2016 Postmortem

JonLeibowitz

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37. Evidently when doing the political calculus he decided it wouldn't help.

Reply to hill2016 (Reply #35)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:48 PM

Nov 2015

Or possibly he realizes it wouldn't look good in view of the 10th amendment (states rights).

I really don't know.

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Hillary doesn’t want to save families $5000/year through single payer plan to guarantee health care [View all] Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 OP

Well, she protected them from 9/11 AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #1

If she doesn't speak up for the insurance industry, who will? arcane1 Nov 2015 #2

LOL I know right they just can't catch a break Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #12

I am sure she will say "cut it out" Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #53

quick hill2016 Nov 2015 #3

Because Sanders held statewide elected office in Vermont at some point in his career? JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #8

Bernie hill2016 Nov 2015 #10

Yeah its such a terrible idea...Private insurancer is much better for everyone Armstead Nov 2015 #22

Some in this thread clearly never took a civics class, where they learn who represents whom & where JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #25

fancy that hill2016 Nov 2015 #32

I'm talking about Bernie's responsibility at the national level; not to work on state level policy. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #33

as a resident of Vermont hill2016 Nov 2015 #35

Evidently when doing the political calculus he decided it wouldn't help. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #37

Single payer wouldn't save that much any time soon. Maybe way down the road Hoyt Nov 2015 #4

Are you an actuary? 99Forever Nov 2015 #14

Are you? Sanders' own state couldn't make the numbers work Hoyt Nov 2015 #16

I'm not the one pulling predictions out of my ass. 99Forever Nov 2015 #21

I was the budget analyst for state Medicaid program decades ago. Is that good enough for you? Hoyt Nov 2015 #24

The numbers are probably difficult to work in the current system where RX companies randys1 Nov 2015 #29

That's exactly why I think it will take single payer awhile to produce results people could see. Hoyt Nov 2015 #30

Look at Medicare if you want to see results AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #70

Medicare without the policies and controls other countries have on utilization, prices, and Hoyt Nov 2015 #72

And they all do that under Medicare, too Recursion Nov 2015 #39

No it isn't. 99Forever Nov 2015 #42

See hiw it worjed for Vermont. And stop acting like a child. Hoyt Nov 2015 #43

You do undertand that state and federal governments... 99Forever Nov 2015 #45

You do understand there are similarities and our Congress is not Hoyt Nov 2015 #46

I do understand that Senator Sander is a member of the FEDERAL government... 99Forever Nov 2015 #47

No I do not. Obviously, you forget that in 2011 Vermont enacted a single payer law, but Hoyt Nov 2015 #48

... 99Forever Nov 2015 #50

We are talking Single Payer, not Sanders. Hoyt Nov 2015 #51

Bullshit. 99Forever Nov 2015 #58

Is Sanders? mythology Nov 2015 #31

You think Sanders hasn't discussed this with actuaries? 99Forever Nov 2015 #41

Neither does Vermont. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #5

Because Sanders held statewide elected office in Vermont at some point in his career? JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #9

Did he use the bully pulpit, or even write an op-ed? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #11

Fer Krist sake he's been advocating it for years Armstead Nov 2015 #23

I'm dissapointed in Hillary too. azmom Nov 2015 #6

Me too but I'm glad people are revealing which side they are on. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #13

I heard his campaign was working on a study that would provide some numbers on single payer HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #7

He said it a couple different times today Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #15

I agree. No doubt Bernie's on the right side of the issue. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #17

What about the poor health insurance CEO's? pa28 Nov 2015 #18

Yep it seems like these corporate insurance bureaucrats are making out like bandits. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #20

Her republicanspeak 'he's going to tax the middle class' won't work Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #19

Yep. I think it's great this is a big topic in the campaign Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #26

The Canadian single payer, provincial administered system guillaumeb Nov 2015 #27

Hillary will carry water for the insurance industry. ibegurpard Nov 2015 #28

Bernie Sanders couldn't get single payer enacted moobu2 Nov 2015 #34

Certainly not with all these Democrats fighting against it. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #36

The Democrats couldn't do it either. moobu2 Nov 2015 #40

He's just lying to his followers about it MaggieD Nov 2015 #54

She already tried it more than 20 years ago BainsBane Nov 2015 #38

No, she did not try for single payer. She had the ins companies totally at the table, "helping" to kath Nov 2015 #44

Clinton tops 2016 field in drug industry donations pinebox Nov 2015 #49

Bernie stilling pretending single payer is free? MaggieD Nov 2015 #52

It's dishonest when people only cite the costs of single payer, but never the savings. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #59

How come Vermont didn't do it then? MaggieD Nov 2015 #60

Probably a failure of leadership. Their governor is a Hillary supporter he probably sabotaged it. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #61

No, it's a failure of costing too much MaggieD Nov 2015 #62

The system we have now costs more. We spend far more per person with worse results. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #63

Yes, because we have a higher standard of living MaggieD Nov 2015 #64

We have a higher standard of living than Canada? No we do not. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #65

Actually we do MaggieD Nov 2015 #67

Depends what you mean by "we" Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #68

No, we don't AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #69

Kickin' Faux pas Nov 2015 #55

I would imagine that Hillary Clinton has different expectations, rather cheapdate Nov 2015 #56

It is a tax credit, not everyone is going to spend $5000 on health insurance. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #57

That's five grand out of the pockets of predatory 'insurance' companies AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #66

I don't want a single payer system either. Adrahil Nov 2015 #71