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JDPriestly

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66. Here are my responses:
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 08:39 PM
Dec 2015

As for #8. "Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton did not." , do you think it's fAIR and REASONABLE to say that Clinton didn't introduce legislation to overturn a Supreme Court Decision that was issued AFTER she had already left the Senate?

Citizens United was decided, I believe, in response to a lawsuit filed by Hillary. But she has not stood really strongly in favor of the constitutional amendment required to change that decision. She is not weak on this issue, but Bernie is much stronger.

As for #11, that's not true (he has waged personal attacks) although he leaves most of that to his supporters.

Bernie has not waged personal attacks. He has defended Hillary. We voters have the responsibility for differentiating between the candidates. When we criticize a candidate, it is part of our job as voters. Bernie does not wage and has not waged personal attacks.


Here are a few more to ponder:

Clinton has never lost a general election, Sanders has.

Neither candidate has run in a general election. Sanders lost elections in the early years of his career. He was elected mayor of Burlington, Vt. 4 times. He has served in Congress since the very early 1990s. Hillary ran twice for the Senate and served one term plus a portion of a second term. In terms of election success, Bernie is by far the better candidate. He learned from his early failures. Hillary lost in 2008 in the primary -- lost big.


Clinton earned more votes in her very first election (3.7 million) than Sanders has earned in his entire political career.

Irrelevant. Bernie has won far more times, far more different elections and based on a much longer personal record of public service than has Hillary.


Clinton has voted for gun control every chance she has, Sanders has not.

Sanders did not vote for gun control measures that he believed were deficient. I agree with his view on gun control. I have family members who live in rural areas and hunt for food, for sport and to protect their properties.

Clinton is in favor of repealing legislation that protects gun manufacturers, Sanders is not AND he voted for that legislation.

Gun manufacturers are entitled to the same legal protections as other manufacturers in my view. I favor background checks although I have some difficulty with the idea of declining gun ownership based on mental health issues because many mental health issues should not disqualify people from being able to protect themselves in their homes and diagnoses can be wrong. Also, some people outgrow certain mental illnesses. I don't think that some of the most dangerous attitudes and mental problems are not easily or often diagnosed. So the refusal of a gun permit based on a mental health diagnosis may be quite useless. It may miss people like some of the right-wing terrorists and in an overbroad way include people who are harmless. Do you really think that a racist, a rabid racist should be allowed to have a gun while someone who is perhaps confused but not angry should not? I'm just not sure that will help much. Still I support gun licensing.

As for gun manufacturers, if there is something wrong with the gun or if it was manufactured so as not to meet basic safety regulations and standards, then the manufacturer should be liable. Otherwise not. That's the same as the law for all manufacturers although there are exceptions for certain manufacturers other than gun manufacturers. The purpose of a gun is to kill. We should not make gun manufacturers liable just because their product does what it is made to do. We should educate the public about the problems with guns and rely on their self-interest to cause them not to buy or have them unless they need them.


Clinton has been a DEMOCRAT for more than four decades, Sanders has not and he still doesn't consider himself a Democrat (although he's using the resources of the Democratic Party for "political gains&quot .

Irrelevant. Sanders has caucused with Democrats for years -- and voted with them. More troubling are the people who call themselves Democrats and belong to Democratic organizations but vote with Republicans. Lieberman was a prime example.

I want to know where she stands on the omnibus JackInGreen Dec 2015 #1
Don't forget fracking and college student debts. They differ on that also. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #62
She doesn't stand on the omnibus nxylas Dec 2015 #86
Cue The Swarm Android3.14 Dec 2015 #2
+1 Matariki Dec 2015 #17
So true. Instead of responses with substance arguing in favor of Hillary's views on the issues, JDPriestly Dec 2015 #46
It reminds me of the reactionaries that only root, root, root for the home team ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #64
Oh Man—you said it! zentrum Dec 2015 #65
K&R! Down with 3rd Way. Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #3
Still on the fence but this is making me lean Bernie's way awake Dec 2015 #4
#2 needs to be edited Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #5
Done. Thanks Motown_Johnny Segami Dec 2015 #6
Oh no, thank you for posting this. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #7
Same to you....Cheers! Segami Dec 2015 #8
K&R&bookmark JEB Dec 2015 #9
16. Sanders is honest. "We came, we saw, he died" is not. (Dodging sniper fire?) peacebird Dec 2015 #10
The mistakes that Hillary and Obama made in their policies in Syria, Libya and with their JDPriestly Dec 2015 #50
Oh my... That I had not read before. She is even more of a disaster than I imagined. peacebird Dec 2015 #52
Yes. I suspected this, but did not know the facts. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #54
Bernie has an ethical compass to guide him that points to true democracy Proserpina Dec 2015 #76
The most essential thing we could gain as a society is an ethical compass. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #79
Right. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #83
I agree! JDPriestly Dec 2015 #82
Huge +1! You sure nailed this one, "Politics is partly storytelling. Mythmaking" Enthusiast Dec 2015 #78
The RepubliCONS don't have a problem with turning consulates into drive thru arms movers fasttense Dec 2015 #89
She was named after Sir Edmund Hillary too. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #75
Egads, she actually DID claim that.... peacebird Dec 2015 #88
Bernie is on my side. Clinton is not. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #11
That's it. Bottom line. +1. nt stillwaiting Dec 2015 #28
Yeah, I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves mmonk Dec 2015 #12
It's emotion, not intellect. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #14
Honestly I think it is fear of losing the general.... Bonhomme Richard Dec 2015 #22
Truth. Change doesn't occur without risk. mmonk Dec 2015 #24
Honestly Old Codger Dec 2015 #72
Intellectually? TekGryphon Dec 2015 #38
Really? mmonk Dec 2015 #39
You are welcome to refute them. And the poster has been here since 2008, not this year. arcane1 Dec 2015 #51
Big words. Now back them, and do so with substance. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #74
I signed up back in January of 2004 Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #80
Thanks for this concise, powerful list. Divernan Dec 2015 #13
Oh thank you Divernan! Segami Dec 2015 #21
yep, and moral calculus indicates that her opposition to SP alone stupidicus Dec 2015 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Still In Wisconsin Dec 2015 #16
Kicked, recommended and bookmarked. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #18
K&R valerief Dec 2015 #19
The line in the sand couldn't be clearer. TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #20
I'd add Social Security expansion vs Third Way entitlement deform.. tokenlib Dec 2015 #23
If more seniors only knew this, more would switch over to Sanders' side. That's why DWS Cal33 Dec 2015 #25
This is like "Baby's First Politics" TekGryphon Dec 2015 #26
Please provide links to Hillary's positions if you think they are not properly represented. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #55
I got to #2 and I'm already smelling BS. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #71
TekGryphon navarth Dec 2015 #73
Link to your proof that Bernie "opposed marriage equality" like Tarrant? Tia! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #81
I have asked time and again for HRC supporters to debate any of these issues but they will not. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #63
Now that's a progressive! farleftlib Dec 2015 #27
K&R. Duval Dec 2015 #29
A rather selective and highly subjective group of "differences". George II Dec 2015 #30
One more: Sanders respects the left wing of the Democratic Party farleftlib Dec 2015 #31
Sanders has never respected ANY "wing" of the Democratic Party... George II Dec 2015 #34
He doesn't need anything farleftlib Dec 2015 #36
You're right. They're points. Talking points. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #37
So . . . which of the points in the OP do you disagree with? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #45
Well, I pointed out a few that were questionable AND one that was absolutely... George II Dec 2015 #60
Here are my responses: JDPriestly Dec 2015 #66
Wrong. Quite simpy wrong. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #57
Are you saying Sanders never said these things? George II Dec 2015 #59
No. I'm saying that considering the corruption in the Democratic Party now, I really don't JDPriestly Dec 2015 #67
Those statements were made decades ago (the first back in 1986, 29 years ago!) George II Dec 2015 #69
ain't that the truth stupidicus Dec 2015 #35
Hillary has only run for election two times, and only after her husband served in the White House. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #32
K&R with thanks! n/t bvf Dec 2015 #33
To me the biggest difference is that Bernie doesn't think it's his turn. jalan48 Dec 2015 #40
Hillary beats Sanders hands down if the things Hillary voters value is on that list. uponit7771 Dec 2015 #41
Enough with the Hillary does not support me threads! Kokonoe Dec 2015 #42
Hillary supports military regime change while Sanders does not. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #43
What a bout free college tuition at state colleges -- Sanders has introduced a bill to provide JDPriestly Dec 2015 #44
Thanks JDPriestly.... Segami Dec 2015 #53
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #47
K&R! red dog 1 Dec 2015 #48
Clinton supporters are aghast that some Bernie backers said they won'vote for Hillary in the general Broward Dec 2015 #49
Bravo, thank you! senz Dec 2015 #58
You could edit your OP, and everywhere you said "Hillary", bvar22 Dec 2015 #61
^^ This right here ^^ Scuba Dec 2015 #85
It is shocking to se that list of Hillary's Issues, bvar22 Dec 2015 #90
Yet some still insist she's a progressive. Weird, eh? Scuba Dec 2015 #91
HRC vs. Bernie on H-1B visas antigop Dec 2015 #68
And even Senator Cruz now stands with Bernie on wanting to control H-1B visas now... cascadiance Dec 2015 #70
K&R! It's those 14 and far more. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #77
K&R Great list and growing. Hillary's backers on this thread have been spanked. As for policies ... Scuba Dec 2015 #84
K&R for exposure. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #87
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