water for the 99%.

Not regulating her bankster friends.

Cutting (enhancing) SS and Medicare.

Subsidizing the private prison industry.

Toughening the war on drugs and laws against using weed.

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Forget about polls. A far better indication of how well Bernie's doing [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 OP

If that is an indicator of how well someone is doing, boston bean Nov 2015 #1

Here's the difference vt_native Nov 2015 #3

yeah.. LOL boston bean Nov 2015 #5

I rarely agree with you, BB, but you're right on this one. thesquanderer Nov 2015 #19

You can laugh but it's true pinebox Nov 2015 #69

yeah, right that's why I laughed. LOL boston bean Nov 2015 #76

It's amazing how you Hillary supporters pinebox Nov 2015 #83

uh huh. LOL boston bean Nov 2015 #86

Uh huh pinebox Nov 2015 #91

uh huh. LOL boston bean Nov 2015 #92

Care to discuss issues pinebox Nov 2015 #95

"uh huh" what? Populist_Prole Nov 2015 #113

She voted for the Iraq War. Are you going to laugh that off too? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #154

I don't think that's all any Hillary supporter has. I think they're just tired... Moonwalk Nov 2015 #135

The chart in post #83 compares Hillary's and Bernie's records. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #163

Hillary has one thing Bernie does not have. zeemike Nov 2015 #99

Your post re Hillary and Bernie people Nov 2015 #131

Well it was not intended to be disrespectful to women zeemike Nov 2015 #136

I'm a single-issue voter. OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #146

I don't think hellraiser69 Nov 2015 #169

Thanks for the post, pinebox. Lays it all out there. kath Nov 2015 #104

You're welcome and thanks! pinebox Nov 2015 #105

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+ a bazillion! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #141

Beautiful, pinebox. Thanks! (nt) senz Nov 2015 #162

Prove it then. Dawgs Nov 2015 #96

There's always a catch when it comes to that WOMAN. bravenak Nov 2015 #118

'Cos Third-Way Progressive BernieBros hate women MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #159

Please read Post # 83, and then tell me whether Hillary's stances are represented correctly in JDPriestly Nov 2015 #164

bingo n/t retrowire Nov 2015 #16

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #90

Wow! bvf Nov 2015 #119

"Hillary has shot out of the stratosphere" BeanMusical Nov 2015 #148

You beat me to it randys1 Nov 2015 #152

+1000~ sheshe2 Nov 2015 #158

And look at the crowds... Yurovsky Nov 2015 #2

That's why Obama faced Ron Paul in '08? Amimnoch Nov 2015 #8

Links showing Bernie-sized crowds for Paul? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #15

Okay doakee Amimnoch Nov 2015 #17

Numbers please? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #21

Your search engine broke? Amimnoch Nov 2015 #36

that's one third of Bernie's largest crowds.nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Amimnoch Nov 2015 #38

link to the 33k+ rally? Amimnoch Nov 2015 #40

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likn? Amimnoch Nov 2015 #64

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Funny, your great link shows 11K. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #68

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16,161 ColesCountyDem Nov 2015 #75

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Congrats, you caught me. I didn't read the whole thing. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #85

Funny, 11k MORE than the building holds pinebox Nov 2015 #73

He wasn't that far off cannabis_flower Nov 2015 #80

The 33, 000 crowd was in my home state in the city of Boston. Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #128

How about 28,000 in Portland, Oregon for Bernie. Washington Post. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #167

Well, this is awkward...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #25

Yup those huge rallies for President Paul really were the catalyst workinclasszero Nov 2015 #45

Don't forget his big internet polls. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #46

Big rallies and internet polls workinclasszero Nov 2015 #51

You're right. I even recognize the faces in the Bernie crowd misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #71

Well, he was an agent for change. OilemFirchen Nov 2015 #61

Change I can't believe in workinclasszero Nov 2015 #62

He also did extremely well in select internet based polls... Amimnoch Nov 2015 #18

Polled better than 30% on the average of all polls? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #23

link please? Amimnoch Nov 2015 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Nov 2015 #120

And he eventually won the nomination, beating Clinton n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #123

You know the problem with cliche statements? They get stale... brooklynite Nov 2015 #11

Don't Mistake Passion for Votes CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #101

you are making sense treestar Nov 2015 #103

If crowds were an indicator Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2015 #160

If Bernie is doing so well, why are Bernie fans so reluctant to simply agree to vote for DanTex Nov 2015 #4

Non sequitur and a straw man in one post. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #6

Dodge. DanTex Nov 2015 #7

I don't think most BS supporters "really think Bernie is winning this thing." thesquanderer Nov 2015 #22

Actually, yes, people can look at the polls and not think he's an underdog. They do it all the time. DanTex Nov 2015 #28

Okay, I'll entertain your straw man... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #107

This who vote pledge thing zalinda Nov 2015 #130

Loved that movie! Amimnoch Nov 2015 #9

ohhhhhhhh...snarky... BrainDrain Nov 2015 #12

How about let's all vote for the Democratic nominee in the general. DanTex Nov 2015 #20

No problem. I just wish we could give our candidates Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #26

You don't think they are getting a fair airing? You think that certain arguments should be off DanTex Nov 2015 #32

They want far, but when it's to their advantage. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #43

how about we have a fair process restorefreedom Nov 2015 #42

Hillary sold out to Wall Street banks that wrecked our ecomomy, violated US laws repeatedly think Nov 2015 #27

Blah blah blah. DanTex Nov 2015 #31

blah blah blah. That's your reply? sad but not surprising.... think Nov 2015 #33

I get it, you don't like Hillary. DanTex Nov 2015 #60

I don't like big banks screwing people and becoming bigger in the process. And I don't trust Hillary think Nov 2015 #89

That's one good reason to vote for Democrats. DanTex Nov 2015 #94

I dont, but, Ill hold my nose and vote for her if she's the nominee litlbilly Nov 2015 #157

Blah Blah Blah bahrbearian Nov 2015 #58

Mic drop. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #67

Easy Dan pinebox Nov 2015 #77

"She's not well liked by anybody" JTFrog Nov 2015 #109

I'm not.. cannabis_flower Nov 2015 #87

Some people are tired of being manipulated by the Oligarchy into choosing the lesser of evils. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #108

Solving problems, huh. Yeah, because that's exactly what letting the GOP win will accomplish. DanTex Nov 2015 #110

Nominating HRC is letting the Republicons win. Millions see that she and the REpublicons rhett o rick Nov 2015 #112

What I think is dumb is that you keep asking the same question over and over and over. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #155

you forgot SSS... magical thyme Nov 2015 #10

Bumper Stickers. 5 to 1 or better. tecelote Nov 2015 #13

Not just smearing Sanders, but adopting his policy positions at the same time. Scuba Nov 2015 #14

Just pretending to adopt hellraiser69 Nov 2015 #52

You are, of course, correct. Her rhetoric now will not match her policies if she's elected. Scuba Nov 2015 #54

also his supporters--but suddenly the stories of people terrorized by mobs of Berniebros MisterP Nov 2015 #117

By that metric, Hillary will win 50 states...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #24

With your vote Sid she can win Canada too! bahrbearian Nov 2015 #59

LOL! Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #88

Show some sympathy for Sid, he just lost big time in the Canadian election Dragonfli Nov 2015 #143

I can only reply with bahrbearian Nov 2015 #144

He he ........ polly7 Nov 2015 #151

Please provide quote where anyone claims.. DCBob Nov 2015 #29

Bernisata are very sensitive about perceived criticism of Bernie. Nitram Nov 2015 #34

Yes indeed. DCBob Nov 2015 #35

Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut workinclasszero Nov 2015 #47

That doesnt mean he loves guns. DCBob Nov 2015 #49

OK workinclasszero Nov 2015 #53

Agreed. DCBob Nov 2015 #56

But but Hillary supporters deny ever using that term, Gun Nut senz Nov 2015 #161

Manny is playing the War on Christmas, card. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #70

If the measure of a candidate's strength is "the volume of insane poo thrown at him by "friendlies" Nitram Nov 2015 #30

I haven't noticed any threads about Lincoln Chafee and TBF Nov 2015 #39

If I was a Bernie supporter, I'd forget about the polls too workinclasszero Nov 2015 #44

What Sanders' supporters bemoan as "the volume of insane poo..." Orrex Nov 2015 #48

Exactly! peacebird Nov 2015 #50

You are validated by the swam attacking this thread! Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #55

It is a lot easier to attack your opponent when they provide you with double the Snotcicles Nov 2015 #84

I don't understand Hillary supporters in their extreme... c-ville rook Nov 2015 #57

Wow, I said that same thing about bernie last week!!! misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #82

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Wasn't that the same argument made against Obama with foreign policy? pinebox Nov 2015 #106

While, I would not call 28 years in Congress no experience. c-ville rook Nov 2015 #133

There you are again! pacalo Nov 2015 #147

Looking forward to the MSM's attempt to explain fiveofeleven Nov 2015 #66

Excellent point. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #74

A candidates strenght is only measured randr Nov 2015 #79

And you have the gall to talk about a 'straw man' elsewhere in this thread? randome Nov 2015 #81

Dome of the same people throw baseless crap about other things Gore1FL Nov 2015 #93

it also serves as a good measure of their intellectual heft and integrity stupidicus Nov 2015 #97

Either that or the incredible paranoia of the Clinton team and supporters karynnj Nov 2015 #98

I don't think it's paranoia at all, just a cold calculated tactic Catherina Nov 2015 #114

As is the converse, Manny. MineralMan Nov 2015 #102

Thank you Manny. SoapBox Nov 2015 #111

Steady Steady Sanders Supporters Remember Gandhi? MasonDreams Nov 2015 #115

That metric works better in Hillary's favor, actually Tarc Nov 2015 #116

My own sister, a Hillary fan, told me to "fucking shut up" when I listed reasons why I support Still In Wisconsin Nov 2015 #121

they really do seem to expect that to win both the primary and the general MisterP Nov 2015 #138

I'd just smile and ask her when she became so pro-war and pro-Wall Street. reformist2 Nov 2015 #153

K&R azmom Nov 2015 #124

You forgot that Bernie's a misogynist Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #125

You know you're doing well when they attack you. You're losing when you're valerief Nov 2015 #126

Because of open primaries HassleCat Nov 2015 #127

It's gonna get a Lot Worse! Gotta fredamae Nov 2015 #129

wasnt "forget the polls" The rally cry for the romney campaign and why karl rove was so sure saturnsring Nov 2015 #132

too bad he's unelectable saturnsring Nov 2015 #134

explain how pinebox Nov 2015 #165

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #137

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #139

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #140

I heard Bernie likes hugging babies too Dem2 Nov 2015 #142

Has Hillary been humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #145

you spend WAY too much time at the right wing swamp sites Capn Sunshine Nov 2015 #149

Your reply makes no sense humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #156

It may or may not be an investigation of her, but it's not an investigation "on her behalf." merrily Nov 2015 #166

I'm ashamed of you for stating the obvious. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #150

k&r smiley Nov 2015 #168

dlc/"centrist"/"new dem"/3rd way/neoliberal "Democrats" LWolf Nov 2015 #170