2016 Postmortem

BainsBane

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48. Insults, treating people as inferior isn't a winning campaign strategy

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 03:28 PM

Nov 2015

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People aren't going to believe others care about equality when they treat them as inferior. It fact, it's clear they do not.

Nor did you bother to ask why my views are. The fact I disagree on tactics and approach and fail to share your adoration for a single member of the political elite was enough for you to declare me a centrist. It's a sadly narrow conception of politics and ideology, but precisely the kind of view articulated by people whose entire approach to politics is about the advancing the career of a single member of the political elite.

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If Bernie Loses, Are POC Going to be Blamed? [View all] firebrand80 Nov 2015 OP

Sanders and only Sanders is to be blamed if he loses. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #1

Yes, that IS common sense thinking. But I fear that when he loses, PoC will be blamed BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #28

Of course they will. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #36

I hope we're proven wrong, NCT. I hope that after the primaries and Sanders loses BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #43

Hopefully, if Clinton wins, Chemisse Nov 2015 #102

Regardless, people will be too busy crediting POC Hortensis Nov 2015 #106

I would also venture that some of Sander's supporters also contributed negatively to his still_one Nov 2015 #97

That is a meme AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #158

Bernies message is attracting BootinUp Nov 2015 #2

Bull crap, but keep repeating it because repetition makes perfect--and true, right? merrily Nov 2015 #6

"... s/he said after 5 whole minutes. " NurseJackie Nov 2015 #18

Anxious to show you missed the point entirely? Good for you! merrily Nov 2015 #22

I'm equally amused at the posters who ... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #40

And, you also win the second non sequitur award of the thread. Congrats again! merrily Nov 2015 #42

Tee hee! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #51

Anytime you conservative Dems wish to discuss issues with us, please do pinebox Nov 2015 #29

+1. Posts by them discussing issues are *extremely* rare. kath Nov 2015 #89

Oh god randys1 Nov 2015 #101

Oh! I do! Let's go. eom Fawke Em Nov 2015 #139

i will say the same thing i said about gore restorefreedom Nov 2015 #3

No. People of all colors will have Wall St to blame. nt lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #4

IF Sanders loses, I will blame Third Way corporatists and a rigged system. merrily Nov 2015 #5

ditto ibegurpard Nov 2015 #11

don't forget the neo-liberals and the DINOs redstateblues Nov 2015 #81

They would be included in "Third Way corporatists." merrily Nov 2015 #85

Do you mean the primaries or the general? brush Nov 2015 #105

I saw the OP as about the primary. Therefore my reply was about the primary. merrily Nov 2015 #107

+1000 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #164

The only blame games being played at DU TM99 Nov 2015 #7

Your post serves as a perfect demonstration BainsBane Nov 2015 #9

Lordy! bravenak Nov 2015 #10

BINGO. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #33

And your response serves as an illustration of every grudge progressives hold against centrists: Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #34

Insults, treating people as inferior isn't a winning campaign strategy BainsBane Nov 2015 #48

It's good to remind folks that Bernie is indeed a member of the "political elite." yardwork Nov 2015 #62

Yes, this Bernie is a fictional creation treestar Nov 2015 #156

Your post was in defense of a centrist Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #141

Then why do you persist in doing it? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #160

Wow. You guys are really tone deaf. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #140

^^^THAT.RIGHT.THERE!^^^ onecaliberal Nov 2015 #16

If you point can point to any post on DU using the term "retards" I will alert on it yardwork Nov 2015 #23

The tacit approval of Rahm Emmanuel TM99 Nov 2015 #44

I intensely dislike Rahm Emanuel and I don't remember anybody approving of his use of that term. yardwork Nov 2015 #60

Then you better dust up your searching skills. TM99 Nov 2015 #61

Oh so now it's my fault for not doing the work myself? yardwork Nov 2015 #63

I took the challenge back to 2010 on DU2 JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #146

Killed it as usual, JAG. Awesome post. But I guess our dear friend will have to reply later Number23 Nov 2015 #171

His being flagged is unfortunate JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #180

Preach!! nt artislife Nov 2015 #72

Bingo! kath Nov 2015 #91

Really? You've been called a "retard"? On DU? Rose Siding Nov 2015 #150

+1000 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #165

Just waiting for you to be able to post. This is taking quite a while, imo. bravenak Nov 2015 #181

Heh. bravenak Nov 2015 #8

No. LWolf Nov 2015 #12

"I wish you wouldn't decide for yourself...." okasha Nov 2015 #170

Leaving out part of a quote can really twist the meaning, can't it? LWolf Nov 2015 #185

No, I can't read your mind. okasha Nov 2015 #189

No Kalidurga Nov 2015 #13

omg joke du jour Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #14

+1000!!!!! nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #32

A few did...nt artislife Nov 2015 #75

The blame falls to Sanders for running in the first place Freddie Stubbs Nov 2015 #15

Ouch. So true! nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #167

no. eom Hiraeth Nov 2015 #17

I don't think so. Chan790 Nov 2015 #19

Wow. Drank the whole pitcherful, didn't you? okasha Nov 2015 #59

Own the Kool-aid factory. :) n/t Chan790 Nov 2015 #64

Funny, how we hated posts like these artislife Nov 2015 #73

Childish and disgusting retort. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #169

. BootinUp Nov 2015 #66

Laugh. Chan790 Nov 2015 #67

Good for you. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #68

No. Not by anyone who understands politics anyway. morningfog Nov 2015 #20

You proclaiming everyone has moderate jkbRN Nov 2015 #21

The Atlanta rally really has the Clinton camp frightened. That seems all too clear. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #24

Scared of Killer Mike? leftofcool Nov 2015 #27

as a heart attack. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #31

Nah. Civil Rights icon, Rep. John Lewis, is firmly for Hillary Clinton. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #45

He can't rap. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #46

Who says? I'm pretty sure, with that wonderful voice, he'd make a fine Rapper if he applied BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #50

You do understand that less than 50% of Black youth under the age of 30 know who Lewis is, right? Chan790 Nov 2015 #76

Doesn't that say more... MrWendel Nov 2015 #84

Time moves on. jeff47 Nov 2015 #95

So when... MrWendel Nov 2015 #108

Poor example Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #112

So anyone... MrWendel Nov 2015 #115

Easy there Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #116

While I agree... MrWendel Nov 2015 #117

It goes beyond a political prize though Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #120

No, "loses the visceral feeling" is not the same as "means nothing". jeff47 Nov 2015 #122

The same... MrWendel Nov 2015 #124

Mike never said that. He said that Bernie is the best candidate to carry on the legacy of MLK. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #127

Then Mike... MrWendel Nov 2015 #128

Again. He never said that Bernie is the next MLK. He said that Bernie is the best candidate to Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #130

Yeah, but almost 100% of blacks over the age of 50 know who MLK is. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #153

Do you know how much respect Lewis lost when he sided with establishment at the Atlanta Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #135

+5 appalachiablue Nov 2015 #56

No, they won't.... daleanime Nov 2015 #25

Pop 8 was ugly. Voting for it was morally reprehensible. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #26

Just for clarification...did you mean Proposition "Prop" 8 in California? BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #41

The same one: Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #90

Blamed by whom? MineralMan Nov 2015 #30

I take it, based on your sig Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #35

If Clinton loses, will the Left get blamed...as usual? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #37

Liberals Livluvgrow Nov 2015 #39

Of course they will. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #94

Of course. Even when the turnout problem is moderates. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #96

Only if far left liberals like you, who aren't really Democrats, .... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #98

What are the qualifications for a "Real" Democrat? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #100

A Democrat is any liberal who realizes that the worst thing that can happen to this country.... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #121

+1 BootinUp Nov 2015 #123

first they will blame the left - then - now MARK MY WORD- if Secretary Clinton loses in the General Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #183

This seems like a shit stirring thread. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #38

Centrist = political cowardice Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #47

The week of Super Tuesday was the end artislife Nov 2015 #77

Hillary lost the black vote.... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #99

Right on! I think that is true, too. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #154

+10000 Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #184

Your fevered imagination is to blame for dragging this shit out today, bvar22 Nov 2015 #49

This OP seems like carefully laid bricks, doesn't it? nt artislife Nov 2015 #78

Must be glass bricks, bvar22 Nov 2015 #83

Perfect description artislife Nov 2015 #86

Yes Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #52

Yeah wben tbey were shouted down and tossed out by security oh wait SwampG8r Nov 2015 #125

Yep. Screamed at, demanded that they be tased. And to make a horrible situation even worse Number23 Nov 2015 #132

While you are remembering those times remember also aikoaiko Nov 2015 #155

I don't give a fat flying fart what the "concerns" and "issues" were Number23 Nov 2015 #161

Very few people denounced the movement or used slurs. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #162

Then you weren't looking. Which is of course SHOCKING. Really. SHOCKING Number23 Nov 2015 #163

I did see the denouncement of the full blown Soros-HRC-BLM conspiracy and.... aikoaiko Nov 2015 #174

I couldn't less if you saw them. Many here did, including many black DUers Number23 Nov 2015 #178

I think you're interested because you're posting on a discussion board. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #179

Of course. okasha Nov 2015 #53

+1 Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #57

I hear we have Stockholm Syndrome. /nt yardwork Nov 2015 #69

I am in the process of identifying a condition called Montpelier Syndrome. Squinch Nov 2015 #88

You nailed it, okasha. Number23 Nov 2015 #133

Well, just going by the tone The Polack MSgt Nov 2015 #54

Well played, Polack! Number23 Nov 2015 #134

Well played sir! n/t JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #147

No, of course not-not in my opinion fredamae Nov 2015 #55

probably 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #58

Oh, h*** no. rogerashton Nov 2015 #65

in my case they will be cheered for not falling for the bullying and name calling. nt Sheepshank Nov 2015 #70

This is just made up artislife Nov 2015 #71

Off by one letter 'A' PAC not PoC - nt. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #74

Less than a month here artislife Nov 2015 #79

No clue ibegurpard Nov 2015 #80

They always do, pershaps they invited this one in...nt artislife Nov 2015 #82

The better question is who won't they blame MaggieD Nov 2015 #87

We are better than this... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #92

They will blame wall street banks for rigging the vote. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #93

If this gets me banned, there is little mmonk Nov 2015 #103

I will blame everyone who votes for Clinton. Vattel Nov 2015 #104

The Bernsters are already blaming them. DCBob Nov 2015 #109

I have no idea, but if they are then the blamers are pathetic people. Rex Nov 2015 #110

If Bernie loses, it may be the fault of his own supporters Empowerer Nov 2015 #111

Empowerer!! It's wonderful to see you again! Number23 Nov 2015 #136

It won't be because of annoying internet "supporters." joshcryer Nov 2015 #143

I doubt it. moobu2 Nov 2015 #113

I think that candidate that loses or wins gets to take credit for the results. Either way. Nt. seabeyond Nov 2015 #114

If Hillary loses, will liberals be blamed? Doctor_J Nov 2015 #118

Seriously? Fearless Nov 2015 #119

If Bernie loses it is his own fault GitRDun Nov 2015 #126

Do Hillary supporters always act like they own black and brown voters? Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #129

3rd Way = Republican Lite Stale Thinking Joe Turner Nov 2015 #131

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #137

I won't. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #138

You mean like Hillary supporters did in 2008? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #142

Did they all vote for Obama in the GE after he beat Hillary in the primaries? Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #152

If anyone throws the primary for Hillary AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #144

Got to love this thread.. Kentonio Nov 2015 #145

You have it wrong. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #148

Sanders has not really made a case that he is viable in general election Gothmog Nov 2015 #149

Has Hillary made a case that she is viable in the general? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #157

Acually, Obama did, which is why he was able to beat Hillary. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #188

Specifics please... AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #190

Can you provide me the links to one of those notadmblnd Nov 2015 #151

Why not? 99Forever Nov 2015 #159

If any Democratic group succeeds in sinking his campaign AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #166

I couldn't agree more. 99Forever Nov 2015 #168

Did you support Prop 8? TSIAS Nov 2015 #172

This is the Democratic Party. Bernie will be blamed and called a "loser." McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #173

People do not help Hillary's campaign by pushing batshit crazy Donald Trump style memes like this Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #175

Some will blame POC RandySF Nov 2015 #176

I can't say what people will say, I will say Bernie won't blame anyone except for the same people orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #177

If Hillary loses the general election, "professional leftists" will be blamed jfern Nov 2015 #182

I would say the propaganda blamed POC, not the people. It was a good way to create division Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #186

Far left? jalan48 Nov 2015 #187