2016 Postmortem

karynnj

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157. The email business was WORSE than the Sanders issue

Sun Dec 27, 2015, 11:36 PM

Dec 2015

Why? No one remotely thinks that Sanders himself had ANYTHING to do with the breech. Clinton made the decision to do what she did -- and it left a mess for the Obama administration because they did not have the stuff they should have had for various FOIA requests. It took nearly 2 years for them to realize what happened, negotiate with Clinton and then wait six months to get all the email ON PAPER.

Here, the vendor screwed up and lifted the firewall. It is not like the Sanders campaign plotted this all out. The opening was there for 40 minutes -- and this employee - hired about 3 months earlier, recommended by the DNC -- made the unethical decision to take data. There is no defense for this employee - and he was quickly fired.

However, the DNC opted to make it public and to then prevent the Sanders campaign from accessing any of their own data for several days.

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Sanders campaign hints ‘hacker’ who accessed Clinton data may have been a DNC plant [View all] NCTraveler Dec 2015 OP

Yep. This is getting VERY interesting indeed 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #1

Wouldn't shock me... waitin on the proof. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2015 #105

Yes .. proof is nice. I'm definitely staying tuned. n/t 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #108

Here is a conflicting article, from DailyKos: TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #2

Schultz's needless death penalty actions give additional evidence to a possible plant. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #6

As an IT Officer for a financial firm: In 35 years, never seeing this level of gross incompetence! TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #10

Do your points increase the possibility that he was a plant as he would have this information Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #13

There's no way I could answer that. TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #22

It doesn't take Carnac, just Sherlock. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #27

Some years back where my wife worked they put in a new security setup hobbit709 Dec 2015 #19

That shows poor QA and a failure to perform due diligence in application certification. nt TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #20

It came in handy two years later when they fired her after 32 years since she didn't fit their hobbit709 Dec 2015 #24

Don't forget ACL's. These are important too. The Golden One Dec 2015 #31

Please post this to the Sanders Group ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #23

GMTA. I just posted something similar to seabeyond downthread!! Number23 Dec 2015 #77

This just shows Bernie's true style passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #57

Thank you! JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #63

Kicked and recommended although I don't agree with the term "hacker" the information Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #3

This is getting really sad. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #4

+ 1000 BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #14

I agree it's sad but we knew that the unlimited resouces of the billionaires would rhett o rick Dec 2015 #32

The aluminum industry treestar Dec 2015 #41

Beyond sad. Full fledged "hide under the table embarassing" at this point Number23 Dec 2015 #49

Well said. I agree. JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #122

What is either classless or irresponsible here, it is very likely true karynnj Dec 2015 #133

So making sure that the press sees you suddenly "remembering" that the DNC referred the guy Number23 Dec 2015 #143

look at it the other way karynnj Dec 2015 #146

I wouldn't blame anyone for distancing themselves from that idiot Number23 Dec 2015 #147

I doubt it was suddenly - I assume that Weaver was asked the history karynnj Dec 2015 #149

Well your doubts are the issue and my point. No one appears to have asked them anything Number23 Dec 2015 #152

The email business was WORSE than the Sanders issue karynnj Dec 2015 #157

Yeah. I'm done here Number23 Dec 2015 #158

Very well said. These are just antics and gimmicks R B Garr Dec 2015 #136

I'm really wondering if this can actually be considered a real.... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #59

Oh ... It's still a campaign; but, Bernie is being done a disservice by his advisors ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #74

I wouldn't be surprised to find out Weaver has been orchestrating the whole fiasco Sheepshank Dec 2015 #153

"It seems to be more a quixotic quest against imaginary monsters." JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #123

Welcome to DU !!! And.... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #141

A few here are even trying to pretend that it didn't come from Sanders' own campaign Number23 Dec 2015 #145

A few here are even trying to pretend that it didn't come from Sanders' own campaign Number23 Dec 2015 #148

There they go, down the rabbit hole. okasha Dec 2015 #80

He continually proves over and over, why he should not have the top job in the U.S. Nt seabeyond Dec 2015 #5

+1 NurseJackie Dec 2015 #7

+ 1,000,000,000,000 eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #12

+ another. More tinfoil hat stuff! leftofcool Dec 2015 #15

Just when I thought it had bottomed out ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #35

coast to coast am? Next we will.... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #64

I know I just laughed so hard I cried rbrnmw Dec 2015 #84

A psychic that channels imaginary dead people ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #87

This is comedy gold rbrnmw Dec 2015 #89

Yes ... Sadly, we are seeing a lot. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #91

Oh. My. God. My expressions reading that: Number23 Dec 2015 #93

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #102

Ha ha. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #106

hahaha rbrnmw Dec 2015 #117

Hahahaha JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #127

rereading this subthread made me think of this rbrnmw Dec 2015 #135

LOL brer cat Mar 2016 #168

And THAT threads gets 100 ROFLs!!!!!!!! MohRokTah Dec 2015 #119

Oh dear! No wonder a lot of them hate science. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #120

What's next? okasha Dec 2015 #121

OMG LMAO JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #125

I don't understand the belief in psychics either leftofcool Dec 2015 #128

This and other reasons. Vindictive when things don't go his way. n/t livetohike Dec 2015 #16

+100 (NT) reACTIONary Dec 2015 #60

+1 nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #126

Unless they have evidence, they should zip it. cali Dec 2015 #8

+1 JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #11

Agreed, although I haven't noticed that the Sanders campaign is much given winter is coming Dec 2015 #44

Sounds like the Sanders campaign has gone full blown tinfoil hat CT MohRokTah Dec 2015 #9

I'd believe a GOP plant before anything else. FarPoint Dec 2015 #42

The GOP didn't recommend the primary culprit to Bernie's campaign. n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #43

INSANE paranoia and delusion are shared by the mega-right AND the mega-left. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #161

Hacker? mmonk Dec 2015 #17

Meltdown in Bernie's campaign looks to be underway drowefnp Dec 2015 #18

that latest talking point for a concern troll. grasswire Dec 2015 #39

Absolutely Not drowefnp Dec 2015 #45

You're very generous demwing Dec 2015 #53

"I have to wonder where are the smart people in that campaign to steer the ship" Number23 Dec 2015 #47

If it quacks like a duck... draa Dec 2015 #67

Yet another perfect (and beyond precious) example of the behavior that everyone is talking about Number23 Dec 2015 #70

Intra party squabbles are part of politics. draa Dec 2015 #78

Lawsuits and implying that the DNC put a "plant" in a Democratic contender's campaign in order to Number23 Dec 2015 #79

Schultz refused to help Democratic Candidates in Florida because she was too close to their Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #81

This is all fascinating. Really Number23 Dec 2015 #82

There's more in regards to Schultz's so called "respect for the rules" and the DNC. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #83

His access to his data was reinstated the second he decided to cooperate with the DNC Number23 Dec 2015 #92

The lawsuit came before the reinstatement and he didn't give the DNC any additional Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #101

That's my point. The lawsuit was to get access back to his own data which was Number23 Dec 2015 #110

It was also for damages and discovery. n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #112

Yes, damages due to not being able to access the data. Number23 Dec 2015 #113

His own voter data which was also at risk while the firewall was down, that's one of the things that Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #114

Here you go. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #103

And this ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #131

And it's also the reason this idiocy won't die the way that it should have days ago Number23 Dec 2015 #142

Yes ... "Noble and valiant" ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #144

+1 Stop reading my mind #23! MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #85

... BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #21

Is Sanders about to fire that comic book salesman running his campaign? MADem Dec 2015 #25

Almost posted the same sentiment last week. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #166

I really think "Bellicose" describes him to a tee. nt MADem Dec 2015 #167

Was the "plant" trained during Jade Helm? Is this all part of Agenda 21? Bleacher Creature Dec 2015 #26

Who told dlwickham Dec 2015 #66

and if it is proven to be true NowSam Dec 2015 #28

It's not just Hillary supporters that are seeing the tragic insanity of this all. ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #38

Did Schultz believe in a conspiracy theory when she broke the contract and tried to Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #40

From what I've read (on DU and elsewhere) ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #46

The DNC candidate contract required written notification and a ten day waiting period for Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #65

The contract required a 10 day notice to TERMINATE the contract ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #69

Suspending the contract during the campaign has the same practical effect, that's why Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #72

As a first response, before it was known what had and what was goung on.... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #71

They knew the firewall was only down for forty minutes. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #76

As I said.... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #96

It wasn't reasonable nor precautionary Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #104

Sorry, I disagree. It was the right thing to do. eom reACTIONary Dec 2015 #115

I'm sorry you disagree too, but Bernie had already fired the prime culprit on the 17th Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #116

I'm glad you're sorry I'm sorry to disagree and... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #140

Not only are you correct, but you are supported by the experts. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #155

Actually, it was the right thing to do according to the SANS Institute Renew Deal Dec 2015 #154

Thanks ! Very informative ! ! eom reACTIONary Dec 2015 #159

They also knew that one campaign tried to exploit the firewall issue. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #151

Serious questions rarely qualified with "if" LanternWaste Dec 2015 #163

Off the rails. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #29

Goldwater set it up. stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #30

This is sad. cwydro Dec 2015 #33

Every time you think the DNS/Clinton group cannot sink any deeper... Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #34

Again, blaming Clinton when Sander fucks up. Isn't he ever responsible for his behavior/what he says seabeyond Dec 2015 #48

Sanders supporters seem to be the main ones jumping up and down with the idea that this guy was a Number23 Dec 2015 #75

I keep waiting for the dust to settle, but Sanders and his people keep kicking the dust up into a seabeyond Dec 2015 #86

Why is no one blaming Seth, the God of Chaos? OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #134

Mmm hmm. JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #139

This is a Sanders based conspiracy Renew Deal Dec 2015 #156

The article is bull crap. Neither Sanders nor his campaign hinted at that. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #36

This is a rewrite of the Yahoo story with a different headline. zalinda Dec 2015 #37

well, Hillarians like the RS headline/insinuations better stupidicus Dec 2015 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #50

When do they officially take back the apology? Renew Deal Dec 2015 #51

Awww, look at all the little Clinton supporters ignoring post #2 Scootaloo Dec 2015 #52

indeed, almost as quickly as their queen ducked the sniper fire stupidicus Dec 2015 #56

K&R I am so glad for the investigation Sanders started. eom Duval Dec 2015 #55

Oh FFS. JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #58

The other article says, "The unnamed Sanders advisor spoke..." SoapBox Dec 2015 #61

KICK AND REC!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #62

Did Uretsky et al really hack anything? Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #68

Hillary supporters 'poo poo' this, but the fact is he was recommended by the DNC. Not looking good. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #73

The Conspiracy Kool-Aid drowefnp Dec 2015 #90

Anonymous sources are cool Nomadas Dec 2015 #88

I see no more evidence of a "hint" than a plant. Vattel Dec 2015 #94

Who cares...the real story is: artislife Dec 2015 #95

Raw Story cares. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #97

No...it is not...the trust thing is real. nt artislife Dec 2015 #99

Ok. The possibility exists that he is a plant. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #100

See, if you are a Sanders supporter and hate Clinton, then one can believe a plant, and that really seabeyond Dec 2015 #107

You see if you are a h supporter, you cannot fathom how distrusted she is. artislife Dec 2015 #109

Yes, Sanders, his staff and supporters are all beating that drum. Oh, and the repugs. Then 60% of seabeyond Dec 2015 #111

No crossover...even in your statement. heh. artislife Dec 2015 #124

I see no point in reprinting articles that are complete bullshit. But I guess you do. Vattel Dec 2015 #98

His campaign is not alone in hinting that the breach was done for nefarious reasons. Which is why sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #118

Yes. His campaign is alone in claiming that Nomadas Dec 2015 #129

'Claiming' is the wrong word since there has not been an investigation yet nor has the lawsuit sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #137

Why would anyone else claim that? bvar22 Dec 2015 #138

Thought seems to be all over the place on this one... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #130

It sounds as if there are competing memes here. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #132

Trying to weasel out of taking responsibility.. we've seen this all too often. they hired him. Cha Dec 2015 #150

Denied by the Sanders campaign... brooklynite Dec 2015 #160

Have we ruled out aliens yet? LanternWaste Dec 2015 #162

HEY.... I haven't seen you in , .... Forever!!! seabeyond Dec 2015 #164

Dropping "hints" to fuel fundraising?? Gloria Dec 2015 #165