2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: OK then. A Message to Hillary Supporters... [View all]Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)See, at the end of the day I'm a realist. You are VERY correct with the President Obama reference.
Have you by chance read many of the comments about how Obama betrayed the people who put him in office? Posts calling him an Oligarch. Posts calling him corporate bought and paid for? Etc.. etc.. etc..
President Obama was my 3rd choice in 2008. My first choice was Dennis Kucinich. When he bowed out, I supported Hillary. When she lost the Primary, I went full on in support of Obama. You are so spot on in the comparison. My biggest concern about President Obama was that he would either be horribly ineffectual as president if he stuck to his platform, or a HUGE disappointment to many who put him in office in the first place because to move forward he HAS/HAD to compromise.
Hell you can see it in some of the attacks on Hillary now for her time as SoS. She wasn't President, she was promoting President Obama's policy.
So yes, my concern with Bernie is the same concern I had with President Obama. Even more so, since President Obama at least seemed politically savvy, and knew how to get things done. If Bernie gets the Nomination, if Bernie goes on to become president, he will have the same choices Obama had, or Clinton would have: Do whatever it takes to get progressive and liberal policies pushed forward as much as possible with the congress he's given. Accept that many of those bills will be flawed in order to get them passed (think Healthcare reform without the single payer). OR a President Sanders will stick by the guns and policies, and positions that got him elected and end up making him the most useless, and ineffective president in History. I believe, unlike President Obama, Bernie Sanders has the moral fiber to make himself useless.
SO, I chose the candidate that, while having some flawed history, is EXCELLENT at working to actually get things done, and I KNOW she WILL work with the congress that America Gives her to work with. If America gives her a Republican House or Senate, we will NOT like chunks of the bills that do get passed, but in the end they will move us forward. If America gives her a typical Democrat Congress - we will get a LOT of progress, with only small compromises to corral up the needed votes. If America gives her a fully progressive Congress, we WILL have a fully progressive movement go on.
Those of us who are actual Democrats realize that it's not all about the Presidency, it's also about the congress we give to that president.