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Bubzer

(4,211 posts) Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:11 PM Dec 2015

Bernie Sanders Has Stuck To The Same Message For 40 Years. hillary?...not so much. [View all]

There are many ways to describe Bernie Sanders: a democratic socialist, an independent senator, a Democratic presidential candidate. But the best adjective may just be: consistent. No matter how you label it, Sanders' worldview is locked in.

Over 40 years, Sanders has built his political career on a very focused message about what he calls a "rigged economy."

Now he's running for president, which typically means reacting to what's happening in the world, in real time. But even in the wake of terrorist attacks by ISIS, Sanders' primary focus is still where it's been since the 1970s.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/11/459231940/bernie-sanders-has-stuck-to-the-same-message-for-40-years

By contrast, hillary is a leaf flitting around in the wind.

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Bernie Sanders Has Stuck To The Same Message For 40 Years. hillary?...not so much. [View all] Bubzer Dec 2015 OP

On guns? nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #1

Hillary Clinton on the eve of the PA primary 2008 UglyGreed Dec 2015 #8

+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #11

Hillary IS correct on this position: bvar22 Dec 2015 #21

Yup but Bernie was UglyGreed Dec 2015 #22

Yeah. I know. bvar22 Dec 2015 #23

Its smart to change position with new information:Times change lewebley3 Dec 2015 #45

Here you go, I fixed it for you. Bubzer Dec 2015 #51

If Hillary was serving herself: She would not be a Dem lewebley3 Dec 2015 #65

A label doesn't make you a dem. Actions do... and on that scale, she's a conservative. Bubzer Dec 2015 #66

Hillary's Dem loyalty over 30 years: cannot be called a label: her work is on the table lewebley3 Dec 2015 #87

You're right... her work is on the table. Her work in supporting the TPP, and working with banks. Bubzer Dec 2015 #88

Obama is for TTP: Hillary is not: The Unions are backing Hillary: lewebley3 Dec 2015 #89

She called it the 'Gold standard' AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #97

And voiced support for it 45 times! Bubzer Dec 2015 #102

Maybe it was when she looked at it: TTP has been worked on for years lewebley3 Dec 2015 #106

oy vey Phlem Dec 2015 #101

Hillary values of serving the country the best she can never changes. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #67

Hillary's not wishy washy about being a Dem: lewebley3 Dec 2015 #69

will sign almost anything the Dem's can get the votes for. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #77

If Dem's have the votes: they have popular support for whatever they are doing lewebley3 Dec 2015 #86

LMAO! stevenleser Dec 2015 #99

Much could be said about sticking to the same message liberal N proud Dec 2015 #2

He's right on the issues, is another...and is the best of the bunch. Bubzer Dec 2015 #5

Sanders can take positions for a long time: He is rep only lewebley3 Dec 2015 #48

Probably still uses a Texas Instruments calculator. George II Dec 2015 #18

TI is STILL the standard for high-end graphing calculators. Bubzer Dec 2015 #34

I think I am, so that's a matter of opinion. Thank you. George II Dec 2015 #46

I am thinking sliderule liberal N proud Dec 2015 #44

This is the guy who is making good use of the latest Internet applications and social media Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #98

I'm good with the slide rule analogy. Bubzer Dec 2015 #103

Robert Goddard might have used a slide rule Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #107

sticking with his values is another daybranch Dec 2015 #20

His stances reflect his values. Good values do not need to be changed. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #64

The world evolves, we must also evolve liberal N proud Dec 2015 #68

Basic values like honesty, fairness, sharing, families, the basic values we all share JDPriestly Dec 2015 #70

Yes, we all know his message by heart now. KMOD Dec 2015 #3

narrow my butt Robbins Dec 2015 #4

Exactly! +1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #7

Bernie is a tireless advocate and he does focus on one thing. If he cant be prez, he would randys1 Dec 2015 #27

He is a powerful voice in the Senate, KMOD Dec 2015 #63

Any of us old enough most likely has been upaloopa Dec 2015 #6

Evolve is just another word for political expediency and lack of good judgment. Bubzer Dec 2015 #10

No it is not. upaloopa Dec 2015 #13

Sorry to disapoint, but it means exactly what I said it means in this context. Bubzer Dec 2015 #15

Your not disappointing me at all upaloopa Dec 2015 #16

Well, Bernie does have the moral high ground, particularly in contrast to hillary. Bubzer Dec 2015 #17

Like I said I don't put any stock in what Bernie supporters upaloopa Dec 2015 #29

It may be YOUR place to wait. I'll determine what my place is. Bubzer Dec 2015 #38

We Bernie people do feel we are on high ground daybranch Dec 2015 #19

Please go tell somebody who cares upaloopa Dec 2015 #30

Well said. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #61

+1 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #32

Every time Clinton has "evolved," her position moves towards one already held by Sanders Scootaloo Dec 2015 #76

Someone please post the H Weathervane gif - it is so totally appropriate for her. kath Dec 2015 #9

If you believe in evolution cosmicone Dec 2015 #12

You dont quite understand how evolution works. Many creatures evolve...Most of them don't survive. Bubzer Dec 2015 #25

Thanks for helping me understand evolution cosmicone Dec 2015 #31

You're welcome! Bubzer Dec 2015 #39

I am 68 years old now and comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #14

So what issues would you suggest Sen Sanders needs to change on? frylock Dec 2015 #26

Oh, so you're running for office? No? Then I guess you dont need to be held to that higher standard. Bubzer Dec 2015 #40

I think it's good for leaders to be adaptable, not comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #83

Oh I like a willingness to compromise and be adaptable. If I didn't, I wouldn't like Bernie. Bubzer Dec 2015 #85

Me too, 68yo. And yes I also "triangulate" to find the optimal solution erronis Dec 2015 #49

2015-2012 = 3 MisterP Dec 2015 #82

I'm very impressed with your ability to do comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #104

3 is less than 40 MisterP Dec 2015 #105

Aww SHIT, I was gonna do a thread about this Bernie story but WITHOUT THE SNARK randys1 Dec 2015 #24

I regret nothing. The snark is well deserved. Bubzer Dec 2015 #41

Hillary is fast on her feet, Sanders not so much, sort of stuck in cement and unable to move from Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #28

But mostly, we need a president that can work with others ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #35

Very well said, thanks. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #37

As I have said, before ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #47

No clue where your assumptions come from. merrily Dec 2015 #57

I have told you, numerous times, I don't support HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #74

Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with your post 35 or my reply 57 to your 35. merrily Dec 2015 #75

You have a short and selective memory. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #81

Au contraire, but it's your replies to me that have been very selective. merrily Dec 2015 #84

I remember 1Strong! s statements to that effect quite clearly. okasha Dec 2015 #90

Really? You remember his telling me that many times? Because that is his claim, telling me merrily Dec 2015 #91

Really, I remember. okasha Dec 2015 #92

So, you don't remember his telling me once, let alone many times. I didn't think so. merrily Dec 2015 #94

nonsense ibegurpard Dec 2015 #33

/\/\This/\/\ 99Forever Dec 2015 #42

Sure. Consistently a flip-flopper. Bubzer Dec 2015 #43

Ding Ding Ding! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #53

K&R nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #36

Thank goodness everyone doesn't stick to the same message for 40 years ... LannyDeVaney Dec 2015 #50

Thank goodness SOMONE sticks to the same message for 40 years, when its right! Bubzer Dec 2015 #55

I really hope she doesn't get elected. optimist.spencer Dec 2015 #52

Bernie is so last Tuesday HassleCat Dec 2015 #54

+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #62

K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #56

I thought she was opposed to gay marriage until 2013 xynthee Dec 2015 #58

K & R AzDar Dec 2015 #59

What kind of President would Hillary be? PoliticalMalcontent Dec 2015 #60

A weathervane - a poll-driven disaster. reformist2 Dec 2015 #71

If she becomes president there's nothing binding her to polls (except re-election). PoliticalMalcontent Dec 2015 #72

But he never bothered running for President before R B Garr Dec 2015 #73

Not everyone has the desire or ego to want to run for President. Bernie didn't want to be President. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #78

So his desire to be President has EVOLVED. R B Garr Dec 2015 #79

Not at all. He feels he has no choice. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #80

lol moobu2 Dec 2015 #93

Great post! Definitely Bookmarking! in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #95

kick! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #96

Not changing positions in 40 years makes one an anachronism in my book. stevenleser Dec 2015 #100