2016 Postmortem

Bluenorthwest

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262. So you desire leeway and context given to you that you refuse to give to others. That's unethical.

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 06:07 PM

Dec 2015

The Democratic Party often needs criticism, those of you who do not are failing your duty to the Party. Bernie Sanders co-founded what is now the largest Democratic Caucus in the Congress and was it's first elected Chair. So you keep saying 'he dissed them'. But in truth he built a caucus with them, from day one, a vital caucus that is extremely useful to minority issues and other progressive initiatives. How is that a 'diss'? He gets elected, meets up with Maxine Waters, Peter DeFazio, Ron Dellums and a couple of others and creates a Democratic caucus with them, then they elect him to Chair the thing, this you call 'consistent dissing'. He votes with this Party, sometimes in error, such as his vote for the Crime Bill, which I opposed but the Party supported. People on DU currently despise that crime bill.

The Party that did DOMA needed to be dissed. The Party that did not pressure Reagan to take action on AIDS so they could play patsy cake with Tip and the Gipper needed to be dissed. I dissed this Party Harvey Milk's first campaign slogan was 'Harvey Milk vs The Machine' meaning the Democratic Party machine in SF. Harvey was running as a Democrat and a critic of the Party. Our Party was not doing the right things. It was late to the dance. The critics were in fact the best of the Democrats, which is very often the case.

I think all the extreme rhetoric is not helpful to anyone and I really dislike those who look at the world as it is and interfere with the sincere discussion of important choices.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] MaggieD Dec 2015 OP

I feel the same way about Hillary supporters Autumn Dec 2015 #1

Ok, thanks for the kick! MaggieD Dec 2015 #5

You're so welcome Maggie. Kicks help a lot. Autumn Dec 2015 #6

I know, right? MaggieD Dec 2015 #12

You betcha Autumn Dec 2015 #17

Who cares about the theatrics of her supporters? Hillary is the problem. Leading Dem. Neocon: leveymg Dec 2015 #123

Everyone should care about Sanders supporters theatrics. And yes, he's a problem. 2nd leading Dem: BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #210

"Signed, David Brock of CorruptTheRecord." AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #283

First off, it's BlueCaliDem, not David Brock. The info in my post is my own compilation BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #285

"Even neocons call Clinton a neocon." AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #286

Does nothing to take away from the proven fact that Sanders is a bona fide neocon, does it? BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #291

I suggest you make your theory an OP & run it up the flagpole. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #295

Thanks for your suggestion! BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #296

You shouldn't feel the same way about everyone. Agschmid Dec 2015 #44

Most of us are smart enough to realize that. Autumn Dec 2015 #67

Yes. Agschmid Dec 2015 #68

Broken record - yes!!! 840high Dec 2015 #204

I think there are SOME instances where supporters might thucythucy Dec 2015 #245

yup,so do I Autumn nt wendylaroux Dec 2015 #168

and Hillary supporters Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #2

Ok! MaggieD Dec 2015 #3

Which is why Hillary is pulling away... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #4

Yes, and loyal Dems are unlikely to vote for.... MaggieD Dec 2015 #7

Pardon me, but our party dissed US. Gregorian Dec 2015 #15

No they didn't MaggieD Dec 2015 #40

Glass�Steagall; the Iraq war votes; impeachment off the table. Gregorian Dec 2015 #62

Well we just disagree MaggieD Dec 2015 #76

I'm a Bernie supporter who doesn't look at it that way. I just want a better society. Gregorian Dec 2015 #240

How do you know that Sanders supporters like him because he's not a Dem? notadmblnd Dec 2015 #254

"you can't force your ideology onto a party" choie Dec 2015 #154

If it didn't win and give us a platform... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #195

"socialist party" Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #253

Purity AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #20

Correct - that's a huge problem with the extreme left MaggieD Dec 2015 #51

No you demand purity AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #120

She just won another super-delegate - Washington Governor, Jay Inslee! BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #223

This message was self-deleted by its author ESKD Dec 2015 #263

"loyal dems" Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #252

Not really. earthside Dec 2015 #142

Polls disagree with your assertions. seabeyond Dec 2015 #173

At best, DINOS PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #8

60% of Dems are DINOs MaggieD Dec 2015 #9

Not sure where you pull that from PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #13

Suuurrrre they are! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #10

As a Bernie supporter... Cornus Dec 2015 #11

Are you okay? MaggieD Dec 2015 #18

He is holding up a mirror for you! AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #24

I can look MaggieD Dec 2015 #52

but but but, I thought it was Bernies supporters that made you pick Hillary 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #63

No, I picked Hillary because she is the most qualified DEMOCRAT MaggieD Dec 2015 #78

It is a contradiction if you read the title of your post 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #115

Oh, I know the extreme left will always smear actual Democrats MaggieD Dec 2015 #125

well to be true 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #133

I get that you feel that way MaggieD Dec 2015 #152

no, really don't know much about socialism 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #161

The other day she was bragging about hating Sanders AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #91

I know, I've seen her around 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #95

Glad to see you read all my posts! MaggieD Dec 2015 #99

no, did you even read my post? 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #103

That's awesome - thank you! MaggieD Dec 2015 #105

NP n/t 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #118

I like both Bernie and Hillary. I'll figure out which one I will vote for as the RKP5637 Dec 2015 #14

I am not voting for Clinton in the primaries because she is the wrong candidate for all of us. ESKD Dec 2015 #16

I wish I could say the same MaggieD Dec 2015 #21

So you won't vote for Bernie if he is the nominee? ESKD Dec 2015 #27

Yea, he become one abut a month ago. leftofcool Dec 2015 #31

I don't consider him a Democrat - no. MaggieD Dec 2015 #41

Perhaps if you Hillary fans hadn't spent months insulting and mocking Bernie supporters Kentonio Dec 2015 #19

Oh, I think it's pretty clear where it started MaggieD Dec 2015 #23

Hypocrisy much? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #26

I like Skinner's statement that "This issue of Bernie's party affiliation is a nonissue. For all kath Dec 2015 #171

Maybe you should have read John Lewis' FB page leftofcool Dec 2015 #29

So a few assholes on the internet is cause for insulting large numbers of fellow DU'ers? Kentonio Dec 2015 #37

If it was only a few that would be fine MaggieD Dec 2015 #43

That was so hurtful and painful to see-and so many riversedge Dec 2015 #71

I cannot take that approach. I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. All I have to do still_one Dec 2015 #22

That's cool MaggieD Dec 2015 #28

I don't give a rat's ass 840high Dec 2015 #208

Are you merely blabbering, too? seabeyond Dec 2015 #212

I was fine with Bernie until what his supporters did to John Lewis leftofcool Dec 2015 #25

Yes, that and the attacks on AA really turned the tide for me MaggieD Dec 2015 #30

What are the odds that the majority of those who provided the ugly remarks were not even Democrats? still_one Dec 2015 #47

Who knows? They signed themselves as Bernie supporters leftofcool Dec 2015 #72

I wonder if 2naSalit Dec 2015 #184

Whatever. I think you're starting to understand the concern over Hillary, and you can't stand it... reformist2 Dec 2015 #32

Nah, I think she will win handily MaggieD Dec 2015 #48

This Citizen Regards HRC Supporters With The Same Level Of Contempt cantbeserious Dec 2015 #33

Sadly, you seem to be in the minority MaggieD Dec 2015 #129

Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Differently cantbeserious Dec 2015 #131

Hillary is the best candidate running for president. She has not spent time trashing the DNC, DWS, Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #34

This Citizen Understands That HRC Would Not Bite The Hand That Feeds Her cantbeserious Dec 2015 #46

This citizen understand Hillary has not trashed the DNC and is now running on the DNC ticket. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #101

This Citizen Recognizes That Some Are Blind To The Hollow Shell cantbeserious Dec 2015 #112

BYE Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #130

Glad To Speak With You - Have A Nice Day cantbeserious Dec 2015 #132

Quit reading GDP etherealtruth Dec 2015 #35

Bernie spent 25 years dissing Dems MaggieD Dec 2015 #55

You keep claiming that yet never offer examples AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #124

The examples have been posted here many times MaggieD Dec 2015 #128

So you have none AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #134

I just don't play fetch MaggieD Dec 2015 #140

Your the one making the claim AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #151

Are you really that uninformed? MaggieD Dec 2015 #163

None of which back your claim AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #167

Of course they do MaggieD Dec 2015 #178

If he really wanted to diss the Democrats zalinda Dec 2015 #188

He has no hope going it alone. He needed and needs the Democratic base and support system. seabeyond Dec 2015 #191

The Dem party heads have been in the tank for Hillary zalinda Dec 2015 #211

The majority of the Democratic base has supported Clinton from day one. Yes. She is that strong. seabeyond Dec 2015 #216

If the heads of the party has to zalinda Dec 2015 #227

Clinton's numbers haven't changed much. She is a strong candidate, the Democratic base recognizes. seabeyond Dec 2015 #230

The Democratic base is only about 33% zalinda Dec 2015 #257

Dissing Dems, or disagreeing with their policies? potone Dec 2015 #304

Flame bait Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #36

Hey, I'm just explaining how the tactics are backfiring MaggieD Dec 2015 #57

I think its being generous SwampG8r Dec 2015 #176

I don't think that attempted blackmail will work MaggieD Dec 2015 #180

I dont get what you mean SwampG8r Dec 2015 #215

I do not have to declare I wont vote Sanders. It is Clinton's primary. seabeyond Dec 2015 #38

They used the exact wrong tactics MaggieD Dec 2015 #104

Missteps in running this campaign at every point. I saw another just yesterday. If one can make a seabeyond Dec 2015 #114

That's exactly right MaggieD Dec 2015 #136

This is nonsensical. Kentonio Dec 2015 #279

A candidates supporters should have no impact on who you support. Agschmid Dec 2015 #39

That would be silly mythology Dec 2015 #42

I don't see it that way MaggieD Dec 2015 #50

You are not alone. There are many on the right that won't support Bernie. Broward Dec 2015 #45

And on the left MaggieD Dec 2015 #49

I'll vote for Bernie in the General. msrizzo Dec 2015 #53

I don't think I could handle having you on our team anyway. so stick with weathervane, please 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #54

And you can stick with the Not a Dem guy! MaggieD Dec 2015 #60

so it's not because of Bernies supporters after all? 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #66

+1000 nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #86

I could have held my nose MaggieD Dec 2015 #117

right his supporters made that happen 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #126

Love the guy you call Not a dem guy. 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #108

at least the "not a dem guy" 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #137

Clinton is in the top 15% as the most progressive Democrat. seabeyond Dec 2015 #149

then that kind of proves my other post on dems 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #162

No, it does not. It could also suggest that you are not talking about Clinton's actual seabeyond Dec 2015 #175

This Citizen Suspects That Some Truly Enjoy Twisting In The Wind cantbeserious Dec 2015 #77

some are able to do that easier than others. n/t 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #100

This Citizen Agrees - Some Are Truly Co-opted By The Cult Of Personality - Rudderless To The Core cantbeserious Dec 2015 #106

We all get our unique ways of posting. I get that. I certainly love my own style. But, seabeyond Dec 2015 #116

As The Citizen Said - We All Have Our Own Styles cantbeserious Dec 2015 #119

HAHA, and this is the EXACT attitude I saw here R B Garr Dec 2015 #238

wow, I can't believe anyone would choose their candidate on the supporters 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #264

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #56

Huh? MaggieD Dec 2015 #58

Thread winner. Agony Dec 2015 #81

How so? MaggieD Dec 2015 #141

Definitely kath Dec 2015 #153

Wow, that was a bad hide. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #217

We are getting a lot of bad hides lately if you've noticed. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #267

Don't let faux supporters sway you. joshcryer Dec 2015 #59

He has a long history of dissing Dems MaggieD Dec 2015 #64

He did not call for a primary. joshcryer Dec 2015 #69

He said it "would be a good idea" MaggieD Dec 2015 #156

And it was. joshcryer Dec 2015 #165

I have too fredamae Dec 2015 #90

No one is suggesting purity. The issue is actively working toward chaos and destruction of the party seabeyond Dec 2015 #96

Responses to those who criticize fredamae Dec 2015 #139

I think when a politician has a career stating the Democratic and Republican party are the same, seabeyond Dec 2015 #172

I'm caring less these days fredamae Dec 2015 #203

I think a lot of the discontentment is a lack of honesty of the reality we sit, seabeyond Dec 2015 #209

We can't Know the future fredamae Dec 2015 #219

We can know the now, though. Which is my point. seabeyond Dec 2015 #221

Ok, where is the harm? fredamae Dec 2015 #225

Why so much animosity? I have come to the conclusion seabeyond Dec 2015 #229

Can you please offer context? fredamae Dec 2015 #236

Hear, hear! Little Star Dec 2015 #270

Exactly MaggieD Dec 2015 #160

The Democratic Party says Bernie is a Democrat, Bernie says he is and our Primary started out with Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #111

Not true. He has spent his political career dissing the Democratic Party. Here are just a few. seabeyond Dec 2015 #82

He's a co-founder of the largest Democratic Caucus in the US Congress, the Progressive Caucus Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #143

First Blue, I will be the first to admit that my understanding of marriage equality was off in 2004. seabeyond Dec 2015 #181

So you desire leeway and context given to you that you refuse to give to others. That's unethical. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #262

So you desire leeway and context given to you that you refuse to give to others. That's unethical. seabeyond Dec 2015 #265

MOM is my candidate but if Bernie is the nominee I'll vote for him without reservation. PragmaticLiberal Dec 2015 #61

Bernie is not innocent in this MaggieD Dec 2015 #74

So if Bernie is the nominee One of the 99 Dec 2015 #65

What do you expect after someone has been terrorized by Bernie Bros. Bernie Bros = terrorists Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #70

Then you have no business voting for anyone anywhere... sibelian Dec 2015 #73

I'm interested in what the candidate stands for and will do Jarqui Dec 2015 #75

You're certainly welcome to your opinion MaggieD Dec 2015 #83

Ok, maybe things are becoming clearer: Jarqui Dec 2015 #192

And it continues. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #260

There is a lot of truth to what you say, Maggie D. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #79

I know a lot of people who feel the same MaggieD Dec 2015 #92

It's not so much ideology as their approach... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #110

My third graders had better decision-making abilities libdem4life Dec 2015 #80

You probably could have made your opinion known without... MaggieD Dec 2015 #85

OK. Second graders. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #189

Nope. They are called developmental stages of reasoning. libdem4life Dec 2015 #259

I imagine your students probably have better Skidmore Dec 2015 #289

Pathetic. nt Bonobo Dec 2015 #84

Makes sense. Both (radical-imo)sides agree with this. fredamae Dec 2015 #87

Only a true stooge would allow random others to control their actions. I don't judge any person by Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #88

I find it interesting that Clinton supporters issues with Bernie are his supporters, and Sanders hughee99 Dec 2015 #89

Then you have not been listening. Plenty of arguments have been made per Sanders positions. seabeyond Dec 2015 #94

Oh I disagree with him on his solution for every issue MaggieD Dec 2015 #97

So you disagre with him on his solution for EVERY issue, but you won't ever support him hughee99 Dec 2015 #145

If you have fundamental disagreements with Bernie LibDemAlways Dec 2015 #199

5 recs and 90 replies jkbRN Dec 2015 #93

Why do recs matter? MaggieD Dec 2015 #98

Rarely does one find such an illuminating post on DU. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #102

I know, right? MaggieD Dec 2015 #107

So, if a Hillary supporter hurts your feelings, are you going to switch to Trump? nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #122

Lol. So feeble, so easily influenced. morningfog Dec 2015 #109

I just ignore the angry and snobby stuff DFW Dec 2015 #113

That's incredibly stupid. Scuba Dec 2015 #121

Yes, I agree - the BS supporter tactics are incredibly stupid MaggieD Dec 2015 #147

Choosing (or rejecting) a candidate based on their supporter's actions is stupid. Period. Scuba Dec 2015 #159

At some point a tipping point is passed MaggieD Dec 2015 #169

What's wrong with smearing democrats who act like republicans? TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #127

What is wrong is being dishonest about our Democratic frontrunners record, and smearing her as a seabeyond Dec 2015 #187

She's not by today's standards, but TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #213

Hillary supporters are some of the biggest smearers on this site. liberalnarb Dec 2015 #135

More piercing insight from one of DUs most shining intellects. kath Dec 2015 #138

Thanks for the kick and compliment! MaggieD Dec 2015 #144

Our voting history is pretty much the same. But I've realized having been that kind of Democrat brewens Dec 2015 #146

Thank you for admitting your PUMA status. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #148

Sanders supporters has PUMA status hands down in this election 2016. I havent heard concern from you seabeyond Dec 2015 #190

I'm not concerned -- just glad to see the veil of deceit be removed. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #198

Yet no one will own the many PUMA's in the Sanders camp. 1 aikoaika. You got one. Good for you. seabeyond Dec 2015 #200

Oh I think more than a few Bernie supporters have owned their intention to not vote for HRC. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #206

More than a few Sanders supporters are PUMAs of 2016. Seems to be important to you, you brought it seabeyond Dec 2015 #220

Snotty little post. eom saltpoint Dec 2015 #150

Why isnt Bernie allowed to have disagreements with Democrats? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #155

Does that make you a "Purist"? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #157

Carter was primaried by an opponent on his left Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #158

Huh? yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #164

Also internet bloggers are kind of a pathetic reason not to vote for someone liberalnarb Dec 2015 #166

You don't have to worry because Bernie will NOT be the nominee. Guaranteed. Metric System Dec 2015 #170

Yes, I know MaggieD Dec 2015 #179

Awwwwwwwww shucks Armstead Dec 2015 #174

Makes sense... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #177

"But internet wide I have seen Bernie supporters smear Dems workinclasszero Dec 2015 #182

snap to attention! Step in line! Do as you are told!!!!LOYAL LAOYAL LOYAL bowens43 Dec 2015 #183

The return of the PUMAs right on schedule! It IS 2007 all over again!!! Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #185

So you will not support Sanders if he is the nominee. Fascinating. What will you do, then? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #186

ZOMG! Knock these stupid divisive posts out! You work on the Clinton Campaign--Post that too! nt TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #193

Love this OP! artislife Dec 2015 #194

Sure. A good sign. Painting Clinton's campaign as a coronation while she continues to strengthen seabeyond Dec 2015 #197

Keep posting! artislife Dec 2015 #201

She is not sinking, lol. Silliness. And to suggest there is an issue with her voting history, seabeyond Dec 2015 #205

Rah rah rah, Go team artislife Dec 2015 #214

Does this mean you have no argument? Rah, Rah? Really? seabeyond Dec 2015 #224

No it means all I see is rah, rah, rah. artislife Dec 2015 #228

All you have done is insult me, without addressing the political positions I have put forth. seabeyond Dec 2015 #231

Are you trying to bait me? buh bye....nt artislife Dec 2015 #239

You insult me every post, I call it out, and you talk about games. Bye, Art. seabeyond Dec 2015 #248

That's rather coherent Capt. Obvious Dec 2015 #290

I know right SwampG8r Dec 2015 #299

it's weird Capt. Obvious Dec 2015 #300

Me either SwampG8r Dec 2015 #303

Wake up Maggie I think I got something to say to you. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #196

LOL nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #235

Hillary supporters have nothing to do with why I won't support Hillary CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #202

Will you support Bernie if he is the nominee? Autumn Dec 2015 #207

It has always been about "Someone Else" or "Anyone But." yallerdawg Dec 2015 #218

You're living in a fantasy world if you haven't seen Bernie smeared by Hillary supporters. Vinca Dec 2015 #222

So, to use the Clinton argument, you would prefer a Republican to win and nominate SC justices? karynnj Dec 2015 #226

That's funny seriously funny Kalidurga Dec 2015 #232

You're not all peaches and cream yourself. tammywammy Dec 2015 #233

+1000 nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #234

Word azmom Dec 2015 #244

I think she represents Clinton PERFECTLY Scootaloo Dec 2015 #251

Vote for The Donald then Politicalboi Dec 2015 #237

Sorry, but this is a petty reason that makes no sense. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #241

Agreed Maggie. Post 238 has my reasons. R B Garr Dec 2015 #242

That's fine, we don't need your support to win. Chan790 Dec 2015 #243

I will support the Democratic Nominee no matter what Gothmog Dec 2015 #246

Actually you are one of the reasons I would never support Hillary coyote Dec 2015 #247

For the last time, have some dignity. azmom Dec 2015 #249

Sooo, then, if Bernie should win the primaries... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #250

You hurt my feelings, MaggieD. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #255

They certainly turn me off but I will vote for whoever wins the doc03 Dec 2015 #256

Two of them called me blind today. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #258

Do you think only Sanders supporters should get banned for saying they won't support the nominee rhett o rick Dec 2015 #268

I don't want people banned. If Skinner banned everyone who said this then we would be short... hrmjustin Dec 2015 #269

If we ban Progressives that say they won't support the nominee then we should also rhett o rick Dec 2015 #280

This, in spades. Beacool Dec 2015 #261

Here's my 1 1/2 cents underthematrix Dec 2015 #266

Bernie Supporters are the #1 reason I fucking SUPPORT Bernie. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #271

100 % agreed. K/R Sheepshank Dec 2015 #272

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #273

Gotta hand it to you, MaggieD Blue_In_AK Dec 2015 #274

I'll bet you'd like us to respond in kind TSIAS Dec 2015 #275

"Your tactics are backfiring, IMO" villager Dec 2015 #276

So you support a candidate based on how Mr. Sanders supporters akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #277

Don't care who you vote for Maggie Leftyforever Dec 2015 #278

... Agschmid Dec 2015 #281

I got A fundraisng email from Sanders Gloria Dec 2015 #282

I just don't care anymore Bradical79 Dec 2015 #284

Is this a PUMA threat? Little early for those, don't you think? Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #287

I generally find some Bernie supporters off-putting Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #288

Fascinating Capt. Obvious Dec 2015 #292

I can only hope you'll be ok by your 40th year of voting. I have never voted mindlessly for any.... dmosh42 Dec 2015 #293

I don't vote "mindlessly" MaggieD Dec 2015 #294

hmm... chervilant Dec 2015 #297

+1 for SwampG8r Dec 2015 #298

What if he wins the democratic nomination? RedCappedBandit Dec 2015 #301

Then you are just as wrong as the you know who's.... randys1 Dec 2015 #302

I wonder if you'll get the Manny treatment for admitting you won't for vote for him in the GE Heddi Dec 2015 #305