2016 Postmortem

Gothmog

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90. That is not how negative ads work

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:15 PM

Jan 2016

The fact that Sanders uses the socialist designation is all that the Kochs need to run negative ads against Sanders. The terms "socialist" and "socialism" already poll badly and these terms will be radioactive after several million dollars of negative ads. The premise of the OP is that Sanders is the superior candidate for the primary process and I disagree with this premise.

All evidence is that Sanders would have a harder time than Hillary Clinton in that Sanders is (a) not vetted, (b) is vulnerable to negative ads using the terms socialism and socialist and (c) will likely lack the financial resources to compete in a general election where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate may spend another billion dollars.

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I do not understand why Hillary supporters can not understand that... [View all] SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 OP

The crazies always turn out. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #1

Not like they will mobilize against Hillary Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #3

We will have to agree to disagree. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #8

the right's rejection of another Bush is ONE clear and obvious point SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #50

Good point. tecelote Jan 2016 #77

it is way past time to make it clear that the right's way of things is wrong SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #79

I have been trying to point this out SheilaT Jan 2016 #2

Oh, it's totally magic BainsBane Jan 2016 #10

Do you actually believe that SheilaT Jan 2016 #24

that brush off that you proudly display is what you will get from her SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #67

The ones living in la-la land is your side if you think that Republicans would vote for Sanders. Beacool Jan 2016 #116

There are many Republicans who feel their jobs are threatened by Free Trade and H-1B like programs.. cascadiance Jan 2016 #118

People who benefit from the status quo will not understand or won't care. antigop Jan 2016 #130

Exactly. Excellent summary. (nt) PotatoChip Jan 2016 #135

The GOP doesn't scare me firebrand80 Jan 2016 #4

No - that is just not true SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #12

they still have to find enough extra voters firebrand80 Jan 2016 #17

There is no Obama coalition without Obama. azmom Jan 2016 #65

The coalition will come together for the general firebrand80 Jan 2016 #82

I think you're deluding yourself on this. thucythucy Jan 2016 #140

No No No SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #147

I hope you're right, or should I say "correct." thucythucy Jan 2016 #155

Rational and responsible liberals will seek to vote for whichever candidate has randys1 Jan 2016 #5

Anti-Hillary blah blah blah leftofcool Jan 2016 #6

I make many strong stands against the votes of my friends on the left SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #19

Oh, so I shouldn't vote for her BainsBane Jan 2016 #7

"cut it out" SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #93

Are you kidding? - republican voters think Hillary is a "socialist" as well tularetom Jan 2016 #110

I don't see much difference HassleCat Jan 2016 #9

very nice SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #70

My thoughts exactly. Squinch Jan 2016 #84

It stand to reason every vote Hillary gets in Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #11

Based on that logic, Obama would never have been President. hlthe2b Jan 2016 #13

They never saw it coming SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #22

Good thing Obama didn't listen to people like you. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #14

Different story SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #29

Obama is more hated by the right wing JI7 Jan 2016 #15

I'm not sure about that Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #131

It's her turn. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #16

I'm sure the GOP will have trouble whipping up their base sufrommich Jan 2016 #18

Democratic Socialist, get it right, you sound like the RW hate radio and TV people. litlbilly Jan 2016 #28

Well thanks for proving my point. I'm sure if you sufrommich Jan 2016 #35

Those idiots who dont know the difference arent gonna vote for him anyway, I garantee they wont vote litlbilly Jan 2016 #42

50% say they won't vote for a socialist mythology Jan 2016 #51

And they wont be, he's a Democratic Socialist. Get it? BTW, ignore for you. done wasting time litlbilly Jan 2016 #54

it is the other 50 percent that matters SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #71

What about the 25% of repubs who always vote for Bernie in Vermont? They know exactly who he is, litlbilly Jan 2016 #43

Winning in Vermont is a whole different ballgame sufrommich Jan 2016 #55

You just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better:) litlbilly Jan 2016 #57

VT demographically looks different from the rest of the US, its not a fair comparison uponit7771 Jan 2016 #105

democratic, purple, happy... whatever... the "socialist" will bring out the GOP nuts against him uponit7771 Jan 2016 #103

Thank you. Number23 Jan 2016 #97

You honestly don't think this would happen with Bernie? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #20

do you think the hate is even close to equal? SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #68

Republican talking heads will instill hate AND fear for Commie/socialist/govt take over Sheepshank Jan 2016 #87

Sanders has crossover appeal. Qutzupalotl Jan 2016 #107

Well good for him and everyone else that believes that. Nt. Sheepshank Jan 2016 #119

They always vote... one_voice Jan 2016 #21

You have it wrong. They dont hate Bernie anywhere near as much, he gets 25% of the vermont litlbilly Jan 2016 #32

facts do not seem to matter to some SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #59

That's ok. I'm just trying to figure out who they want to convince. Thnks:) litlbilly Jan 2016 #61

I'm sure he does well in his state... one_voice Jan 2016 #60

Bernie will increase the dem and independent voter turnout. What does that mean? Huge victory litlbilly Jan 2016 #64

You may do as you wish.. one_voice Jan 2016 #74

Im betting this time, the repub turnout will not be as big as in the past. Just watch and see litlbilly Jan 2016 #85

Link and quote on that? Stating so doesn't make it so uponit7771 Jan 2016 #106

+1 treestar Jan 2016 #34

Exactly. And that "fucking" Bernin4U Jan 2016 #40

yes they do come out Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #132

If only we nominate someone else, the republicans won't vote. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #23

wow - did you play twister as a child SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #26

I think that there would be an equal reaction to Clinton or Hillary. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #95

"cut it out" SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #96

Apparently not. (n/t) OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #98

you know it and I know it SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #99

Oops. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #100

But they're all going to line up to vote for the socialist after the Right is done smearing Bernie? Metric System Jan 2016 #25

Dammit get it fking right, hes not a socialist, Democratic Socialist. As different as liberal, and litlbilly Jan 2016 #33

"Democratic Socialist" is a type of Socialist. While "Socialist Democrat" is a type of Democrat. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #45

The distinction would be lost on them Nonhlanhla Jan 2016 #143

The socialist with the message that the rich are screwing us and should pay their fair share? winter is coming Jan 2016 #37

I think youre correct. There is big anger across the board, but some just dont know why, or they do litlbilly Jan 2016 #152

A Socialist on the ballot would result in a huge turnout redstateblues Jan 2016 #27

And yet Obama won re-election in 2012, despite the number of wingers winter is coming Jan 2016 #39

Obama never called himself a Socialist. Bernie did redstateblues Jan 2016 #112

No, Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist, which is not the same thing. winter is coming Jan 2016 #114

Um, Bernie would be listed as a Democrat on the ballot Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #120

The Rs would have a field day with his redstateblues Jan 2016 #121

His honeymoon in Russia was in Burlington's sister city, Yaroslavl Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #122

I do not understand why Bernie supporters can not understand that... brooklynite Jan 2016 #30

not true and you avoid my point SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #31

I didn't avoid your point...I identified it as irrelevant. brooklynite Jan 2016 #36

Trump and Cruz have lined up against TPP and H-1B. Hillary is for H-1B and is nebulous about TPP. cascadiance Jan 2016 #139

Actually it is true and if anyone knows, it is Brooklynite. leftofcool Jan 2016 #38

+1 ... JoePhilly Jan 2016 #62

Binary thinking is fail. Bernin4U Jan 2016 #75

My sister didn't vote for Obama, Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #123

Oh good, we're back to this canard about Hillary. The cycle has started again Godhumor Jan 2016 #41

Sanders supporter, but I disagree with letting the GOP control the tone. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #44

The right do and have controlled the tone SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #47

I'm saying I'm not willing to bend to the wishes of the right. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #49

she is to the right of him - so you are bent SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #52

I'm a Sanders supporter. Get that straight. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #53

so sorry SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #58

The right will trash whomever we nominate, that's a given. unapatriciated Jan 2016 #137

IMO many are willing to sacrifice the party in order to elect a female president Doctor_J Jan 2016 #46

good GOD that's exactly how it'd play out MisterP Jan 2016 #91

The wheel of outrage has spun back to this space again? JoePhilly Jan 2016 #48

Every Dem candidate is a Hyper-Socialist! Bernin4U Jan 2016 #56

Hillary has crazy high negative ratings for a reason SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #63

This post ignores how negative advertising works Gothmog Jan 2016 #92

When Sanders actively courts the Trump/Reagan Democrat vote, Skidmore Jan 2016 #66

Punk Rock Bernin4U Jan 2016 #86

"cut it out" SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #94

Bernie is not changing his message one iota though. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #124

Exactly, he's championing protecting Americans' jobs, that Trump is trying to appeal to as well... cascadiance Jan 2016 #141

Can I ask you- how do you figure HRC will be able to deliver on her promises notadmblnd Jan 2016 #128

Do you not think she has developed working Skidmore Jan 2016 #144

Not republicans. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #145

She also has developed Skidmore Jan 2016 #146

I think Obama managed. He probably had less experience going in than Sanders has. notadmblnd Jan 2016 #150

I'm very proud of President Obama who faced Skidmore Jan 2016 #151

I think he'll do ok foreign policy wise notadmblnd Jan 2016 #153

I don't support Hillary because of what she is and what she represents Kalidurga Jan 2016 #69

As a adamant Bernie supporter, trying to step into their shoes... demwing Jan 2016 #72

I do not understand why Sanders supporters believe anything you just posted. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #73

having trouble finding something to do today? SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #76

I despise both Wolf and Hedges. Both are complete fools. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #78

"FOOLS" SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #80

Yes, fools. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #81

Thanks for exposing your corporatist philosophies so completely for us to see.... cascadiance Jan 2016 #136

Wolff is everybody's favorite Marxist redstateblues Jan 2016 #129

And the fear of socialism and socialists will not trigger the same response? Gothmog Jan 2016 #83

#56. Bernie is no more Socialist than Hillary. Bernin4U Jan 2016 #88

That is not how negative ads work Gothmog Jan 2016 #90

Not to mention another Presidency spent with one lawsuit after another. randr Jan 2016 #89

From now on my primary response to these HRC bashing posts underthematrix Jan 2016 #101

maybe you should just say "cut it out" SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #102

Nope. That won't do. LAWD! means the level of stupid is so deep underthematrix Jan 2016 #104

And I cannot understand why Sanders' supporters can't leave Hillary supporters in peace. Beacool Jan 2016 #108

tell them to "cut it out" SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #109

Nope, the disingenuous posts will continue unabated. Beacool Jan 2016 #113

yes - the same old - same old is not good enough anymore... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #115

Of all the reasons I dislike Hillary Clinton.... vi5 Jan 2016 #111

A lot of this depends on the repug candidate. sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #117

Because you say so? randome Jan 2016 #125

Hillary supporters understand the battle to come... FarPoint Jan 2016 #126

I think it is Hillary and her supporters that still have a lot to learn... cascadiance Jan 2016 #138

I like Sanders message, support his views... FarPoint Jan 2016 #142

For the same reason that Sanders' supporters cannot understand why the red and purple states still_one Jan 2016 #127

one must understand - the red american do have "progressive" feelings they just have.... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #149

People who benefit from the status quo will not understand or won't care. antigop Jan 2016 #133

This I do know Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #148

Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #154