2016 Postmortem

ismnotwasm

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127. Here's an easy graphic of the direction the agreement took

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:11 AM

Dec 2015

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It was a delicate series of negotiations. Some of the major blocks had to do with trade of course. And getting 196 countries to sign an agreement is a huge accomplishment. It's a very decent framework for action.

FWIW, while I get what Sanders was trying to say, it was to say the least, a poorly phrased criticism, quite concerning actually, considering he has a possible future as POTUS. If elected, this is the framework the next POTUS has to work with. To build on. It will be an on-going process, as is clear in the agreement.

Fot those who, you know, would actually like to read it, here is a link

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/cop21/eng/l09.pdf

The language is non-binding in many areas which is I'm guessing people what have a problem with, rather than see it as a positive direction, they would prefer a set of agreements--involving a couple hundred nations-- with teeth. This is problematic, as is clear in the body of the agreement. There is relative climate of the nations, as well as relative income--which is why an agreement was made to financially assist developing nations for instance.

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Bernie "isn't impressed" by the climate change agreement signed by almost 200 countries. [View all] pnwmom Dec 2015 OP

K&R mwrguy Dec 2015 #1

Here's Bernie's press release senz Dec 2015 #45

Exactly. He didn't say "a goddamn thing about Obama." Like, for instance, pnwmom Dec 2015 #61

Oh I'd imagine he thanked him directly. senz Dec 2015 #87

We agree on the agreement then. The situation was so precarious but pnwmom Dec 2015 #91

I think it's a turning point. senz Dec 2015 #99

Flawed? What do you mean flawed? Hell, Obama put a HALT to climate change! Scuba Dec 2015 #123

Well, he made India, China, and Saudi Arabia happy, so that's another plus... progree Dec 2015 #135

Oh, India says Paris climate deal won't affect plans to double coal output, Reuters 12/14/15 progree Dec 2015 #136

Feh. Bernie's right. It doesn't go far enough. theislander Dec 2015 #2

You think he could have huffed and puffed till almost 200 countries did what he wanted? pnwmom Dec 2015 #3

Never mind a Congress full of recalcitrant Republicans, who would just LOOOVE to MADem Dec 2015 #29

Yup, the wing nuts and Bernie supporters are agreed. Obama just wasted his time. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #30

Not saying Obama/Kerry wasted their time... tex-wyo-dem Dec 2015 #41

When was the last time 200 countries agreed on something that would require sacrifice now pnwmom Dec 2015 #44

What sacrifices were agreed on at Paris? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #105

Ending reliance on fossil fuels. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #107

Ah, no, agreeing that something needs to be done isn't a sacrifice. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #109

They agreed to make the sacrifice. Now it is up to us to pressure pnwmom Dec 2015 #110

I'm not saying it's not a step forward... tex-wyo-dem Dec 2015 #138

Stating an opinion isn't huff and puff AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #118

Making the case and getting everybody else to agree are different things. yardwork Dec 2015 #125

'Hillary, who actually has experience dealing with foreign leaders, IS impressed.' beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #4

^^^ This ^^^ - Funny How Those Facts Have Become So Forgotten cantbeserious Dec 2015 #6

I guess Bernie is supposed to go along to get along. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #8

This Citizen Believes That All US Political Institutions Are Rotten To the Core cantbeserious Dec 2015 #10

+1000 senz Dec 2015 #40

Bernie Is Correct - Window Dressing Agreement - Declare Success - Continue On With Business As Usual cantbeserious Dec 2015 #5

No. It's getting almost all the countries of the world to read from the same book pnwmom Dec 2015 #9

This Citizen Believes That Is Wishful Thinking At Best cantbeserious Dec 2015 #11

Greenpeace put out a positive statement. I guess they're just wishful thinkers, too. pnwmom Dec 2015 #14

Did you even bother to read the article? Greenpeace is critical of the deal too: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #18

Ooopsie Armstead Dec 2015 #129

LOL. Why does Bernie feel the need to shit on absolutely everything? Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #7

Because that's what he does best. Cha Dec 2015 #22

.. Cha Dec 2015 #46

Because that's what doomsdayers usually do. leftofcool Dec 2015 #122

Master of whine, complain, groan and kvetch cosmicone Dec 2015 #132

Because Sanders is an Ideologue preaching to his choir KittyWampus Dec 2015 #139

An all or nothing kinda guy. More than double the minimum wage seabeyond Dec 2015 #12

Stating it's not good enough when it's not good enough is a a good thing. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #15

Obama gets progression forward and three decades Sanders sits in the same spot. Not so good seabeyond Dec 2015 #17

You didn't answer my question, what did Bernie set aside? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #20

Grumpy Cat. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #13

A picture of Bernie Sanders from earlier today: Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #16

Snerk. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #31

LOL - sure beats a phony grin. senz Dec 2015 #56

The most popular cat in the world. Kalidurga Dec 2015 #126

Hilariously both canidates agreed that it's a step forward... Lancero Dec 2015 #19

The headline writers agree that Hillary's response about how much was accomplished pnwmom Dec 2015 #23

I would, if they sniped at him for his brunt honesty. Lancero Dec 2015 #27

No, they adore him for his "brunt honesty." Even though it just makes him sound pnwmom Dec 2015 #28

So, because something is hard to do... Lancero Dec 2015 #34

How do you draw that conclusion from what I've said? pnwmom Dec 2015 #35

Agreed, the posts on this board get more absurd by the day. Broward Dec 2015 #24

Do you feel the same way about the OP pnwmom Dec 2015 #25

Because it's only treasonous when Bernie does it. Didn't you get the memo? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #26

Agree. This cherry-picking of quotes here and there to change the context has become the norm Turn CO Blue Dec 2015 #102

Letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is bad tactics mythology Dec 2015 #21

I agree with Bernie. Duppers Dec 2015 #32

Greenpeace had a more positive take on it than Bernie. pnwmom Dec 2015 #36

It's wonderful place to start.. thanks to President Obama, SOS Kerry and all the Leaders in Cha Dec 2015 #33

What's there to be impressed about, exactly? Tell me pnwmom, because i'm not seeing much Scootaloo Dec 2015 #37

I don't expect Obama-denigrators to ever be impressed with anything he does. pnwmom Dec 2015 #38

Is there anything of substance to the agreement? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #39

Greenpeace says there is. pnwmom Dec 2015 #42

Did you mean to link a different article? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #49

Obama wouldn't disagree with what Greenpeace said. pnwmom Dec 2015 #53

Can you quote Sanders saying he would have done significantly better, please? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #55

That was the clear implication, since he didn't have a word of praise for Obama. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #57

So you're making it up. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #59

No, I'm asking where is the acknowledgment and praise that the President deserves? pnwmom Dec 2015 #62

Again, did you read what you posted? He acknowledged it as a step forward Scootaloo Dec 2015 #67

He had a grudging acknowledgment that it was a step forward without a word of pnwmom Dec 2015 #76

What of significance was agreed upon? tell me Scootaloo Dec 2015 #82

Asked and answered. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #84

I don't think it was. Please, tell me Scootaloo Dec 2015 #88

He doesn't say anything about not being "impressed." senz Dec 2015 #43

He didn't say anything in praise of Obama's accomplishment, did he? pnwmom Dec 2015 #47

He called it a step forward, actually. You actually posted the quote Scootaloo Dec 2015 #51

He doesn't say anything about Obama -- and this agreement would never have pnwmom Dec 2015 #65

You've now moved your goalposts four times Scootaloo Dec 2015 #68

Who fucking cares? ibegurpard Dec 2015 #63

Thank you. A little perspective please. jhart3333 Dec 2015 #70

The public is more likely to support it if the Dems are completely unified in how they present it. pnwmom Dec 2015 #71

It's not about whether Obama was dissed or not. jhart3333 Dec 2015 #83

And presenting this positively will increase the chance of the public accepting it. And we need pnwmom Dec 2015 #85

Marketing? Marketing will save the world? Really? jhart3333 Dec 2015 #89

Marketing alone won't save the world but it CAN change minds and shift opinion. pnwmom Dec 2015 #93

If marketing is what we need then we're screwed. jhart3333 Dec 2015 #96

Greenpeace refuses to be defeatist about this. We shouldn't either. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #97

if I may ask, pnwmom... how old are you? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #103

I am 63. I have no children but I have nieces and nephews and they have children. jhart3333 Dec 2015 #112

You understand that there's nothing binding in Paris, don't you? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #90

Yes he did. He said it was a step forward. That is praise. senz Dec 2015 #69

Exactly, senz, it's right there in the op: 'While this is a step forward'. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #50

And, sadly, too many people do the reverse -- senz Dec 2015 #72

Bernie's TOO HONEST. Damn him for speaking up for the environnment! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #80

There's always room for improvement, but I doubt That Sanders would have gotten a better deal. Beacool Dec 2015 #48

Treaties are binding laws. This was not a treaty, it was an "agreement" Scootaloo Dec 2015 #52

OK, now tell me how Sanders would have done a better job. Beacool Dec 2015 #58

Who - aside from pnwmom - is saying he would have? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #60

I never said Bernie would have done a better job. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #73

You were claiming he said it. And then that he "implied" it. And then that you inferred it. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #86

Greenpeace has a much more positive take on it. They say it's a step forward and they're not pnwmom Dec 2015 #64

LMAO! Bernie said the EXACT SAME thing - you even copied and pasted it into the op! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #66

Yep, we have to put people before profits. senz Dec 2015 #95

And unfortunately it seems many so-called "Progressives" are just celebrity chasers Scootaloo Dec 2015 #98

Yep. They take their eyes off the ball too easily. senz Dec 2015 #104

Hidden within in the agreement is the acceptance that we are going to run the 2c experiment. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #140

Why are you so bitter? Nyan Dec 2015 #54

The same article was posted in another group, pnwmom Dec 2015 #75

It is possible that some of us identify more closely senz Dec 2015 #92

It is possible that some of us don't think getting change accomplished in 200 countries at once pnwmom Dec 2015 #94

I think so, too. senz Dec 2015 #101

Why couldn't he just announce, "Mission Accomplished - Globally warming is now solved!!" Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #74

Why couldn't he have said "Thank you, Mr. President for all your hard work. Now let's move forward." pnwmom Dec 2015 #78

I don't think every single speech has to open with fawning praise of the Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #100

Well, I am completely unimpressed with Bernie ... NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #77

Remember this bullshit? melman Dec 2015 #79

This thread is so full of nonsense. Ron Green Dec 2015 #81

For some reason, a supporter of his put up this same article, with the headline pnwmom Dec 2015 #108

I didn't see that post; I get it now - it's not about the weak climate document (issues), Ron Green Dec 2015 #141

Exactly. It's all partisan pie-fights all the time, and they're going to argue Turn CO Blue Dec 2015 #113

First Sanders wants Obama primaried, now he does not even have the grace to thank riversedge Dec 2015 #106

What are climate scientists saying? Because that is 1000 times more relevant. Turn CO Blue Dec 2015 #111

The NYTimes wrote an article about this today. pnwmom Dec 2015 #114

Well, some of the climate scientists agree with Bernie. longship Dec 2015 #115

So is optimism BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #124

Are you saying it goes far enough? Really? jfern Dec 2015 #116

No. Is the person who posted the same article pnwmom Dec 2015 #117

You are the one attacking Bernie. jfern Dec 2015 #119

I contrasted his reaction to that of the other two candidates. pnwmom Dec 2015 #120

Appears Obama really is playing 3D Chess. Tag the climate agreement onto TPP, and there Hoyt Dec 2015 #121

So your claim is we're going to renegotiate the TPP to include climate change? jeff47 Dec 2015 #137

Sorry you misunderstood. This climate agreement is where the detailed aspects should reside. Hoyt Dec 2015 #142

Here's an easy graphic of the direction the agreement took ismnotwasm Dec 2015 #127

One word, "non-binding." lonestarnot Dec 2015 #128

Good enough. Let's move on and feel good about ourselves, as we kill the planet Armstead Dec 2015 #130

Bernie is not impressed by anything except a 90% income tax n/t cosmicone Dec 2015 #131

So tired of Bernie's contrarian bullshit! R B Garr Dec 2015 #133

Of course president Bernie will usher in world peace... workinclasszero Dec 2015 #134