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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
4. I agree that:
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:43 PM
Nov 2015
In the US women and African Americans are still held to a higher standard than white men. Acknowledging this isn’t playing the gender card or the race card.

That's true. I freely acknowledge it.

Gender may be a factor for some in this race. To be honest, I was...horrified, appalled, REPULSED by the primaries in '08, when I saw DU and Democrats across the nation fracture along race and gender lines, using both, and trying to rank one above the other as a priority, to determine the nominee.

Because gender issues and race issues are equally important; at least, they are to me.

If I am choosing my vote based on race and gender issues, it's not the race nor the gender of the candidate, but the candidates' records and positions on those issues that are going to determine my vote. I want more than a symbol.
What if Bernie were Bernice? [View all] pnwmom Nov 2015 OP
. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #1
Hillary does have a very unconventional past Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #2
Food for thought. He definitely benefits from white male privilege. Metric System Nov 2015 #3
if that the case Hillary Clinton benefits from white female privilege Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #52
so true. Hiraeth Nov 2015 #121
I agree that: LWolf Nov 2015 #4
Thank you. Many here seem to want to pretend that any discussion pnwmom Nov 2015 #6
You are welcome, of course. LWolf Nov 2015 #124
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #11
Thanks for your thoughtful post. lovemydog Nov 2015 #79
My support for Hillary is not gender based RandySF Nov 2015 #5
Don't forget the hair. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #7
Bernice seems like an awful person. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #8
Not to me. He seems like an extremely passionate, focused person -- pnwmom Nov 2015 #9
this Bernie supporter agrees, but I still think HRC/WJC are corrupt corporatists & wrong for U.S. zazen Nov 2015 #10
Thank you for a reasoned, non-defensive post. Yes, it is very possible pnwmom Nov 2015 #15
Voting for someone because of gender is the same as voting against someone because of gender. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #12
I would say that isn't always true. Not when you think both candidates have pnwmom Nov 2015 #16
Is it "true" this time? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #19
I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee. pnwmom Nov 2015 #22
I was impressed by her IWR vote, advocacy of torture, and calls for more war. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #23
oh, and k&r, because I hate this culture's double standard against "old women" n/t zazen Nov 2015 #13
Yes, Bernie has benefitted from privilege, that doesn't make his ideas any less correct. aidbo Nov 2015 #14
I don't think the election is ever based solely on ideas. pnwmom Nov 2015 #20
What if Hillary were Henry? Doctor_J Nov 2015 #17
I think a man who had been Secretary of State for Obama and Senator from NY, pnwmom Nov 2015 #21
that's the problem with living in a dream world as you seem to be doing Doctor_J Nov 2015 #24
You're the one living in a dream world. Men with her qualifications pnwmom Nov 2015 #26
Yup nt artislife Nov 2015 #34
john kerry was far more liberal than HRC. karynnj Nov 2015 #97
No,he wasn't. Not based on his Senate record. pnwmom Nov 2015 #99
It seems you are delighted by a turn to the right Aerows Nov 2015 #102
if you compare any year each were in the Senate, he karynnj Nov 2015 #107
If you look at each of their entire records while they were in the Senate, pnwmom Nov 2015 #108
their careers do not cover the same time frame karynnj Nov 2015 #110
Are you forgetting Biden's unwaivering support for the usurious Credit Card Companies? bvar22 Nov 2015 #129
None of that, for me, is even a whisp of a reason for me to support Hillary rather than Bernie. djean111 Nov 2015 #18
Then she'd be even better ibegurpard Nov 2015 #25
Can you think of any "angry," "gruff" women in Congress? pnwmom Nov 2015 #28
Virginia Foxx and Mean Jean Schmidt on the Rethuglican side. SMC22307 Nov 2015 #61
No problem for me. bvar22 Nov 2015 #27
Elizabeth Warren has spoken out repeatedly about the sexism pnwmom Nov 2015 #29
The op lives in a fantasy world. "If Bernie was a female, ..." Doctor_J Nov 2015 #30
You're living in a fantasy world, if you think Bernice Sanders would have succeeded pnwmom Nov 2015 #31
Since there IS no "Bernice Sanders", this whole THREAD is based upon a fantasy. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #132
Yes. The fantasy should make it obvious that no woman would have pnwmom Nov 2015 #135
The thing is would Hillary even be where she is at artislife Nov 2015 #35
BLAMO! bvar22 Nov 2015 #43
I think she would have. She was the first elected commencement speaker pnwmom Nov 2015 #51
I don't buy it. nt artislife Nov 2015 #68
Or in the Marines, right? Since Bill "changed" her course. Didn't she want to be a Marine? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #133
Exactly. What if Hillary Clinton were Hillary Rodham? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #70
In the 'if' game ... this wins hands down. earthside Nov 2015 #80
One of Bill Clinton's best assets BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #113
But he is always been the more likable one artislife Nov 2015 #126
Most of those who have actually BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #130
That's bull. If Hillary had been born a man, she would have had many more options Empowerer Nov 2015 #128
Exactly this - Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #134
I'm trying to imagine the hairstyle... Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #32
Trump has already been mocking Hillary's hair. A woman's appearance will always be mocked. pnwmom Nov 2015 #33
As I said above, I don't think if she hadn't been First Lady artislife Nov 2015 #36
She was chosen by a vote of her fellow students to be the commencement speaker pnwmom Nov 2015 #38
A commencement speaker...wow! artislife Nov 2015 #69
I don't know what those other 26 women are doing, but I do know pnwmom Nov 2015 #71
+ a million or so ... BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #114
I agree. I wouldn't support a candidate just for being a woman. However, there are millions pnwmom Nov 2015 #117
Seems like a new low every day. merrily Nov 2015 #37
Let us assume that EW had run and would sadoldgirl Nov 2015 #39
Elizabeth Warren is way different than the Bernice of the OP dsc Nov 2015 #42
Elizabeth has spoken about how careful she has to be as a WOMAN pnwmom Nov 2015 #44
You had some really good replies and some real clunkers too dsc Nov 2015 #40
That and the baby born out of wedlock. When have we ever seen any national pnwmom Nov 2015 #45
fact is I didn't even know that about Sanders dsc Nov 2015 #46
Some complain about the lack of media coverage, but that cuts both ways. pnwmom Nov 2015 #48
The three children from Bernie's second BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #115
Bernie often reminds me of Bella Abzug Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #41
a couple of things dsc Nov 2015 #50
Not everyone felt the hats were meticulous but that was not my point. He reminds me of her. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #60
What if Hillary was Hilmer? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #47
With her progressive record in the Senate, representing a large state, pnwmom Nov 2015 #49
Was for me. I really didn't want Kerry or Biden. But Kerry became the establishment's dog and got... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #66
The question isn't who you or I personally would have voted for. pnwmom Nov 2015 #72
Don't worry Hillary Clinton will get away with it too...and will likely get until into more military Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #73
What if Bernice won the election and her husband had an affair with an intern in the White House. Autumn Nov 2015 #53
Let me see if I understand your reasoning here. rogerashton Nov 2015 #54
No. But I think people should realize what Hillary has been up against. pnwmom Nov 2015 #57
I'd be very happy to be supporting the right woman for President. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #55
Do you really think so little of Progressive Democrats? Kalidurga Nov 2015 #56
Jane Sanders lost her job at Burlington College due to pnwmom Nov 2015 #58
I think if she had been politically inclined Kalidurga Nov 2015 #62
People often move from University jobs to politics, so that pnwmom Nov 2015 #65
Nope. Try again. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #75
Try what again? I'm responding to someone who said Jane would have been pnwmom Nov 2015 #76
A better question is what if Bernie were Elizabeth Warren...a lot of us would enthusiastically... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #59
Bingo. The Senator with the positions closest to Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #63
I would rather have a Warren-Sanders ticket. I would like to see a woman be President. It would be.. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #64
Food for thought mcar Nov 2015 #67
You're welcome. Thanks for thinking about it. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #85
Like how you threw non-praciticing Jew in there. I'll be keeping a look out any other "jew" comments Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #74
I noticed that too and she already lumped him in with Netanyahu once before. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #77
Nice to know. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #78
Why is it that calling someone a "Jew" is different from calling them a "Catholic" pnwmom Nov 2015 #84
When have you ever cited Hillary's or O'Malley's religion when discussing them? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #88
When is the last time you referred to Hillary as a practicing Christian? Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #90
I've frequently referred to her as being a strong or devout Methodist. pnwmom Nov 2015 #91
links? Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #93
I've never seen her refer to Hillary's faith when religion wasn't being discussed. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #94
Links for what? My own posts? I just wrote one recently, where I talked pnwmom Nov 2015 #95
How do you jump from non-practicing Jew to atheist? Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #111
Because I've seen him described variously as an agnostic or an atheist. pnwmom Nov 2015 #112
I have also discussed her faith. And I have no religion. bravenak Nov 2015 #104
OMG....Max...is that you????? msanthrope Nov 2015 #116
Great post, said lots, this still happens today. Like the remarks "you are only Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #81
Yes. Women couldn't even vote 100 years ago, and all 43 Presidents have been men. pnwmom Nov 2015 #87
I'd still stand with Bernice. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #82
It would be the same ram2008 Nov 2015 #83
Part of the reason Warren is not in the race is because of the difficulty pnwmom Nov 2015 #86
Umm, a woman is the frontrunner though ram2008 Nov 2015 #89
Right now she is but there are no guarantees, as you know. pnwmom Nov 2015 #92
No. She's not in the race because the DNC had already crowned Hillary davidn3600 Nov 2015 #118
Warren signed a letter urging HRC to run. She's never shown a bit of personal interest pnwmom Nov 2015 #119
lolwut melman Nov 2015 #96
What if Hillary was a social-democrat supporting the same positions as Bernie - would make that make Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #98
I nearly got my IQ lowered when I read this post. Aerows Nov 2015 #100
Me too. Cleita Nov 2015 #101
It's not wrong. joshcryer Nov 2015 #103
Click Baity = awesome DU username ... I -like- it !! Hiraeth Nov 2015 #125
Hillary gets plenty of support The stuff with Bill's escapades really haven't harmed her politically phleshdef Nov 2015 #105
I believe that gender is not a factor for you personally. pnwmom Nov 2015 #106
Perhaps cultural issues with gender might hinder "Bernice". Though it depends on how good... phleshdef Nov 2015 #109
She is a former Senator of a large state AND a former Secretary of State. pnwmom Nov 2015 #123
I promise you this, if Bernie OR Bernice was gay or trans they would not be considered for any Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author Hiraeth Nov 2015 #122
Excellent "shoe on the other foot" analysis Empowerer Nov 2015 #127
So it IS all about gender then. If your fantasy candidate were the BEST candidate, I'd vote for her. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #131
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