2016 Postmortem

JoePhilly

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17. Do you honestly think that VERMONT ...

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 11:30 PM

Nov 2015

... predicts anything NATIONALLY?

I am not ignoring anything ... but YOU just ignored the rather large part of the US that is NOT like Vermont.

As for the "Bernie can't win thing" ... I disagree with you. He could win. But I do not think he will. Why not?

1) Hillary is much stronger than she was in 2007.

2) Hillary knows she (barely) lost to Obama because she ignored the caucus states. She will not make that mistake again.

3) Obama was able to get LOTS and LOTS of folks who would have HAPPILY voted for Hillary to switch. Obama supporters did not vilify Hilary supporters, they reached out to them. Many of Bernie's supporters HATE those who would vote for Hillary, and are happy to go on and on about it. They cost Bernie support. And here on DU they are the same folks who wanted a primary of Obama in 2012. And we know how that worked out.

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Why Bernie will win the GE: Meet The Lifelong Republicans Who Love Bernie Sanders [View all] 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 OP

So conservative Republicans, are ok having their taxes raised ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #1

Apparently so. Because their are, believe it or not, many Republicans who still have a conscience. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #2

Republcians who welcome higher taxes ... ok. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #4

Evidently some republicans do welcome higher taxes. As pointed out above, JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #6

Look, I'm no Reagan fan, but his SS support was about like Obama's 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #8

No, WRONG. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #12

Tell that to Bernie's 25% GOP cross-over voters in Vermont. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #14

Do you honestly think that VERMONT ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #17

Yes, Vermont is not Texas. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #18

Why are you babbling about Texas? JoePhilly Nov 2015 #19

Texas: the home of the Bush Crime Family, Where JFK was murdered, The Fossil Fuel Capital, etc. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #21

so rich Robbins Nov 2015 #38

I have not called anyone either of those names. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #43

The taxes will be higher mostly just for the wealthy. cui bono Nov 2015 #30

Have you noticed who conservative Republicans have been voting for in recent years? JoePhilly Nov 2015 #34

So now you're making it "Conservative Republicans". We were talking about Republicans that would cui bono Nov 2015 #40

Isn't that what today's Republicans are, conservative? JoePhilly Nov 2015 #41

The whole idea is lunacy treestar Nov 2015 #45

I've started to ask them questions about ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #47

Actual conservatives would not have a problem with that. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #33

Those no longer exist. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #35

According to the OP, they do. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #36

Which Republican policies do you support? JoePhilly Nov 2015 #42

None anymore. I went over to the left ahead of the imminent stampede. n/t Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #49

Funny that. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #3

Actually it DOES mean something entirely different. No more politics-as-usual .. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #5

Bernie pulls voters to the left while the conservadems chase them right. Broward Nov 2015 #9

Of course it means something different with Bernie because he stands for something different cui bono Nov 2015 #31

no standards or rules of any kind apply to Bernie treestar Nov 2015 #46

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #7

Putting the cart before the horse.... Historic NY Nov 2015 #10

Hint: delegates to the Democratic Convention are ELECTED in Primaries 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #11

Extrapolating that to the American electorate redstateblues Nov 2015 #13

Time will indeed tell, about Bernie's support in the South. It's a work in progress, admittedly. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #16

This person doesn't have a fig what they are politically ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #15

I have a good friend who is rabid GOP sellitman Nov 2015 #20

Can you get him to change his registration, just for the Primary? 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #22

Good idea sellitman Nov 2015 #23

. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #24

This map gives the deadlines for each state, the NY deadline already passed for changing ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #27

If we can nominate Bernie, he can win. kenn3d Nov 2015 #25

Yes. nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #28

Some family members are changing their party affiliation so they can vote for Sanders ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #26

All I can say is, yes. Bernie is fast becoming 'a thing' .. across the board. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #29

The plural of anecdote is not data. n.T. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #32

21-24% of Republican voters in Vermont is data. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #39

Except Vermont's electorate doesn't resemble the national electorate mythology Nov 2015 #44

That's what I said, so we agree. Vermont is not Texas, et. al. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #48

lol moobu2 Nov 2015 #37

Bernie -IS- a Game Changer. I -SO- hope that we are NOT here 25 yrs from now saying: IF ONLY ... Hiraeth Nov 2015 #50

Bernie has attracted large crowds in Iowa Republican strongholds CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #51

Yep. 'crazy like a fox' 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #52