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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: OK then. A Message to Hillary Supporters... [View all]That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)349. Hmm... the White House accomplishments of Bill Clinton according to.... Bill Clinton's White House
Why no details in those accomplishments? Could it be because the legislative sausage isn't pretty?
Longest economic expansion in American history
What are the details behind that blurb? Website says: "The President's strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993. "
What does fiscal discipline mean? Open foreign markets in which direction?
More than 22 million new jobs
What did those jobs pay? Does that include H1-B visa jobs?
Highest home ownership in American history
I'm sorry perhaps we're not posting from the same reality based community, but where I am, 64.2% is LESS than 64.4%
https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/census/historic/owner.html
2000 66.2%
United States 1990 64.2%
1980 64.4%
Lowest unemployment in 30 years
Again, what sort of jobs? Good union jobs that allow a stay at home partner and a single wage earner to buy a home, car, and put children through college?
Why no mention of those awesome charter schools? here:
Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.
Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.
I'm curious as to why you didn't just cut and paste the whole page? Well lets read the details of just one more:
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
What are the details on that?
"The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992."
According to this report http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/12/how-bill-clintons-welfare-reform-created-a-system-rife-with-racial-biases/
Bill Clinton ran on this idea that he was going to end welfare as we know it. And he was also going to get tougher on crime. He was attempting to reassure white voters, but once the Republicans took Congress, in 1994, Clinton found that he had painted himself into a corner, because of course the Republicans were willing to go much farther in this game than he was.
Bill Clinton was to poor people what FDR was to rich people a source of unexpected betrayal.
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No, it is just another slur against Clinton supporters, and it really is tiresome.
still_one
Nov 2015
#419
I was banned instantly for my first post of the slightest criticism as well from HC group
LiberalLovinLug
Nov 2015
#385
Did you got to the Hillary Group and ask them politely to stop dissing Sanders?
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#393
That is quite clever, Manny. And you certainly serve up more than your share of frogs.
Buzz Clik
Nov 2015
#312
The owner of that website called Bernie supporters "ignorant white trailer trash".
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#155
It's just like the Conservative Cave but was created by Hillary supporters.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#280
The "you started it" meme. And the "You reap what you sow" is projection.
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#232
Every cloud has a silver lining though. What that site did was to destroy completely
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#398
I think that comment will move you up to number one on the hit list. It was WillyT
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#233
In response to another right-wing yowling about the evil of bernie and his supporters
Scootaloo
Nov 2015
#5
The agenda to destroy Hillary and install a republican in the WH seems to have legs around here.
randys1
Nov 2015
#87
Would be nice if she was the kind of candidate all progressive Democrats could get behind.
Hissyspit
Nov 2015
#104
More Bernie supporters should come right out and say how they feel about Obama.
stevenleser
Nov 2015
#89
I think Bernie would have been a lot better president if had not had Rahm
LiberalArkie
Nov 2015
#123
I just dreamt that your title written in the future and got tangled in the wires.
JonLeibowitz
Nov 2015
#132
Nope, you can't lay that on me, that was discussed by two prior posters in the thread.
stevenleser
Nov 2015
#142
More Hillary supporters should come right out and say how they FELT about Hillary
cui bono
Nov 2015
#214
I kind of like him and think that considering the political atmosphere of America these day
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2015
#218
Her agency is bigger than the city the Vermont independent was the mayor of...
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2015
#10
The State Department also has several hundred offices and facilities around the world.
George II
Nov 2015
#413
That's about one third of the number of people who voted for Sanders for "Senator"
George II
Nov 2015
#56
So if Hillary is the (D) nominee you would instead vote for Trump? Carson? Hmmm. n/t
Ineeda
Nov 2015
#112
Corporate dems need to dragged along all those issues you find important.
ish of the hammer
Nov 2015
#350
I don't think you understand where I am coming from. So I will try to explain.
ish of the hammer
Nov 2015
#390
I totally get "where you're coming from", I just don't agree with your fuck-'em-all attitude.
Ineeda
Nov 2015
#397
If you are not sure that your vote is properly tallied, then when you vote, you are legitimizing
ish of the hammer
Nov 2015
#402
Attack of the democratic party, I think. I think I will take it that way from now on
randys1
Nov 2015
#88
I like her position in the issues important to me, I have researched the candidates and she is on
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#12
Need the link. BTW, I am a lifelong Democrat and will be for the rest of my life.
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#45
You asked for a quote or a link showing it was a RW talking point. Matters not if he was elected.
JonLeibowitz
Nov 2015
#58
Well, in case you have amnesia from 2012 and aren't just being overly snarky
JonLeibowitz
Nov 2015
#71
Actually I went to the links and did not see anything about increasing the income taxes on low wage
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#105
Likewise everyone should shoulder the cost. I dont have a problem with everyone having health
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#130
I like animals, but it is amazint how much people spend on their vet bills and then how some of
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#216
True. Or not have pets in the first place because they know they will not be able to pay the
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#247
I was making the point that people will pay vets to take care of their pets but don't want
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#249
I try to avoid this forum if possible, the Reagan-speak and hatred is toxic.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#269
There are a couple of rabid ones that were sent on vacation many times and keep coming back.
BeanMusical
Nov 2015
#278
There are jobs, might be low wage jobs like the one I have but it is a job which pays wages, I do
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#38
Title later line does not wrap, so it left off the word "not", thanks for edit
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#297
What would be the importance of convincing him of anything in that case?
Starry Messenger
Nov 2015
#149
The only problem I have with this post is: It is impossible to convince anyone to believe what
Vincardog
Nov 2015
#18
The HRC supporter that calls me admitted she gets paid. Some posters seem incapable of rational
Vincardog
Nov 2015
#30
Are you pretending that Bernie would nominate inferior SCOTUS judges? Strawman argument
Vincardog
Nov 2015
#24
Bernie will not have my support. He will have my vote if he is the nominee.
msanthrope
Nov 2015
#212
That's full tilt crazy. Rand Paul is opposed to LGBT equality, opposed to women's right to
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2015
#320
He would respect constitutionally protected Civil "Liberties" but not Civil "RIGHTS." n/t
1StrongBlackMan
Nov 2015
#336
Well, I don't think it's just ME that sees her that way, just cos I like Bernie.
sibelian
Nov 2015
#242
She will continue tearing the party apart. Her conservative wing of the party has nothing
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#234
I really don't believe the intent of these threads is to foster discussion, any way...
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2015
#115
Why is it so hard for some folks to believe other people can have different opinions?
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2015
#145
The only thing they post about more often than polls are rants about Bernie's supporters.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#74
"Bernie's supporters need to sell their candidates ideas and not..." They don't get it.
stevenleser
Nov 2015
#103
I'm worried that she won't fight against the money brokers who have co-opted our country.
The Wielding Truth
Nov 2015
#131
Either that or they don't understand the difference. Either way same difference. nt
stevenleser
Nov 2015
#152
"Make your case. She must bring something of value to people, not politics."
George II
Nov 2015
#168
Sometimes one thing in these manifesto type rants sticks out as especially nutty.
Rose Siding
Nov 2015
#226
How about the poster chose not to attempt refuting the rest, because it is the truth??
darkangel218
Nov 2015
#228
At this point, "fornt runner" means as much to me as "no votes have been cast" means to you.
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#302
At some point a stand must be taken, a horrible compromise that goes too far
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#306
LBJ campaigned as a moderate??? If the Great Society was moderate we need more of it!
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#354
The only point deception makes is that facts don't support your conclusion. n/t
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#372
Hmm... the White House accomplishments of Bill Clinton according to.... Bill Clinton's White House
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#349
If the person running for the nomination was a White male, and had the exact same experience,
Ikonoklast
Nov 2015
#315
I think many of the anti Bernie posters are just antisemitic just as some of the anti Hillary
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2015
#331
It's really very simple. I cannot vote for people who will continue to destroy
onecaliberal
Nov 2015
#344
Anyone who does not vote for the Democratic nominee, whether it be Bernie or Clinton....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Nov 2015
#415
And she is by far the favorite to be the next president, so your arguments are wrong
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2015
#381
And probably get us into a ground war with Russia in the Middle East. PERIOD.
Maedhros
Nov 2015
#412