2016 Postmortem

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Bernie: "I said at the time that toppling Iraq would destabilize the region and create ISIS, [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 OP

People keep saying that HRC has lots of foreign policy cred, while implying winter is coming Nov 2015 #1

That's true, Bernie has understood this for a long time. appalachiablue Nov 2015 #48

Hillary has more foreign policy experience, but Cheney has even more jfern Nov 2015 #56

+1 marym625 Nov 2015 #96

Oh how I wish Bernie would just say that in the debate left lowrider Nov 2015 #138

Well, bvar22 Nov 2015 #155

Hillary and her crowd are the "experts"... experts who have been horribly wrong. reformist2 Nov 2015 #78

The best and the brightest... R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #156

The best that money can buy. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #158

He's right Dem2 Nov 2015 #2

So, your headline is only Your imagination saying what you think Bernie SHOULD say...... riversedge Nov 2015 #3

Was that not clear? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #4

Nope, it actually looks like a quote. I'm sure many who don't get to the body of your OP will bettyellen Nov 2015 #19

I'm pretty sure it meets professional publishing standards MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #25

Bernie: "I said..."is not deceptive? LOL @ citing professional publishing standards for DU. bettyellen Nov 2015 #26

I can see that professional publishing standards would be a LOL! for you. nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #32

Bernie Sanders: "I told you so, America! Peace and love is the answer!" bettyellen Nov 2015 #36

Cuz War! AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #68

Timing is everything, and Sanders would be a fool to pull a "told ya so" tonight. bettyellen Nov 2015 #69

So when do we ask her what her vote has wrought ? Fawke Em Nov 2015 #139

No, it wasn't. TekGryphon Nov 2015 #29

It was deceptive, typical of a Manny OP - say one thing even though the truth is different.... George II Nov 2015 #41

No. You attributed that direct quote to Sanders. Thor_MN Nov 2015 #43

No, it appears deceptive riversedge Nov 2015 #89

Given the group who are complaining, MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #94

I knew he didn't say it and I'm a former reporter. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #141

other than mentioning isis by name, restorefreedom Nov 2015 #9

Don't argue minor points. tecelote Nov 2015 #23

There is only one war in the Middle East in which the US has troops on the ground..... George II Nov 2015 #42

Initially, but he has the presence of mind to realize when we have gone too far. tecelote Nov 2015 #47

The fact remains that the so-called "peace candidate" voted for the longest war in our history. George II Nov 2015 #49

Yet, he remains the morally superior choice. tecelote Nov 2015 #54

That's why we hold elections. George II Nov 2015 #59

Agreed. tecelote Nov 2015 #63

Wrong yet again... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #58

What about "or something like it" Paka Nov 2015 #99

many of us knew it would have terrible results SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #5

But, of course...don't you get it? Hepburn Nov 2015 #7

President Carter... SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #10

Yes, absolutely yes. One has to be totally naive to not have understood the consequences. Hepburn Nov 2015 #6

Bernie has to hit her hard kcjohn1 Nov 2015 #8

Her foreign policy mistakes are indefensible. Hepburn Nov 2015 #13

Heck, even I said toppling Iraq would destabilize Iraq Hortensis Nov 2015 #11

Maybe no one specifically saw "ISIS" but I think many had an idea we'd see pretty extreme sectarians Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #18

Yup. All Hussein's munitions stores left bare nekked Hortensis Nov 2015 #72

ISIS is a cancer and needs to be eliminated. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #12

Do we starve it? Or do we help it to metastasize? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #14

+1 daleanime Nov 2015 #20

Heavy rounds of chemo. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #27

What, like nukes? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #33

Unfortunately, starving the beast will starve women and children too. There is no easy answer. bettyellen Nov 2015 #40

Chemical weapons maybe? jamzrockz Nov 2015 #55

Absolutely, He was so RIGHT. He should quote Michael Ledeen 'we are going to turn the whole region sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #15

Amen.... daleanime Nov 2015 #22

Well said, and should be obvious to anyone. Even politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #16

Bernie's statement didn't represent what the media and Defense Dept. wanted. jalan48 Nov 2015 #17

War has a trickle down affect demwing Nov 2015 #21

Yes... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #91

Yes, Bernie, but look at all the fabulously rich people who'll get even richer! valerief Nov 2015 #24

Blaming Hillary for ISIS will REALLY endear him to Democrats. Metric System Nov 2015 #28

That's what you take away from this? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #34

Respectfully, Bernie's chances of becoming president ended with the Paris Attacks. Justice Nov 2015 #30

Right, because America wants more WAR!! AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #35

"Right, because America wants more WAR!!" malokvale77 Nov 2015 #97

there is always the danger of him being sucked into the "a light little intervention against an MisterP Nov 2015 #38

Interesting point. Beausoir Nov 2015 #45

Respectfully, I think it gives him a leg up. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #95

K N R Faux pas Nov 2015 #31

Bernie needs to pledge to go after the funding sources for ISIS riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #37

Very interesting. This makes sense. Maineman Nov 2015 #65

+1 Weidman Nov 2015 #87

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Nov 2015 #140

Can anyone find the date of the Bernie speech about not going to war with Iraq? AikidoSoul Nov 2015 #39

Crass grave-dancing to score cheap political points. Beausoir Nov 2015 #44

As we Red Sox fans used to say about our left fielder, "that's just Manny being Manny". George II Nov 2015 #46

Heh! ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #50

Considering your Sig-line... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #93

Cheap political points? In GDP? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #118

Yea, he is right on the problem but jamzrockz Nov 2015 #51

I hope this gives all the candidates a chance to speak in detail. I'm afraid it won't. bettyellen Nov 2015 #81

He's right. Saudi Arabia, and all other nation states Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #149

Why would you say that I want US intervention anywhere? jamzrockz Nov 2015 #153

I didn't. It was just a question. Thanks for answering. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #157

"We came, we saw, he died" Babel_17 Nov 2015 #52

"We came, we saw, he died" malokvale77 Nov 2015 #100

I'm not 180 degrees in disagreement with her on foreign policy Babel_17 Nov 2015 #109

I'm not sure where we disagree. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #121

The Military-Industrial complex is like an octopus Babel_17 Nov 2015 #146

Gotcha... nt malokvale77 Nov 2015 #147

Stop fabricating quotes to put in Democrat's mouths emulatorloo Nov 2015 #53

+1,000,000 nt Andy823 Nov 2015 #60

++++ and it is horrible advice for Sanders. bettyellen Nov 2015 #66

It was a suggestion for a statement... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #126

My opinion sweetapogee Nov 2015 #57

Judging by her supporters statements on the matter today AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #61

This here... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #101

It Is Increasingly Clear That HRC Must Withdraw From The 2016 Election For Her Role As A Neocon cantbeserious Nov 2015 #62

cutandpastemuch cantbeserious? eom bettyellen Nov 2015 #64

Ridicule - The First Sign Of Nothing Better To Say cantbeserious Nov 2015 #67

No Joy In (your) Repetition. bettyellen Nov 2015 #90

No Joy In (you) Either. nt malokvale77 Nov 2015 #104

She should have done us all the favor... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #103

Bernie is indeed a wise man. Owl Nov 2015 #70

I hope he confronts her about her nasty campaign... raindaddy Nov 2015 #71

ISIS has its genesis back in 1989. Our invasion made things worse but we did not 'create' ISIS. randome Nov 2015 #73

So once again, Manny, you've tried to use a global tragedy for your own political agenda. randome Nov 2015 #75

That is your reply to self? nt malokvale77 Nov 2015 #105

Who helped uncork the bottle ? TheFarS1de Nov 2015 #80

And as she has said -rightly or wrongly- she was told that the resolution was to avoid war. randome Nov 2015 #82

That is one hell of a miscalculation . TheFarS1de Nov 2015 #85

For the most part, I agree. Clinton is more politically calculating than I would wish. randome Nov 2015 #86

"And as she has said -rightly or wrongly- she was told that the resolution was to avoid war." malokvale77 Nov 2015 #110

More of a political opportunist. I don't like it but she's light years ahead of Trump or Carson. randome Nov 2015 #132

No... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #137

"she was told" implies she lacks critical thinking skills. GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #160

Forgive me! MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #106

She didn't fight to start anything. She made a politically calculated vote. randome Nov 2015 #133

"No politician wants to be on the losing side of a vote." So you recommend voting for bad ... Scuba Nov 2015 #142

And a speech. Don't forget the speech. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #144

Man overboard!! Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #151

We're going to need a big one. azmom Nov 2015 #161

LOL. bvar22 Nov 2015 #154

Cheney said it too.... Sancho Nov 2015 #74

K&R! marym625 Nov 2015 #76

Ayup. AzDar Nov 2015 #77

but his supporters r white supremacist volvo driving bros who wear purple gingham shirts & use macs! Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #79

WTF... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #111

Let's be real, for a minute. Sen. Sanders is a smart man, but he's pushing 75. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #114

OK... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #129

Don't forget the perfectly shaped heads for a fedora. polly7 Nov 2015 #115

I shouldn't have dissed that junior league amateur blogger, I guess. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #117

She is definitely exceptionally perceptive, polly7 Nov 2015 #119

Since he's imaginary, he has an infinite closet of potential imaginary outfits at his disposal. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #120

True, they are all quite dashing in every photo I've seen of them! polly7 Nov 2015 #124

If we did not invade Iraq there would be no ISIS today. That is clear Teamster Jeff Nov 2015 #83

ISIS started in 1989. randome Nov 2015 #84

Maybe so. But now they have the land in Iraq and Syria to legitimize themselves and to grow. Teamster Jeff Nov 2015 #88

"We made things worse but we did not 'create' ISIS. " malokvale77 Nov 2015 #130

ISIS began as a reaction to Russia's invasion of Afghanistan. randome Nov 2015 #131

So ISIS was our creation... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #136

Absolutely agree with this. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #159

Just stay your course Bernie... SoapBox Nov 2015 #92

And dodging fire from snipers. rury Nov 2015 #108

Over, & Over, & Over... Paka Nov 2015 #98

Bernie has a great mind and big heart Joe Turner Nov 2015 #102

So does Santa. Just sayin. juajen Nov 2015 #116

When you try to equivocate a made up fairy tale character (a ridiculous one at that)... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #134

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #107

K & R!!! Thespian2 Nov 2015 #112

Close enough... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #113

I'm right behind you malokvale. Fuck this SSDD shit. nt nc4bo Nov 2015 #127

YUP... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #135

Sanders will not hand soundbytes on a silver platter to the GOP. joshcryer Nov 2015 #122

the OP cantbeserious! bettyellen Nov 2015 #128

Ah, nanny conjuring up stuff again (the headline OP this time) riversedge Nov 2015 #123

K&R! nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #125

OK... He basically just said that. Can y'all move on now? eom Fawke Em Nov 2015 #143

Yessssss, he did!!! Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #152

Exactly right. No Iraq War and we wouldn't be dealing with ISIS mvd Nov 2015 #145

And people think Hillary is strong on foreign affairs? Bernie is ROCK SOLID! Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #148

Good post Manny... diverdownjt Nov 2015 #150