2016 Postmortem

sabrina 1

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118. That's exactly how I feel about those who say they support women actually meaning it.

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:12 PM

Nov 2015

I am working to end the abuses of women by our Foreign Policies all over the world. For some reason anytime I've mentioned this, certain people get very upset.

But you cannot support War for Profit AND claim to support women and minorities, it's simply not possible.

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This Presidential primary, I will vote for a woman. [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 OP

Don't forget Afghanistan. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #1

Was Afghanistan linked to the 9/11 attacks? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #2

Oblivious Android3.14 Nov 2015 #38

Terrorists lived in Florida. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #131

Planners and organizers lived in Afghanistan with the protection and blessing of the government. n/t Chan790 Nov 2015 #138

They did? forest444 Nov 2015 #158

The bin Laden family allowed to fly home on 9/11, truth or myth? saidsimplesimon Nov 2015 #228

+1 n/t sammythecat Nov 2015 #165

hey, but she said it was a mistake... Javaman Nov 2015 #216

Did Saddam attack us? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #79

Did Afghanistan attack us? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #130

bin Laden did and we went into Afghanistan after him. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #132

Are you familiar with HR Res 64? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #134

Are you familiar with Hillary's claims about Saddam and Al Qaeda? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #135

I'm sure that HRH had access to a lot more... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #225

Are you familiar with Bernie's opposition to the war? Too bad Hillary didn't listen to him: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #136

Kind of ends the debate right there, Bernie was the only adult in the room. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #148

Yep, but that won't stop her from making the same claim next time this is brought up. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #149

It does get tiring, but never dissuading. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #151

Indeed. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #152

And I appreciate your tenacity Fairgo Nov 2015 #199

I wish it were merely ignorant. senz Nov 2015 #201

good point Fairgo Nov 2015 #202

This message was self-deleted by its author Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #233

Thanks. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #204

He wasn't the only one in the House who voted against it. geardaddy Nov 2015 #219

As between him and every other Democrat in Congress who has run for President, yes. merrily Nov 2015 #238

You're going to need to sit on a pillow after that ass kicking. Scuba Nov 2015 #150

Did Iraq attack us? Did Hillary vote for the Iraq War, and the Afghan War and surge? merrily Nov 2015 #239

Sen Sanders voted to support a Democratic President while your HRC voted to support rhett o rick Nov 2015 #153

Bernie appropriated funding for Iraq about 8 times cosmicone Nov 2015 #3

What would have happened if those bills had not passed? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #5

That is not the point .. a "principled" congressman would have voted against cosmicone Nov 2015 #7

He did and lobbied others to do the same. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #12

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #15

Wow... HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #18

Really. bvf Nov 2015 #76

Yeah, that's sick. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #98

So Bernie should have voted to cut off funding for our troops in the middle of a war? think Nov 2015 #32

so... laughing is a response? I guess you don't really have one. secondwind Nov 2015 #39

Its a change from the authoritarian cons on this board's usual laughing off uncomfortable facts LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #242

Not funny. I remember local drives to raise private funds to our deployed soldiers body for armor. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #53

+1 BeanMusical Nov 2015 #99

We're laughing about the war now? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #123

And I thought this place could'nt get any lower .... TheFarS1de Nov 2015 #212

your laughter at the troops on Veteran's Day week is duly FUCKING noted. n/t yodermon Nov 2015 #218

And he didn't, did he? Vets love Bernie. Duval Nov 2015 #108

You didn't answer his question. polly7 Nov 2015 #17

He could have said, "I'll not vote for a continued war but I'll vote for an orderly withdrawal." n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #20

Riiiiight. polly7 Nov 2015 #22

we all know what Hillary did. voted for it, funded it. roguevalley Nov 2015 #35

You're not making any sense. 840high Nov 2015 #75

Just like Hillary? SandersDem Nov 2015 #127

That's a disengenuous answer MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #19

naw .. not even close ... it would have been funded with other votes cosmicone Nov 2015 #25

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #28

He always supports the troops, abandoning them after we send them to war is unthinkable. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #51

+1 BeanMusical Nov 2015 #101

I want you to take this position to the American people. I would love to see how much success you Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #63

So Hillary voted for the war and also voted to fund the war over and over. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #189

he did vote against the war but lost azurnoir Nov 2015 #33

As a principled congressman Bernie voted to fund the troops. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #43

Not only did he vote against it he implored others to do the same: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #48

Ah! Thanks! eom Duval Nov 2015 #102

You're welcome! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #105

So glad you did! Duval Nov 2015 #112

Now it's my turn to thank you! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #113

So Hillary is either unprincipled AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #57

This is about Bernie ... attempt to twist noted. n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #116

Just holding you to your own standard AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #119

Or both? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #210

Obama says he would have voted against the war and yet he voted for funding. Do you think that Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #64

Is President Obama an unprincipled politician? Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #66

A "principled" congressman Aerows Nov 2015 #89

Trying to "prove" he is unprincipled that way is bs. Shame on you. merrily Nov 2015 #146

Not if HE didn't vote to put them in harm's way cosmicone Nov 2015 #155

So you're okay with not sending the troops the gear they need? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #159

I already responded to these non-points. Repeating them doesn't make them more valid. merrily Nov 2015 #222

Only a principled deficient post would make such a claim. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #207

Right, defund our troops who are already in the field. Great Idea. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #9

Or only agree to fund a complete retreat n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #14

That was never on the table. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #21

He could have put it on the table cosmicone Nov 2015 #26

Well, you can't argue with stupid. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #30

+1 chknltl Nov 2015 #62

You can't. I agree with this post. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #65

Why? I thought Bernie was the "amendment king" cosmicone Nov 2015 #120

Good point, it's useless to even try. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #122

Someone alerted on this post earlier today but the jury voted to leave it senz Nov 2015 #194

LOL! Juror #5! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #195

Yeah, I liked that one, too. senz Nov 2015 #197

You could be right, we know for a fact that they alert stalk us. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #198

I, like senz, also appreciate all the "heavy lifting" you do here ybbor Nov 2015 #211

Why thank you! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #243

Thank you. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #220

Cosmic Cone, I have a question for you. Bonobo Nov 2015 #137

Hillary and Bernie are just POLITICIANS cosmicone Nov 2015 #140

Let me get this straight. Bonobo Nov 2015 #143

There is no variation and degree cosmicone Nov 2015 #156

"Bernie has not ever voted in a way that could definitely cost him his job." beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #160

No. In Vermont it was a safe vote. cosmicone Nov 2015 #166

No, it wasn't. I'm from Vermont, there was a backlash. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #169

If I had failed, you wouldn't have been inexorably drawn cosmicone Nov 2015 #172

Bzzzzzt! Another fail, you can't prove your claim so you're leaving. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #175

LOL. The FIRST category in the world in which there is zero variation. Bonobo Nov 2015 #163

Bernie has voted and acted and spoken in ways that risk his election and re-election lots of times. merrily Nov 2015 #192

isn't macho a sexist term? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #209

Is this really all you guys have? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #60

There is also socialist, bugeyes, sexist, racist, and gun-nut. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #67

I've seen some people on DU Aerows Nov 2015 #94

He voted to equip them properly, NOT to send them there in the first place. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #16

Way to support our military men and women who died in the Iraq war. Autumn Nov 2015 #41

Honduras, Libya, Syria, Ukraine ish of the hammer Nov 2015 #78

defunding troops already committed is reprehensible restorefreedom Nov 2015 #96

Seriously? Martin Eden Nov 2015 #110

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #114

Not Amirite, Omarosa. Am I right? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #208

Courage? tazkcmo Nov 2015 #214

I'll be voting for my grandmother HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #4

Lots more women died in Iraq. Lots and lots more. nt valerief Nov 2015 #6

Hundreds of thousands, most likely. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #11

Hillary never speaks about all the innocent people killed in Iraq, that's for sure. reformist2 Nov 2015 #124

They still are Scootaloo Nov 2015 #23

And Libya and Yemen and Syria and Pakistan... riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #29

'More to invest' - more to plunder, imo. Never mind the hell-hole it is now for millions. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #31

Hillary, never mind Libya zalinda Nov 2015 #106

K&R berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #8

Every day in America 22 Iraq & Afghan veterans die pinebox Nov 2015 #10

These Ladies also. I'll be voting with them in mind. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #13

Tammy Duckworth endorsed Hillary Clinton. boston bean Nov 2015 #46

I'll stick with my post. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #55

Some saw through the lies... Hepburn Nov 2015 #58

Nod in agreement. nt artislife Nov 2015 #90

Like your sig line! dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #203

I will vote, on feminist grounds, Catherina Nov 2015 #24

Which one? Buzz cook Nov 2015 #27

Any of 'em MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #34

!! Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #56

You will vote for them because they cannot vote. artislife Nov 2015 #91

So you don't Buzz cook Nov 2015 #205

To quote "Full Metal Jacket", OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #213

+1 stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #45

I bet there is a good chance their families don't support Hillary. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #52

Does not the life of a conservative anti-abortion zealot who died in a war of choice Autumn Nov 2015 #61

Yes it matters Buzz cook Nov 2015 #206

Thank you for the reminder. sarge43 Nov 2015 #36

Wall Street likes wars. They are big time money makers. jalan48 Nov 2015 #37

for several select and well-connected businesses--of course once the bills come due MisterP Nov 2015 #84

She recently delivered the Mexican nationalized oil industry to the 1% and foreign energy DhhD Nov 2015 #115

All victims of our recent international war crime. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #40

No more War Hawks. SoapBox Nov 2015 #42

Dead americans for flam bate wow it's so stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #44

Bait. If you are gonna sling, sling well. nt artislife Nov 2015 #92

Flam? BeanMusical Nov 2015 #104

K&R for a great OP! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #47

And I, too, shall vote for a woman, and for many women Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #49

Your sudden concern for my fallen brothers and sisters is touching. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #50

You know, just because you've never heard a thing before today demwing Nov 2015 #59

Topics about veterans issues here sink like a damn stone. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #70

Your ignorance of my previous concern is unfortunate. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #69

Not nearly enough. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #77

Here's the thing Aerows Nov 2015 #97

I'm sorry, you must be replying to the wrong post. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #144

You have a lovely night. n/t Aerows Nov 2015 #145

Sanders has answered veterans calls for action with real actions riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #72

I've seen the section on Sanders' website. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #81

Has Bernie ignored their plight? I notice several references in the end notes to the Autumn Nov 2015 #74

Bernie Sanders is a HERO to veterans. senz Nov 2015 #193

Who's lying? NuclearDem Nov 2015 #226

Since you know his work for vets & have read his extensive proposals senz Nov 2015 #234

I'm actually backing Governor O'Malley. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #236

I like O'Malley. senz Nov 2015 #237

A-FUCKING-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hepburn Nov 2015 #54

I would venture to say a lot of those women were perfectly fine with the vote treestar Nov 2015 #68

They did not deserve to die MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #71

Nobody in the military "deserves" to die, but they take the risk treestar Nov 2015 #73

No one signs up to be endangered in unnecessary wars of opportunity. n/t whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #80

Yeah they do treestar Nov 2015 #82

Only by the politician and the pundits. I was never called unpatriotic for not supporting the Iraq Autumn Nov 2015 #86

I'm a fairly recently retired Veteran... HDSam Nov 2015 #121

Welcome to DU! riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #185

Thank you HDSam Nov 2015 #224

We do not have to tell you:) True Blue American Nov 2015 #221

Thank you for the support HDSam Nov 2015 #227

Over the line. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #83

When you latch onto bullshit AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #87

Thank you Manny. I will vote for Bernie for my beloved Nephew Autumn Nov 2015 #85

So sorry artislife Nov 2015 #95

I am with you there, Manny. Aerows Nov 2015 #88

More flamebait leftofcool Nov 2015 #93

This One Will Vote For Bernie For All The Fallen Troops cantbeserious Nov 2015 #100

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #103

Great post and comment vlakitti Nov 2015 #107

What's a few dozen, or perhaps 100,000 deaths between friends in the name of Political Expediency? Indepatriot Nov 2015 #109

Yep. One Senator declared she was casting her Pro-War vote ' with conviction'... AzDar Nov 2015 #111

This post changed exactly ZERO minds on DU. n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #117

But it did use some dead soldiers as props. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #126

BENGHAZzzzzzzzz.... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #133

That's exactly how I feel about those who say they support women actually meaning it. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #118

Iraq wasn't pro-woman; Honduras wasn't pro-woman; Libya wasn't pro-woman MisterP Nov 2015 #128

I'm voting for the 1000 plus women who die every year at home from intimate partner violence. McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #125

I'm voting for the candidate who has been trying to lift women out of poverty for decades. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #129

You mean Vermont no longer has poor women cosmicone Nov 2015 #141

I'll take logical fallacies for $500, Alex! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #142

Logical fallacy of going from poor women to pro-choice? cosmicone Nov 2015 #154

Nope your strawman argument and loaded question. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #157

Your original claim was Bernie has fought for poor women for decades. cosmicone Nov 2015 #161

Now there's some twisted logic. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #162

Effective legislators have RESULTS cosmicone Nov 2015 #164

How does that negate the fact that he fought for us for decades? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #167

What is the point of electing an ineffective leader? cosmicone Nov 2015 #170

What's the point of electing one who already proved she can't be trusted to fight? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #173

We are talking about Bernie now cosmicone Nov 2015 #177

I judge her based on her complete record and she is not trustworthy. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #180

Speaking of poor women, minorities and single mothers in particular, how do you feel about sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #246

She did not hold any elective office then. cosmicone Nov 2015 #249

Wow tblue Nov 2015 #139

The sophistry and speciousness of the replies on this thread are shameful and disgraceful. merrily Nov 2015 #147

But of course you don't see a problem cosmicone Nov 2015 #168

You say this after laughing about them upthread? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #171

Let's not be disingenuous cosmicone Nov 2015 #174

Sure you were. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #176

Just the facts ma'am. Just the facts. cosmicone Nov 2015 #178

Fact: Hillary voted for the Iraq war. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #181

You laughed at Herb Chestnut's true post. merrily Nov 2015 #191

This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about on the other thread. merrily Nov 2015 #182

They're trying to deflect and derail, but they failed. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #183

Succeed at what? merrily Nov 2015 #184

Spinning Bernie's record. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #186

Yes, but again, the truth is irrelevant, as is analysis and logic. merrily Nov 2015 #187

But it does show just how far they'll go to smear Bernie. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #188

How far they'll go has been evident for months. If we didn't post at all, we would not be stooping merrily Nov 2015 #190

I'm split between the two approaches. senz Nov 2015 #232

You are starting several steps ahead of me. merrily Nov 2015 #235

Sorry, I missed this. senz Nov 2015 #244

No, no, no, my dear senz. I meant I don't want to discourage you or anyone else. merrily Nov 2015 #245

lol, okay. senz Nov 2015 #247

Sorry. I was probably not very focused when I typed the other reply. merrily Nov 2015 #248

Three things you need to know about his Afghanistan vote senz Nov 2015 #200

Thank you, senz. Full text: merrily Nov 2015 #217

Your reply to my post 147 is a good example of what my post 147 says. Not the worst example on the merrily Nov 2015 #179

At least one of the comments on this thread was alerted. senz Nov 2015 #196

Great observation senz! merrily Nov 2015 #223

Best post ever, Manny. I'm a vet and I'm with you. marble falls Nov 2015 #215

Manny, thank you saidsimplesimon Nov 2015 #229

Sorry Manny katmille Nov 2015 #230

Gawd I love you. With every thread of yours another dozen go on my ignore list Catherina Nov 2015 #231

Man, I wish I could rec this 500 times! d_legendary1 Nov 2015 #240

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #241