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Jarqui

(10,861 posts)
42. Really?
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 07:26 PM
Nov 2015

I'm focused on private insurance which is about $1 trillion per year. If you chop 15% off that figure, it's $150 billion per year.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/resource-center/affordable-care-act/health-insurance-rebate

One major, yet little known, requirement of the Affordable Care Act (health care reform) was that a major medical health insurance plan be required to spend at least 80-85% of collected premium dollars on member medical care, beginning in 2011. This is the law’s so-called “medical loss ratio” rule.
Now, every year, insurers who don’t meet this medical loss ratio (MLR) requirement have to refund the difference to policyholders. Rebates are due no later than August 1.


and they have paid out:
Health Insurers Set To Give Out More Obamacare Refunds
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/24/health-insurance-rebates_n_5614570.html

UnitedHealth
http://www.wsj.com/articles/unitedhealth-results-top-expectations-on-revenue-growth-1421839458
UnitedHealth said its medical-care ratio, a key industry metric that reflects the portion of insurance premiums used for patient care, fell to 79.8% in the fourth quarter from 81.2% a year earlier and was virtually flat from the 79.7% in the third quarter.


Anthem’s Medical Care Ratio Improves, Boosts Profit Margin
http://marketrealist.com/2015/04/anthems-medical-care-ratio-improves-boosts-profit-margin/
Anthem medical care ratio was 83.1% in 2014

Aetna medical-care ratio 83%
http://marketrealist.com/2015/03/star-ratings-increased-aetnas-government-sponsored-business-4q14/

So I'm not buying your 4% figure. These blood suckers are in this game to make serious money.

Now from that money, the insurers have to pay management mega-millions, salesmen, adjusters who screw consumers, billing staff and collectors, many lawyers, etc. A bunch of those dollars disappear with single payer because those functions are either not needed or needed substantially less or for a substantially more reasonable rate. Federal single payer becomes closer to a health provider verification and payment service who haggle deals to get better prices - no profit, much less administration and overhead. The consumer saves BIG on that.

Health insurance paperwork wastes $375 billion
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/01/13/health-insurance-paperwork-wastes-375-billion.html
The United States health-care system wastes an estimated $375 billion annually in billing and insurance-related paperwork that could be saved if the nation moved from a "multipayer" health coverage system to a "single-payer" system run by the government, a new study says.


That $375 billion doesn't cure a soul or do anything to improve medical outcomes. It's pure fat that costs each and every single American alive today about $1,179 per year or an American family of four $4,717 per year. It's stupid money down the inefficiency toilet that doesn't do nearly any one any good. It needs to go.

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Thanks for posting this, elleng Samantha Nov 2015 #1
Thanks, Sam, elleng Nov 2015 #2
And it still includes insurance firms profit for providing no real service daybranch Nov 2015 #3
Maybe you missed this part Andy823 Nov 2015 #6
Please address the point made kristopher Nov 2015 #29
doesn't medicare get funded hill2016 Nov 2015 #39
K&R!!! This is excellent! Nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #4
It has merit....though I don't think "industry support" should be the goal Armstead Nov 2015 #5
did you read the part where unitedhealth hill2016 Nov 2015 #12
Frankly, that is the point Armstead Nov 2015 #21
Thank you. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #27
Yes. ACA has been in place for such a short time, and rising rates are already squeezing GoneFishin Nov 2015 #33
the reason rates are rising is hill2016 Nov 2015 #40
Great argument MFrohike Nov 2015 #36
Thanks elleng Andy823 Nov 2015 #7
Single payer includes negotiating hospital, provider and drug prices. Problem solved n/t eridani Nov 2015 #8
nope hill2016 Nov 2015 #13
If you'd read any of the actual single payer bills on offer, you'd know that price negotiation-- eridani Nov 2015 #18
Existing "single payer" systems don't allow health care profiteers to run roughshod over consumers. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #28
Kick to the top Andy823 Nov 2015 #9
A stop gap solution - but we still need to working for single payer Matariki Nov 2015 #10
Excellent Post, EllenG! Aerows Nov 2015 #11
It is about protecting the status quo because doing so makes certain people rich. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #17
my only question hill2016 Nov 2015 #14
“Governor, you’re breaking the rules.” Crystalite Nov 2015 #15
Thanks and you're welcome, Crystalite. elleng Nov 2015 #19
As a physician I can say this is an interesting idea. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #16
Insurance companies...meh. Still, I would love to see Sanders and O'Malley actually just discuss Live and Learn Nov 2015 #20
This sounds more like price controls and rationing than rational. Also looks like a libertarian idea Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #22
kick to the top. nt Andy823 Nov 2015 #23
Kick nt Andy823 Nov 2015 #24
k&r bigtree Nov 2015 #25
To me, insurance companies add zero value to the vast majority of Americans Jarqui Nov 2015 #26
+100%! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #30
4%, not 25% Recursion Nov 2015 #37
there is a lot of administrative costs that would disappear hill2016 Nov 2015 #41
Really? Jarqui Nov 2015 #42
you said hill2016 Nov 2015 #44
From the study referenced Jarqui Nov 2015 #45
The 4% is straight from CMS; it's hard to argue with Recursion Nov 2015 #48
I've been talking about the trillion dollars private insurance handles and %s related to that Jarqui Nov 2015 #50
Well, actually, you were talking about the percent of all healthcare spending, until you saw Recursion Nov 2015 #51
Those are not my accurate positions you are responding to. Jarqui Nov 2015 #52
They spend less because *they regulate costs* Recursion Nov 2015 #53
Nope, I disagree. Not accurate. Jarqui Nov 2015 #54
actually hill2016 Nov 2015 #43
The potential "administrative savings" is unfortunately another unicorn, I think. Recursion Nov 2015 #49
From the article above House of Roberts Nov 2015 #31
As long as you have significant parties involved in the process (like private insurers) Jarqui Nov 2015 #46
Really interesting. Thanks ellen, for posting! n/t ms liberty Nov 2015 #32
You're welcome, ms liberty. elleng Nov 2015 #34
kick bigtree Nov 2015 #35
Health insurance should be a public utility. Private insurers are bloodsucking leeches. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #38
you do know that hill2016 Nov 2015 #47
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