2016 Postmortem

mythology

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124. So by that logic, it would stand that given Clinton's vote wasn't a deciding vote

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #102)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:01 AM

Jan 2016

then she isn't responsible either. If the actual vote itself doesn't matter, only the result, then it is logical that Clinton's vote also doesn't matter since the authorization would have passed even if she voted no.

If on the other hand you hold that the votes matter as a reflection of judgement, you can't let either of of the hook because it is the vote itself that matters most.

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This Is Our One Chance For Redemption... And You're Gonna Vote For Hillary ??? [View all] WillyT Dec 2015 OP

Not me. I will be voting for Bernie! peacebird Dec 2015 #1

Who needs to be redeemed? riversedge Dec 2015 #2

Redemption... WillyT Dec 2015 #15

Here is a partial list: Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #77

Hillary is the most qualified candidate running, she is not Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #3

+1,000,000 yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #4

Thank you! Empowerer Dec 2015 #30

spot on. riversedge Dec 2015 #33

Qualified To Help Bush Invade Iraq Yallow Dec 2015 #39

Hillary did not invade Iraq any more than Sanders did. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #67

She voted, YES .... paleotn Jan 2016 #78

No, that goes to Bush, why are so many willing to give the Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #84

Who's giving the Republicans a pass? You're the one absolving people of their involvement. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #85

Got it, now Sanders has gone against gun cintrol for the NRA, Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #89

Not a chance, he voted for background checks and bans on assault weapons. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #90

I did not change the story to the IWR vote, yes Sanders voted Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #96

No it's not since he voted for gun control. And the Brady bill passed, remember? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #97

I know the bill passed without his help, it is possible there would have been more deaths. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #99

So no one died because of those votes, unlike the dead soldiers and Iraqi civilians. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #100

Not true, people died from gun violence after the bill was introduced and Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #101

But Bernie's votes had nothing to do with that since the bill passed. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #102

There yoi have your answer, Hillary's vote had nothing to do with Bush Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #103

Yes it did, the bill passed. And she also convinced others to vote for it: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #104

This was passing a resolution of which the WND inspections was to be completed Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #105

She endorsed the invasion: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #107

Sanders endorses guns. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #108

Is that your default setting? Whenever you're losing you just make shit up? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #110

So now you resort to attacking me personally, huummm. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #111

You make no sense. How does one "endorse guns"? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #113

Bye I discontinue conversations when personal attacks start. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #114

Nice excuse, there was no personal attack. You've just run out of talking points. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #115

Are you SERIOUS? I and many other Dems will never forget that night. The night Dems had a chance to sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #129

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #130

So by that logic, it would stand that given Clinton's vote wasn't a deciding vote mythology Jan 2016 #124

"You're not an it-getter, are you?" SusanaMontana41 Jan 2016 #132

by that logic you must have voted for McCain in 2008 Doctor_J Dec 2015 #58

Since you brought up the vote on McCain you must have supported him, Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #98

err...what? Doctor_J Jan 2016 #106

Republican issues like gun issues, no, i am not supporting a Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #131

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Jan 2016 #92

if she were, I would not be supporting her. okasha Jan 2016 #112

She's not qualified. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #116

You will probably continue to hear this because it is true. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #117

I will because it's a meme her campaign made up. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #118

It isn't made up by her campaign, she is the most qualified candidate Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #119

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #125

Redemption? Is that what we are seeking? Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #5

Yeah... For The Thousands We've Killed And Maimed For Profit, Is A Good Start... WillyT Dec 2015 #8

Is that HRC in the cockpit? Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #10

What's The Difference ??? - "I Was Just Following Orders." WillyT Dec 2015 #12

Odds are she okayed the sale of that weapon senz Dec 2015 #13

That's an Israeli aircraft over Gaza. MADem Dec 2015 #53

Same bullshit... paleotn Jan 2016 #79

No. It's a BLATANT visual misrepresentation. A real, Porgie-style "Fool Me Once" MADem Jan 2016 #83

And how many innocent local people have died.... paleotn Jan 2016 #95

And Bernie the newly annointed priest will absolve us of our sins?? riversedge Dec 2015 #11

You probably wouldn't understand this, but senz Dec 2015 #14

Then you should absolutely vote for your candidate based on guilt. leftofcool Dec 2015 #20

Hillaryy. What committees has she sat on in Congress? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #52

Good grief--you should probably look shit up before you write denigrating posts like that.... MADem Dec 2015 #59

Sociopaths generally feel neither guilt nor empathy - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #23

Well, since I am a proud Progressive, I do understand. But Bernie and his laying on riversedge Dec 2015 #34

Ah. Language problem... senz Dec 2015 #36

Look it up yourself if you want to know. bye riversedge Dec 2015 #40

See #23 Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #74

The rest of the world likes Hillary and has respected the work pnwmom Dec 2015 #38

Have you actually talked to anyone from another country about this? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #55

Not so. Go read 840high Jan 2016 #62

The rest of the world KNOWS Hillary Clinton's name. pangaia Jan 2016 #65

Huh? PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #122

I think the Scandinavian countries appreciated her strong stands pnwmom Jan 2016 #123

Thank you! Paka Dec 2015 #48

Gee, is that a shot of downtown Burlington VT? MADem Dec 2015 #32

Good catch MADem. oasis Dec 2015 #45

Redemption... WillyT Dec 2015 #16

Getting really tired of these backhanded insults. Bleacher Creature Dec 2015 #6

Ha! Have you touched the hem of his garment? I think not! Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #9

Redemption... WillyT Dec 2015 #17

It wasn't me. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #7

Redemption? seabeyond Dec 2015 #18

Do you think Bernie will be able to raise the dead too? leftofcool Dec 2015 #19

Right DirtyHippyBastard Dec 2015 #31

There's not a poster on this thread that doesn't have compassion for oasis Dec 2015 #47

I know. Really? n/t Brainstormy Dec 2015 #24

History doesn't look that kindly on whiners. randome Dec 2015 #21

The only thing beltanefauve Jan 2016 #88

Still, what are you going to do? Give up? randome Jan 2016 #109

Yes, I am. Twice. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #22

Nope. Punkingal Dec 2015 #25

One chance??? BKH70041 Dec 2015 #26

I will be quite happy to vote for Hillary comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #27

"trying to develop nuclear weapons" - Zero Evidence Hillary Yallow Dec 2015 #46

Hillary Wasn't The Only One Yallow Dec 2015 #51

Thank you. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #56

There are a lot of conservatives that traffic here. Broward Dec 2015 #28

And most seem to be HRC supporters. (nt) paleotn Jan 2016 #81

You're just a ray of fucking sunshine aren't you? ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #29

Redemption isn't a reason to vote. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #35

This isn't about redemption and Bernie can't be our savior. pnwmom Dec 2015 #37

Exactly - Bernie Appeals To People Who Don't Like Sellouts Yallow Dec 2015 #44

So much innocent blood spilled, now her sights are on Syria farleftlib Dec 2015 #41

Yep - sad 840high Jan 2016 #63

Vote For Real Change Or The Wall Street / Goldman Sachs / DLC / TPP Girl Yallow Dec 2015 #42

I don't need to be saved. Long past that. postatomic Dec 2015 #43

I am voting for Hillary BECAUSE this is our one chance for redemption. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #49

K&R a million times. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #50

If the back n forth btwn HRC and Bernie supporters NoMoreRepugs Dec 2015 #54

It's clear that a LOT of duers don't want uhc, don't want to rein in Pentagon spending, don't want Doctor_J Dec 2015 #57

I think a lot of DU'ers are financially very 840high Jan 2016 #64

Well said. (nt) paleotn Jan 2016 #82

K&R nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #60

Happy New Year to you 840high Jan 2016 #61

Yes and yes. ucrdem Jan 2016 #66

What, is this church??? Gloria Jan 2016 #68

The Supreme Court is already WAY too corporatist. senz Jan 2016 #73

Nope. I don't want to waste my vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #69

You always have wonderful quotes!!! My vote cannot be assumed, it needs to be earned ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #70

Young wolves, show us your teeth. John Steinbeck Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #71

71 and the 71st post, should mean something good :) slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #72

Very informative thread./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #75

"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Jan 2016 #76

Deja vu! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2016 #80

Me either. 99Forever Jan 2016 #86

Yes, I plan to do exactly that. Nt hack89 Jan 2016 #87

Oh please, the melodrama. Beacool Jan 2016 #91

Hell yes!! Because redemption only happens if you can win a general election. Persondem Jan 2016 #93

It was not Me SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #94

hell, yeah, willyT! restorefreedom Jan 2016 #120

Apparently... Many Here Don't Think So... WillyT Jan 2016 #121

some have heads in sand, and some restorefreedom Jan 2016 #128

Damn right, I'm voting for Hillary. Rincewind Jan 2016 #126

lolwut MisterP Jan 2016 #127