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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:37 PM

25. That's the question that I had.

Let me rephrase. Why is it that when I challenge Bernie on guns, I get accused of using guns as a "wedge issue", whereas when other people challenge, let's say, Hillary on single payer or $15 or whatever, somehow that is not considered "wedge".

Why not? Next time someone challenges Hillary for not supporting single payer are you going to accuse them of using healthcare as a "wedge"?

Since you asked, I'll also respond to this.
The real problem that needs addressing is that people in this society, many of them, are in huge trouble in their lives, and there is no positive societal mechanism to proactively work with such people. Most gun violence could be prevented by such programs. For example, why not have funded support programs for anyone who has income insecurity, whether they qualify for unemployment or disability or not (most people fall through the cracks and are receiving neither benefit).

No, that's not the "real problem." At least not when it comes to gun violence. What you are describing is a problem, but the real problem is that there are too many guns and not enough gun regulations.

As I've mentioned in many other responses, Western Europe doesn't have a significantly lower rate of violent crime than we do. We're somewhere in the middle of the developed world. Where we stick out is in homicide, and gun homicide specifically. The arguments about other social ills or inequality or whatever else do not fit the data.

The reason why we are an outlier when it comes to homicide and not other categories of violent crime is because guns are much more lethal than other weapons. A crime committed with a gun is much more likely to result in serious injury or death. An escalating argument or fight is much more likely to wind up with someone dead if there are guns in the picture.

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