2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: 15 Fundamental DIFFERENCES Between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)As for #8. "Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton did not." , do you think it's fAIR and REASONABLE to say that Clinton didn't introduce legislation to overturn a Supreme Court Decision that was issued AFTER she had already left the Senate?
Citizens United was decided, I believe, in response to a lawsuit filed by Hillary. But she has not stood really strongly in favor of the constitutional amendment required to change that decision. She is not weak on this issue, but Bernie is much stronger.
As for #11, that's not true (he has waged personal attacks) although he leaves most of that to his supporters.
Bernie has not waged personal attacks. He has defended Hillary. We voters have the responsibility for differentiating between the candidates. When we criticize a candidate, it is part of our job as voters. Bernie does not wage and has not waged personal attacks.
Here are a few more to ponder:
Clinton has never lost a general election, Sanders has.
Neither candidate has run in a general election. Sanders lost elections in the early years of his career. He was elected mayor of Burlington, Vt. 4 times. He has served in Congress since the very early 1990s. Hillary ran twice for the Senate and served one term plus a portion of a second term. In terms of election success, Bernie is by far the better candidate. He learned from his early failures. Hillary lost in 2008 in the primary -- lost big.
Clinton earned more votes in her very first election (3.7 million) than Sanders has earned in his entire political career.
Irrelevant. Bernie has won far more times, far more different elections and based on a much longer personal record of public service than has Hillary.
Clinton has voted for gun control every chance she has, Sanders has not.
Sanders did not vote for gun control measures that he believed were deficient. I agree with his view on gun control. I have family members who live in rural areas and hunt for food, for sport and to protect their properties.
Clinton is in favor of repealing legislation that protects gun manufacturers, Sanders is not AND he voted for that legislation.
Gun manufacturers are entitled to the same legal protections as other manufacturers in my view. I favor background checks although I have some difficulty with the idea of declining gun ownership based on mental health issues because many mental health issues should not disqualify people from being able to protect themselves in their homes and diagnoses can be wrong. Also, some people outgrow certain mental illnesses. I don't think that some of the most dangerous attitudes and mental problems are not easily or often diagnosed. So the refusal of a gun permit based on a mental health diagnosis may be quite useless. It may miss people like some of the right-wing terrorists and in an overbroad way include people who are harmless. Do you really think that a racist, a rabid racist should be allowed to have a gun while someone who is perhaps confused but not angry should not? I'm just not sure that will help much. Still I support gun licensing.
As for gun manufacturers, if there is something wrong with the gun or if it was manufactured so as not to meet basic safety regulations and standards, then the manufacturer should be liable. Otherwise not. That's the same as the law for all manufacturers although there are exceptions for certain manufacturers other than gun manufacturers. The purpose of a gun is to kill. We should not make gun manufacturers liable just because their product does what it is made to do. We should educate the public about the problems with guns and rely on their self-interest to cause them not to buy or have them unless they need them.
Clinton has been a DEMOCRAT for more than four decades, Sanders has not and he still doesn't consider himself a Democrat (although he's using the resources of the Democratic Party for "political gains" .
Irrelevant. Sanders has caucused with Democrats for years -- and voted with them. More troubling are the people who call themselves Democrats and belong to Democratic organizations but vote with Republicans. Lieberman was a prime example.