2016 Postmortem

rogerashton

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166. It's old.

Mon Dec 7, 2015, 12:59 PM

Dec 2015

I think the point of digging it up again is that the Clinton Foundation has accepted contributions SINCE the criminal charges occurred.

I'm not sure that is particularly terrible. Indeed, the accusation that Wyss' company engaged in gangsterism seems a little questionable to me. Testing a procedure on human subjects who have little to lose may not be such a terrible thing in itself -- but it is illegal, and the coverup makes it look much worse.

And is it wrong to accept contributions for a charitable cause from a felon?

Anyway, the right will use it against Clinton, and Democrats need to be aware of that -- especially pro-Hillary Dems -- and the right response is not to condemn the source (which does smell) but to consider the consequences.

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This is Just Not Good: Why Money And Politics Shouldn't Mix: Clinton Donor Charged With Murder [View all] berni_mccoy Dec 2015 OP

Wow! I think this one really has legs..... oasis Dec 2015 #1

So Murder by Wealthy Political Donors is a FUCKING JOKE to Hillary supporters...?!?! berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #4

Has nothing to do with the primary. upaloopa Dec 2015 #23

Guilt by association is a FUCKING JOKE. nt oasis Dec 2015 #28

Money in politics is not simply association berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #54

No. Trying to somehow implicate our Democratic front-runner in said murder IS. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #48

GOP is working day and night, here at DU and elsewhere, to convince people not to vote. randys1 Dec 2015 #134

You are SO correct. It's shameful that this RWNJ OP piece is allowed to stand after alert, by 4-3. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #145

The completely absurd deal is that a pro Hillary poster can be silenced as often as some randys1 Dec 2015 #148

Yes, I know that - and know it personally. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #158

I've seen more pro-Bernie posters silenced. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #162

That is ludicrous on the face of it. randys1 Dec 2015 #163

Oh please! You are in the majority here. We are not. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #165

No calling Hillary supporters "in the minority" is fucking outrageous. Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #103

Your trolling and failing miserably at it. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #107

Well one thing worked... Agschmid Dec 2015 #117

It pisses me off that so many of them were able to jump up and down over a site used to hrmjustin Dec 2015 #122

What is a joke is that this story was posted in a frivolous attempt to link Clinton.... George II Dec 2015 #123

Your use of a right wing nut site is noted MaggieD Dec 2015 #142

Seriously? Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #2

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #3

Yes, and cited by many people at DU. Anything wrong with the facts of the story? berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #5

For years DU has been a place that we could get away from folks screaming to dispute JTFrog Dec 2015 #8

Do you ever wonder why you can only find this at that source? Agschmid Dec 2015 #10

A quick search on this returns ONLY Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #35

Not shocked. Agschmid Dec 2015 #66

Well DU is half way there now. Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #106

Well great... Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #111

And now DU...DU is the LEADING internet site for Hillary hate and lies randys1 Dec 2015 #135

Res ipsa loquitur (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #11

Most articles UglyGreed Dec 2015 #13

+1 ESKD Dec 2015 #15

And as you can see UglyGreed Dec 2015 #82

That source was crap as is this one. Agschmid Dec 2015 #93

... SidDithers Dec 2015 #161

And every time you use or defend a right wing source, we know you better. JTFrog Dec 2015 #20

Did it I post it? UglyGreed Dec 2015 #25

You are defending the use of right wing sources... like the ones you have JTFrog Dec 2015 #26

No I gave an honest UglyGreed Dec 2015 #31

You could say that. JTFrog Dec 2015 #37

If your talking about UglyGreed Dec 2015 #46

I'm talking about the dispicable use of right wing sources on DU... JTFrog Dec 2015 #55

No..... UglyGreed Dec 2015 #59

For Your Situational Awareness. The Polack MSgt Dec 2015 #94

The alert of your post tells us a lot about who alerted. The GOP is HARD at work HERE at DU randys1 Dec 2015 #140

I think that posts should be hidden for "Slaughtering the Language". OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #78

I'll join treestar Dec 2015 #121

I only go to left-wing sites for articles. There's *plenty* there criticizing Hillary Clinton. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #60

observations UglyGreed Dec 2015 #74

Not twisting anything. Apparently you are. The OP's source comes solely from RWNJ sites BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #86

I just was pointing what I have seen UglyGreed Dec 2015 #89

If you're referring to MaggieD's OP, she cited Times Argus' article as the source BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #100

No you are UglyGreed Dec 2015 #105

Fact remains, you haven't condemned it, so it can only mean you approve of it. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #110

I did not even UglyGreed Dec 2015 #118

Ahhh...so you decry name-calling by name-calling? And you don't even see the irony in that?? BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #127

Just UglyGreed Dec 2015 #133

And...you still haven't condemned the OP. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #146

Keep on kicking this thread UglyGreed Dec 2015 #149

And...still haven't condemned the OP. Window of opportunity has passed. Despite your rhetoric, BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #153

Sorry but you don't UglyGreed Dec 2015 #157

No, you don't now, but you did. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #159

. UglyGreed Dec 2015 #160

It seems that, in this case... OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #174

Oh my lord UglyGreed Dec 2015 #176

I didn't attempt to read your mind. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #183

Deep UglyGreed Dec 2015 #184

You remind me of the insane proposition that there is a liberal media LOLOLOLOLOL randys1 Dec 2015 #143

Well, that IS an insane proposition, but I was referring to left-wing online sites, like BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #164

Could it be that most of the anti Hillary crap is... Agschmid Dec 2015 #92

Could it be UglyGreed Dec 2015 #99

If you can't see the difference between "cristicsm" and blatant RW propos thats on you. Agschmid Dec 2015 #116

It's misleading firebrand80 Dec 2015 #18

Some folks won't let the facts get in the way of a good attack. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #24

The Daily Caller has also published okasha Dec 2015 #199

This message was self-deleted by its author ESKD Dec 2015 #12

Another reich wing hit piece? workinclasszero Dec 2015 #6

As long as you are part of the in group you can do what you want. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #14

Sad but true workinclasszero Dec 2015 #21

But I will go down with my boots on, fighting the good fight, you, compadre? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #27

Yes indeed! workinclasszero Dec 2015 #30

We should have this board all to ourselves any way pretty soon. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #33

I figure a change is going to happen at DU workinclasszero Dec 2015 #39

A change is gonna come DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #43

Love that song workinclasszero Dec 2015 #53

For old times' sake DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #63

Yes, somehow this will affect Hillary's campaign. Beacool Dec 2015 #180

Daily Fucking Caller. Agschmid Dec 2015 #7

Better believe it!...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #9

This is not a murder charge firebrand80 Dec 2015 #16

Unindicted war criminal Dick Cheney approves this post! workinclasszero Dec 2015 #17

3-4 Leave. Agschmid Dec 2015 #19

I am not surprised...Principles don't matter here ... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #22

It's fascinating after all the Sturm und Drang these past few days. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #88

Anybody surprised? workinclasszero Dec 2015 #62

I don't have the results, I alerted and got that it survived. Agschmid Dec 2015 #65

Right workinclasszero Dec 2015 #84

Imagine that... SidDithers Dec 2015 #67

Yup, poof. Agschmid Dec 2015 #75

BS has supporters here who are Canadian.. are they told to STFU, too? Cha Dec 2015 #203

I'm waiting for all the Bernie supporter outrage about right wing links MaggieD Dec 2015 #29

I was lectured for citing a Gravis Poll...Some people couldn't be more transparent. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #32

No one should links to RW sites it doesn't matter who you are or even which candidate you support. Agschmid Dec 2015 #36

I just wanted to get them on record MaggieD Dec 2015 #41

I would not have posted that, not cite that source. Agschmid Dec 2015 #52

LOL! How else to get the to decry right wing sites? MaggieD Dec 2015 #72

I don't need them to decry anything. Agschmid Dec 2015 #79

I do MaggieD Dec 2015 #81

So that was one great planned out trolling OP? morningfog Dec 2015 #139

It was a hypocrisy check MaggieD Dec 2015 #144

I didn't post in your trolling thread either. morningfog Dec 2015 #171

That is such a laugh. You defended your source to the death, until merrily Dec 2015 #96

Nah, I never defended the source MaggieD Dec 2015 #101

I doubt anyone reading the two threads and noting the times of the various posts merrily Dec 2015 #113

Well that's because you... MaggieD Dec 2015 #131

So agree. Cha Dec 2015 #204

Because people like you post from RW sources, this is now allowed here... don't you like... berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #44

Do you like the bed you are making? hrmjustin Dec 2015 #47

It was made long before this post by Hillary fans berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #50

Nice way to excuse your actions and ypur answer is pure bull. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #56

He said she said but that's the way it is berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #61

More excuses from you for trolling this board with right wing trash. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #70

Careful they are trying to get you back into timeoutland. Rex Dec 2015 #188

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #51

Indeed. That was a horrible hide. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #57

Desperation tends to cloud some people's judgment. eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #80

Indubitably DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #87

#thesystemhereisrigged MaggieD Dec 2015 #198

You jumped right in it. Agschmid Dec 2015 #49

Not much choice berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #71

As of this past Friday you were the one Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #141

Yeah, and what bullshit from RW sources was posted here since then by Hillary fans... berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #147

This argument... Agschmid Dec 2015 #152

I would ask you kindly to not refer to my Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #154

You have all the choice in the world. Agschmid Dec 2015 #150

Baloney - you love your right wing links MaggieD Dec 2015 #156

Where are the people who complained about progressivetoday being used. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #34

Well at least we have them on record! MaggieD Dec 2015 #38

462 post thread over your source and none of them can complain about this site. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #40

IOKIYABS MaggieD Dec 2015 #45

Nor the one from yesterday citing BEN fucking SHAPIRO: OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #95

Interesting how they tell us to look at our behavior but they refuse to look at their own. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #98

I wish it were interesting. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #112

They are probably busy posting at redstate or freakrepublic workinclasszero Dec 2015 #73

Yep! Trolls be trolling. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #76

Recing because this stuff happens every damn day. nc4bo Dec 2015 #42

Because what better way to shed light on shoddy medical trials then by libeling the Clintons. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #68

+1 - beat me to it. Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #77

Humans have an uncanny ability to rationalize anything...See the Milgram experiment. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #85

The terrible awful thing is, associations similar to this one nc4bo Dec 2015 #114

Desperation. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #64

When donations were accepted by the Clinton Foundation and CAP, he was in good standing karynnj Dec 2015 #69

"Barack Obama, Wife Beater" NCTraveler Dec 2015 #83

OMG - LOL Lilith Rising Dec 2015 #97

Is there a competition I'm not aware of? NCTraveler Dec 2015 #90

13 Rec's of right wing crap. Agschmid Dec 2015 #91

In some lower region of hell workinclasszero Dec 2015 #108

You recommended Maggie's thread and it linked to a racist website, so you're no better. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #208

Love that you gave this one a reccomend. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #102

The op is a hypocrite. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #104

Just delete it don't let them hide you. Agschmid Dec 2015 #120

And you recommended Maggie's thread when she linked to a racist tea party website. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #207

Oops. This isn't my op. Lol NCTraveler Dec 2015 #212

It pretty bad here when you have to go visit asshole Tucker's site for dirt... Historic NY Dec 2015 #109

not charged with murder, innocent until proven guilty treestar Dec 2015 #115

Annoying details, take your facts somewhere else! George II Dec 2015 #128

This is a disgusting and hopefully failed attempt to smear Clinton because a Clinton Foundation..... George II Dec 2015 #119

Oh it will only get lower. Trolls will troll. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #125

Source aside this is 150 degrees of seperation. Doesn't reflect on Clinton. Armstead Dec 2015 #124

That's Rich! merrily Dec 2015 #126

I can only assume by that you mean... Agschmid Dec 2015 #130

So, no sense of humor at all? Pity. merrily Dec 2015 #167

Well I guess it's better than your usual "BOOM". Agschmid Dec 2015 #168

BOOM! gives you agita? Oh, my. merrily Dec 2015 #170

NO. Agschmid Dec 2015 #172

Hypocrisy gives you agita? LOL! And the Sanders Group misses you. merrily Dec 2015 #189

It's not hypocritical to change who you support. Agschmid Dec 2015 #190

As you know, I personally don't believe you changed and I never called you a shill. merrily Dec 2015 #192

The shill comment was just banter... I have yet to see that from you specifically. Agschmid Dec 2015 #193

Your posts spoke volumes, long before you announced your, um, change of heart. merrily Dec 2015 #195

The fact is I don't hate on people who might need to win a GE, that's the fact. Agschmid Dec 2015 #196

I don't hate. That's your imagination, not my words. merrily Dec 2015 #197

What happened to your aversion to right wing sites? MaggieD Dec 2015 #138

For whatever this is worth -- rogerashton Dec 2015 #129

I did Ctrl+F "Clinton", it wasn't found in that source. Agschmid Dec 2015 #132

It's old. rogerashton Dec 2015 #166

Once again carrying water for the GOP leftofcool Dec 2015 #136

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #137

The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Dec 2015 #151

This one will not get traction, we should be more worried about the gun issues Sanders has voted. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #155

And their deaths are on the hands of Politicians who accept mega donations from SuperPACs... berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #169

Yes when NRA donates $18,000 to defeat your opponent then you vote the NRA way, lots of Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #173

Yeah, she only takes money from Wealthy Conservatives, Anti-Muslim and Anti-Environmental Tycoons berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #175

Gun violence continues, congressional members do not have what it takes to stand up to NRA. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #177

Guilt by Association? MineralMan Dec 2015 #178

The Clinton Foundation does wonderful work around the world. Beacool Dec 2015 #179

Daily Caller now, huh? Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #181

Going from 2008 "palling around with terrorists" to 2016 "palling around with murderers" Jarqui Dec 2015 #182

Well, this is a new low for DU. zappaman Dec 2015 #185

Actually the low point was hit here berni_mccoy Dec 2015 #187

"Daily Caller a step up" Agschmid Dec 2015 #194

Tucker Carlson lives on DU! Cha Dec 2015 #205

You rec'd Maggie's thread which linked to a racist tea party website so you're no better. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #206

Yep, good ol tucker. Cha Dec 2015 #209

Unrec for source. demmiblue Dec 2015 #186

Yup, +1 for sanity. Agschmid Dec 2015 #191

A very rich donor. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #200

Just how fuckin' low are we allowing on DU these days? Wowsers. seabeyond Dec 2015 #201

Your source is as bad as Maggie's, both of you should have deleted your links. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #202

You just proved MaggieD correct with this post..... msanthrope Dec 2015 #210

Both linked to right wing sources, both are guilty of putting money in their pockets. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #211