2016 Postmortem

cosmicone

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120. Why? I thought Bernie was the "amendment king"

Reply to HerbChestnut (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:22 PM

Nov 2015

He could have easily offered an amendment -- the fact that he didn't means he was all for the war.

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This Presidential primary, I will vote for a woman. [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 OP

Don't forget Afghanistan. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #1

Was Afghanistan linked to the 9/11 attacks? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #2

Oblivious Android3.14 Nov 2015 #38

Terrorists lived in Florida. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #131

Planners and organizers lived in Afghanistan with the protection and blessing of the government. n/t Chan790 Nov 2015 #138

They did? forest444 Nov 2015 #158

The bin Laden family allowed to fly home on 9/11, truth or myth? saidsimplesimon Nov 2015 #228

+1 n/t sammythecat Nov 2015 #165

hey, but she said it was a mistake... Javaman Nov 2015 #216

Did Saddam attack us? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #79

Did Afghanistan attack us? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #130

bin Laden did and we went into Afghanistan after him. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #132

Are you familiar with HR Res 64? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #134

Are you familiar with Hillary's claims about Saddam and Al Qaeda? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #135

I'm sure that HRH had access to a lot more... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #225

Are you familiar with Bernie's opposition to the war? Too bad Hillary didn't listen to him: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #136

Kind of ends the debate right there, Bernie was the only adult in the room. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #148

Yep, but that won't stop her from making the same claim next time this is brought up. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #149

It does get tiring, but never dissuading. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #151

Indeed. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #152

And I appreciate your tenacity Fairgo Nov 2015 #199

I wish it were merely ignorant. senz Nov 2015 #201

good point Fairgo Nov 2015 #202

This message was self-deleted by its author Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #233

Thanks. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #204

He wasn't the only one in the House who voted against it. geardaddy Nov 2015 #219

As between him and every other Democrat in Congress who has run for President, yes. merrily Nov 2015 #238

You're going to need to sit on a pillow after that ass kicking. Scuba Nov 2015 #150

Did Iraq attack us? Did Hillary vote for the Iraq War, and the Afghan War and surge? merrily Nov 2015 #239

Sen Sanders voted to support a Democratic President while your HRC voted to support rhett o rick Nov 2015 #153

Bernie appropriated funding for Iraq about 8 times cosmicone Nov 2015 #3

What would have happened if those bills had not passed? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #5

That is not the point .. a "principled" congressman would have voted against cosmicone Nov 2015 #7

He did and lobbied others to do the same. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #12

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #15

Wow... HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #18

Really. bvf Nov 2015 #76

Yeah, that's sick. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #98

So Bernie should have voted to cut off funding for our troops in the middle of a war? think Nov 2015 #32

so... laughing is a response? I guess you don't really have one. secondwind Nov 2015 #39

Its a change from the authoritarian cons on this board's usual laughing off uncomfortable facts LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #242

Not funny. I remember local drives to raise private funds to our deployed soldiers body for armor. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #53

+1 BeanMusical Nov 2015 #99

We're laughing about the war now? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #123

And I thought this place could'nt get any lower .... TheFarS1de Nov 2015 #212

your laughter at the troops on Veteran's Day week is duly FUCKING noted. n/t yodermon Nov 2015 #218

And he didn't, did he? Vets love Bernie. Duval Nov 2015 #108

You didn't answer his question. polly7 Nov 2015 #17

He could have said, "I'll not vote for a continued war but I'll vote for an orderly withdrawal." n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #20

Riiiiight. polly7 Nov 2015 #22

we all know what Hillary did. voted for it, funded it. roguevalley Nov 2015 #35

You're not making any sense. 840high Nov 2015 #75

Just like Hillary? SandersDem Nov 2015 #127

That's a disengenuous answer MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #19

naw .. not even close ... it would have been funded with other votes cosmicone Nov 2015 #25

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #28

He always supports the troops, abandoning them after we send them to war is unthinkable. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #51

+1 BeanMusical Nov 2015 #101

I want you to take this position to the American people. I would love to see how much success you Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #63

So Hillary voted for the war and also voted to fund the war over and over. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #189

he did vote against the war but lost azurnoir Nov 2015 #33

As a principled congressman Bernie voted to fund the troops. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #43

Not only did he vote against it he implored others to do the same: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #48

Ah! Thanks! eom Duval Nov 2015 #102

You're welcome! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #105

So glad you did! Duval Nov 2015 #112

Now it's my turn to thank you! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #113

So Hillary is either unprincipled AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #57

This is about Bernie ... attempt to twist noted. n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #116

Just holding you to your own standard AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #119

Or both? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #210

Obama says he would have voted against the war and yet he voted for funding. Do you think that Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #64

Is President Obama an unprincipled politician? Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #66

A "principled" congressman Aerows Nov 2015 #89

Trying to "prove" he is unprincipled that way is bs. Shame on you. merrily Nov 2015 #146

Not if HE didn't vote to put them in harm's way cosmicone Nov 2015 #155

So you're okay with not sending the troops the gear they need? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #159

I already responded to these non-points. Repeating them doesn't make them more valid. merrily Nov 2015 #222

Only a principled deficient post would make such a claim. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #207

Right, defund our troops who are already in the field. Great Idea. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #9

Or only agree to fund a complete retreat n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #14

That was never on the table. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #21

He could have put it on the table cosmicone Nov 2015 #26

Well, you can't argue with stupid. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #30

+1 chknltl Nov 2015 #62

You can't. I agree with this post. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #65

Why? I thought Bernie was the "amendment king" cosmicone Nov 2015 #120

Good point, it's useless to even try. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #122

Someone alerted on this post earlier today but the jury voted to leave it senz Nov 2015 #194

LOL! Juror #5! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #195

Yeah, I liked that one, too. senz Nov 2015 #197

You could be right, we know for a fact that they alert stalk us. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #198

I, like senz, also appreciate all the "heavy lifting" you do here ybbor Nov 2015 #211

Why thank you! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #243

Thank you. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #220

Cosmic Cone, I have a question for you. Bonobo Nov 2015 #137

Hillary and Bernie are just POLITICIANS cosmicone Nov 2015 #140

Let me get this straight. Bonobo Nov 2015 #143

There is no variation and degree cosmicone Nov 2015 #156

"Bernie has not ever voted in a way that could definitely cost him his job." beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #160

No. In Vermont it was a safe vote. cosmicone Nov 2015 #166

No, it wasn't. I'm from Vermont, there was a backlash. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #169

If I had failed, you wouldn't have been inexorably drawn cosmicone Nov 2015 #172

Bzzzzzt! Another fail, you can't prove your claim so you're leaving. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #175

LOL. The FIRST category in the world in which there is zero variation. Bonobo Nov 2015 #163

Bernie has voted and acted and spoken in ways that risk his election and re-election lots of times. merrily Nov 2015 #192

isn't macho a sexist term? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #209

Is this really all you guys have? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #60

There is also socialist, bugeyes, sexist, racist, and gun-nut. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #67

I've seen some people on DU Aerows Nov 2015 #94

He voted to equip them properly, NOT to send them there in the first place. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #16

Way to support our military men and women who died in the Iraq war. Autumn Nov 2015 #41

Honduras, Libya, Syria, Ukraine ish of the hammer Nov 2015 #78

defunding troops already committed is reprehensible restorefreedom Nov 2015 #96

Seriously? Martin Eden Nov 2015 #110

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #114

Not Amirite, Omarosa. Am I right? nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #208

Courage? tazkcmo Nov 2015 #214

I'll be voting for my grandmother HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #4

Lots more women died in Iraq. Lots and lots more. nt valerief Nov 2015 #6

Hundreds of thousands, most likely. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #11

Hillary never speaks about all the innocent people killed in Iraq, that's for sure. reformist2 Nov 2015 #124

They still are Scootaloo Nov 2015 #23

And Libya and Yemen and Syria and Pakistan... riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #29

'More to invest' - more to plunder, imo. Never mind the hell-hole it is now for millions. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #31

Hillary, never mind Libya zalinda Nov 2015 #106

K&R berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #8

Every day in America 22 Iraq & Afghan veterans die pinebox Nov 2015 #10

These Ladies also. I'll be voting with them in mind. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #13

Tammy Duckworth endorsed Hillary Clinton. boston bean Nov 2015 #46

I'll stick with my post. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #55

Some saw through the lies... Hepburn Nov 2015 #58

Nod in agreement. nt artislife Nov 2015 #90

Like your sig line! dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #203

I will vote, on feminist grounds, Catherina Nov 2015 #24

Which one? Buzz cook Nov 2015 #27

Any of 'em MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #34

!! Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #56

You will vote for them because they cannot vote. artislife Nov 2015 #91

So you don't Buzz cook Nov 2015 #205

To quote "Full Metal Jacket", OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #213

+1 stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #45

I bet there is a good chance their families don't support Hillary. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #52

Does not the life of a conservative anti-abortion zealot who died in a war of choice Autumn Nov 2015 #61

Yes it matters Buzz cook Nov 2015 #206

Thank you for the reminder. sarge43 Nov 2015 #36

Wall Street likes wars. They are big time money makers. jalan48 Nov 2015 #37

for several select and well-connected businesses--of course once the bills come due MisterP Nov 2015 #84

She recently delivered the Mexican nationalized oil industry to the 1% and foreign energy DhhD Nov 2015 #115

All victims of our recent international war crime. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #40

No more War Hawks. SoapBox Nov 2015 #42

Dead americans for flam bate wow it's so stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #44

Bait. If you are gonna sling, sling well. nt artislife Nov 2015 #92

Flam? BeanMusical Nov 2015 #104

K&R for a great OP! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #47

And I, too, shall vote for a woman, and for many women Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #49

Your sudden concern for my fallen brothers and sisters is touching. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #50

You know, just because you've never heard a thing before today demwing Nov 2015 #59

Topics about veterans issues here sink like a damn stone. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #70

Your ignorance of my previous concern is unfortunate. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #69

Not nearly enough. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #77

Here's the thing Aerows Nov 2015 #97

I'm sorry, you must be replying to the wrong post. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #144

You have a lovely night. n/t Aerows Nov 2015 #145

Sanders has answered veterans calls for action with real actions riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #72

I've seen the section on Sanders' website. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #81

Has Bernie ignored their plight? I notice several references in the end notes to the Autumn Nov 2015 #74

Bernie Sanders is a HERO to veterans. senz Nov 2015 #193

Who's lying? NuclearDem Nov 2015 #226

Since you know his work for vets & have read his extensive proposals senz Nov 2015 #234

I'm actually backing Governor O'Malley. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #236

I like O'Malley. senz Nov 2015 #237

A-FUCKING-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hepburn Nov 2015 #54

I would venture to say a lot of those women were perfectly fine with the vote treestar Nov 2015 #68

They did not deserve to die MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #71

Nobody in the military "deserves" to die, but they take the risk treestar Nov 2015 #73

No one signs up to be endangered in unnecessary wars of opportunity. n/t whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #80

Yeah they do treestar Nov 2015 #82

Only by the politician and the pundits. I was never called unpatriotic for not supporting the Iraq Autumn Nov 2015 #86

I'm a fairly recently retired Veteran... HDSam Nov 2015 #121

Welcome to DU! riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #185

Thank you HDSam Nov 2015 #224

We do not have to tell you:) True Blue American Nov 2015 #221

Thank you for the support HDSam Nov 2015 #227

Over the line. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #83

When you latch onto bullshit AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #87

Thank you Manny. I will vote for Bernie for my beloved Nephew Autumn Nov 2015 #85

So sorry artislife Nov 2015 #95

I am with you there, Manny. Aerows Nov 2015 #88

More flamebait leftofcool Nov 2015 #93

This One Will Vote For Bernie For All The Fallen Troops cantbeserious Nov 2015 #100

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #103

Great post and comment vlakitti Nov 2015 #107

What's a few dozen, or perhaps 100,000 deaths between friends in the name of Political Expediency? Indepatriot Nov 2015 #109

Yep. One Senator declared she was casting her Pro-War vote ' with conviction'... AzDar Nov 2015 #111

This post changed exactly ZERO minds on DU. n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #117

But it did use some dead soldiers as props. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #126

BENGHAZzzzzzzzz.... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #133

That's exactly how I feel about those who say they support women actually meaning it. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #118

Iraq wasn't pro-woman; Honduras wasn't pro-woman; Libya wasn't pro-woman MisterP Nov 2015 #128

I'm voting for the 1000 plus women who die every year at home from intimate partner violence. McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #125

I'm voting for the candidate who has been trying to lift women out of poverty for decades. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #129

You mean Vermont no longer has poor women cosmicone Nov 2015 #141

I'll take logical fallacies for $500, Alex! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #142

Logical fallacy of going from poor women to pro-choice? cosmicone Nov 2015 #154

Nope your strawman argument and loaded question. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #157

Your original claim was Bernie has fought for poor women for decades. cosmicone Nov 2015 #161

Now there's some twisted logic. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #162

Effective legislators have RESULTS cosmicone Nov 2015 #164

How does that negate the fact that he fought for us for decades? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #167

What is the point of electing an ineffective leader? cosmicone Nov 2015 #170

What's the point of electing one who already proved she can't be trusted to fight? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #173

We are talking about Bernie now cosmicone Nov 2015 #177

I judge her based on her complete record and she is not trustworthy. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #180

Speaking of poor women, minorities and single mothers in particular, how do you feel about sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #246

She did not hold any elective office then. cosmicone Nov 2015 #249

Wow tblue Nov 2015 #139

The sophistry and speciousness of the replies on this thread are shameful and disgraceful. merrily Nov 2015 #147

But of course you don't see a problem cosmicone Nov 2015 #168

You say this after laughing about them upthread? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #171

Let's not be disingenuous cosmicone Nov 2015 #174

Sure you were. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #176

Just the facts ma'am. Just the facts. cosmicone Nov 2015 #178

Fact: Hillary voted for the Iraq war. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #181

You laughed at Herb Chestnut's true post. merrily Nov 2015 #191

This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about on the other thread. merrily Nov 2015 #182

They're trying to deflect and derail, but they failed. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #183

Succeed at what? merrily Nov 2015 #184

Spinning Bernie's record. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #186

Yes, but again, the truth is irrelevant, as is analysis and logic. merrily Nov 2015 #187

But it does show just how far they'll go to smear Bernie. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #188

How far they'll go has been evident for months. If we didn't post at all, we would not be stooping merrily Nov 2015 #190

I'm split between the two approaches. senz Nov 2015 #232

You are starting several steps ahead of me. merrily Nov 2015 #235

Sorry, I missed this. senz Nov 2015 #244

No, no, no, my dear senz. I meant I don't want to discourage you or anyone else. merrily Nov 2015 #245

lol, okay. senz Nov 2015 #247

Sorry. I was probably not very focused when I typed the other reply. merrily Nov 2015 #248

Three things you need to know about his Afghanistan vote senz Nov 2015 #200

Thank you, senz. Full text: merrily Nov 2015 #217

Your reply to my post 147 is a good example of what my post 147 says. Not the worst example on the merrily Nov 2015 #179

At least one of the comments on this thread was alerted. senz Nov 2015 #196

Great observation senz! merrily Nov 2015 #223

Best post ever, Manny. I'm a vet and I'm with you. marble falls Nov 2015 #215

Manny, thank you saidsimplesimon Nov 2015 #229

Sorry Manny katmille Nov 2015 #230

Gawd I love you. With every thread of yours another dozen go on my ignore list Catherina Nov 2015 #231

Man, I wish I could rec this 500 times! d_legendary1 Nov 2015 #240

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #241