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angrychair

(12,289 posts)
25. Your reply is hardly unbiased
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:21 PM
Dec 2015

First, please stop calling them "data logs" because they are not. What everyone keeps calling "data logs" is a human created document that is, at best, an executive summary of a certain chain of events, they are not computer-generated event logs like a transaction log from an SQL database or an application event log generated from a Windows PC. Data logs would be meaningless to most people, unless you are an IT professional and have experience in the system they come from, they are nothing but gibberish. I would want the raw, system-generated, logs to be analyzed by an independent auditing firm by an actual IT professional with experience with VoteBuilder, before I am willing to commit to what did and did not happen. To be fair, log information is often very limited and sometimes downright ambiguous about events. I know, I've been looking at log files from all kinds of systems and applications for over 20 years and rarely are all the answers in them.

Second, you first state that the Sanders campaign couldn't have got the information on accident, which I agree with and actually so does the Sanders campaign, then say later on that the Clinton campaign could have in The 2008 event, cannot have it both ways.

Lastly, your explanation is right on some points (no data was removed or saved in folders, other than within the VoteBuilder software itself). Guessing, if not downright arguemenative, in other places.

Leave what actually happened to whatever independent firm examines the records.
To head off any flamming, I am not saying that things could not have been handled better on the Sanders side.

I am saying that mistakes are not a conspiracy.
That the DNC acted unprofessional and violated their contract.
That the Clinton campaign knew, by the time they went screaming to the press, that no actual data, voter list, had been removed from the VoteBuilder system. They inflamed the situation with information they knew was not true.

Whatever else did or did not happen will come from an independent auditing firm in three near future.

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K&R RandySF Dec 2015 #1
Thank you for this detailed explanation. I hope this will put the obfuscation to rest. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #2
Well, that's disappointing. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #3
Rove dpatbrown Dec 2015 #46
Let me educate you a bit: Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #49
Let me get this right. dpatbrown Dec 2015 #50
Now you're just being silly. I ain't playing Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #54
So far, there has been one leader standing tall and taking action and that person is Bernie Sanders. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #4
Except for that part in the debate... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #7
Hillary is up in the polls, her campaign workers are doing a good job, they do not need to copy Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #21
He was FORCED to submit to an audit!!! That's why Sanders was cut off! Sancho Dec 2015 #37
After the independent audit we will see who did what. All of the excuses will continue Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #41
This is respect post for you. Phlem Dec 2015 #57
I will wait for the result of an independent audit rather than taking DNC hacks at their word Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #5
The sources above are from... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #6
So not one neutral source, got it Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #10
You can't just deny every source that doesn't fit your worldview. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #11
And you can't deny that there has not been an independent investigation Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #12
An independent account of what? That there was a bug in the system? randome Dec 2015 #14
An independent account of how many times the firewalls went down... Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #19
Which would, in the end, benefit no one. randome Dec 2015 #22
Well blame that on the DNC as their handling of this has benefited no one Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #23
When DWS went to the press with this... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #28
Well Happenstance24 Dec 2015 #18
I would not support prosecuting Cosby without an independent investigation. Bjorn Against Dec 2015 #20
Sen Sanders will see more and more of this Swiftboating by the 1% that have the resources and rhett o rick Dec 2015 #15
Josh Uretsky is a Swiftboater? BlueCheese Dec 2015 #16
Isn't it amazing how much the 1% can do with unlimited funds? They will do anything to put rhett o rick Dec 2015 #35
Sanders is being swiftboated from within. This just keeps getting better. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #32
Thank you so much for taking time to pull this together and one Word... riversedge Dec 2015 #8
It took a long time, but I've seen these claims made repeatedly as if they were fact. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #9
Your reply is hardly unbiased angrychair Dec 2015 #25
I'm more than allowed to base my conclusions on what's known so far. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #27
In regard to your first question... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #29
I agree with you. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #30
To your points angrychair Dec 2015 #48
Thanks for this. Hopefully DUers will take the time to educate themselves. (eom) oasis Dec 2015 #13
They won't. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #52
It's nothing new. Zealots believe what they want to believe. (eom) oasis Dec 2015 #55
The lack of comprehension from so many is boggling Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #17
Your entire thread falls apart because... TheProgressive Dec 2015 #24
and if they really had dirt on Bernie retrowire Dec 2015 #44
K&R Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #26
I don't find your research convincing. It's another partisan smear. philly_bob Dec 2015 #31
No obligation to argue. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #33
Yeah, "smear" was strong. Should have said more neutral "assertions." /nt philly_bob Dec 2015 #39
Thank you for that. nt BlueCheese Dec 2015 #40
Great op. Thank you for taking the time. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #34
K AND R! Thank you for info. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #36
An excellent summary... Sancho Dec 2015 #38
Worst of all, the Sanders campaign failed to inform Bernie himself! It wasn't till 24 hours after pnwmom Dec 2015 #42
Did Sanders say that? n/t winter is coming Dec 2015 #45
i wonder why the DNC gave him all his data back retrowire Dec 2015 #43
You forgot the minor detail that the DNC broke their contract with Sanders. jeff47 Dec 2015 #47
I like the way you laid this out, let me add one question to your deal here randys1 Dec 2015 #51
Don't give up your day job. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #53
Not looking good for Bernie. Will he withdraw from the race? NurseJackie Dec 2015 #56
Bwahahaha! RichVRichV Dec 2015 #58
I acknowledged as much upthread. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #59
If they want to prove any claims then they should show the relevant log files. RichVRichV Dec 2015 #60
Amen to your last paragraph. murielm99 Dec 2015 #61
The ridiculous conspiracy theories that have been repeatedly dragged up... BlueCheese Dec 2015 #62
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