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2016 Postmortem

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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:50 PM Nov 2015

ISIS was a result of the Iraq war, I think that is agreed to. [View all]

Yes Hillary voted for the IWR. I, like most of us, was against the Iraq war. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I was against the Afghanistan war. I think we should have gone after the terrorists as a police action.
I now think we should go after ISIS as a police action with a world coalition involved.

The problem as I see it is that the western world does not take into account that there are ethic factions who have been fighting each other forever. And we need to see that that fundamentalist religions are a threat to the world no matter what the religion.

Calling for peace and calling for war in the terms that we have been using ever since WWII is not the answer in my mind and is not a valid argument here.


I think we need to build an international anti terrorist police force with specific goals and a specific mission to take out terrorist organizations and to protect innocent lives. This might be put together by the UN.

As to the history of our involvement in the Mid East since the Iraq war, I agree that it has been wrong headed. We can't take a side in a civil or religious war. And we can't make a democratic country out of a country with ethnic factions that would rather hate each other than build a country where they live together in peace and share power.

The West needs to protect itself from terrorism but the Mid East needs to solve it's problems it's own way. We can help in some ways but we can't take the leadership roll I think.

I hope to hear my ideas tonight in the debate.

I don't give a shit if you want to attack Hillary for whatever reason about past history. We need to solve our problems today and living in the past doesn't do that. The past can teach us lessons but we can't hope for a better past.

That's how I see it this morning.

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I would argue that ISIS is the result of a poorly executed Iraq War ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #1
The Bush/Cheney decision to invade Iraq was a reasonable one? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #5
Do you ever read what is written? ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #10
147 Democrats voted AGAINST the Iraq war resolution think Nov 2015 #18
LePage is angryvet Nov 2015 #27
Seems you'll never get past the preconceived notion Dem2 Nov 2015 #22
I know ... a character flaw. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #23
No not even! We did not need benefit of hindsight to know the Iraq invasion was the wrong thing to upaloopa Nov 2015 #6
NO we did not have Richard Clark and many more telling us so ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #11
Well I will have to disagree with you upaloopa Nov 2015 #31
This is a truly incredible line of bullshit you're trying to sell here melman Nov 2015 #32
You think so? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #36
A very valid point. Invasion based on lies, but why was it also executed so poorly? Justice Nov 2015 #14
It was flawed from the start ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #17
The majority of Democrats in the House voted No, so that's incorrect Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #33
You are correct regarding the vote totals. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #37
10/7/2002 CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin informed Congress femmedem Nov 2015 #16
... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #20
Yes, I read that. But "unless attacked first" is important as well femmedem Nov 2015 #29
I agree--it not only was a wrong war ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #19
I see... so although it was a bogus war, if we'd just have done a better job whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #26
yes ... That's exactly what I meant ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #28
very well said restorefreedom Nov 2015 #2
And please remember the original name for the Iraq war was benld74 Nov 2015 #3
This One Looks Forward To The Debate When HRC Withdraws Referencing Her Role In Neocon Hegemony cantbeserious Nov 2015 #4
If we all learn from our mistakes and improve our actions we are better served. upaloopa Nov 2015 #8
Clearly One Has Not Listened - HRC Is Still A Neocon cantbeserious Nov 2015 #9
Knock knock ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #30
the U.S. military invasion, overthrow, and occupation bigtree Nov 2015 #7
+1000 ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #21
the US effort in the middle east has been under new management the past 7 yrs. Bush is no longer the msongs Nov 2015 #12
I'm looking for the candidate that will go after the funding sources riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #13
Ihave heard this so many times but I actually dont see the connection jamzrockz Nov 2015 #15
It was not an inevitable result of the Iraq War BainsBane Nov 2015 #24
ISIS had its genesis in 1989. randome Nov 2015 #25
Going forward, we need someone who doesn't think that the top jfern Nov 2015 #34
I agree with this: LWolf Nov 2015 #35
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