2016 Postmortem

blackspade

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61. Not so silly when a major progressive organization wants you to vote...

Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:55 PM

Jan 2016

for who they endorse.
You guys lose these things because you don't think that progressive endorsements matter and therefore don't bother to vote.
But then you complain and exclaim their irrelevancy, citing your own lack of participation.

It's actually kind of fascinating.

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The difference between the endorsements by MoveOn and Planned Parenthood: [View all] redgreenandblue Jan 2016 OP

Astutely observed. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #1

It was just like some of the unions endorsements. CWA members took a vote of members to see who to LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #51

One was top down. The other is bottom up. senz Jan 2016 #65

Each camp got a great endorsement and you have to make it vile. Shameful. riversedge Jan 2016 #2

How is that "vile"? TIA artislife Jan 2016 #15

Be happy for each campaign. No need to diss on PP riversedge Jan 2016 #36

That's impossible Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #39

I never commented on the PP endorsement. artislife Jan 2016 #42

I was addressing the Sanders fans in general Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #45

Please point a link to any Sanders fan dissing pp. Vincardog Jan 2016 #75

seriously? did you miss all the outrage against PP? one_voice Jan 2016 #84

Yeah..... Plucketeer Jan 2016 #32

Just to be clear, redgreenandblue did not make it vile Android3.14 Jan 2016 #53

Get with the program.. Sanders - good. Clinton - Bad Amimnoch Jan 2016 #104

That has been true of the union endorsements as well. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #3

You have selected option #2. Please confirm. randome Jan 2016 #4

O.k. i laughed.... vi5 Jan 2016 #6

And TODAY the SC will purposely violate the law or precedent and GUT UNIONS randys1 Jan 2016 #27

You'd think if anything would unite us, it would be this disastrous SC. randome Jan 2016 #35

+1. I strongly support Bernie, but I will avidly support whoever is our candidate in the GE. tblue37 Jan 2016 #107

Because facts matter Lazy Daisy Jan 2016 #44

Oh, so Hillary might appoint SC justices who would overturn Roe? Gut voting rights? randys1 Jan 2016 #60

Wasn't your original arguement Lazy Daisy Jan 2016 #64

So Hillary would appoint a union buster? What in anything she has done would lead to that? randys1 Jan 2016 #66

Hillary's SC would be VERY Wall Street-friendly senz Jan 2016 #67

And she is ten thousand times better than any con, you know that by now as well. randys1 Jan 2016 #69

She serves Wall Street and Wall Street is her sponsor. senz Jan 2016 #73

That you leave out the concern about SC justices supporting corporate personhood... cascadiance Jan 2016 #100

Hillary has a number of outstanding chits she may wanna cash in Trajan Jan 2016 #103

... BooScout Jan 2016 #5

. one_voice Jan 2016 #85

... BooScout Jan 2016 #96

The difference is clear. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #7

The difference, support Sanders and supports Clinton. I refuse validation, justification for war on seabeyond Jan 2016 #8

There is no "Democratic style" war on women. blackspade Jan 2016 #54

I disagree. When attack on PP resemble RW attack on PP, I say it is Democratic war on women. seabeyond Jan 2016 #59

You compare actual donors of PP voicing their discontent about management going over their heads ... redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #68

I compare vile, hateful comments attacking PP, promoting their destruction, excuse for behavior. Yes seabeyond Jan 2016 #83

The ONLY difference that matters to Bernie supporters: whoever supports Bernie is idolized. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #9

+1,000 NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #10

Yep leftofcool Jan 2016 #12

+ 1 JoePhilly Jan 2016 #24

not really vilified for me personally retrowire Jan 2016 #40

That is why we have primaries, right? haikugal Jan 2016 #58

exactly, in the end, we all agree and stand by PP retrowire Jan 2016 #70

+1 Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #105

As it is for both supporters. floriduck Jan 2016 #41

+1 BooScout Jan 2016 #72

What process did MoveOn use? Beaverhausen Jan 2016 #11

Clickety Clickety Click Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #13

Because they are so scientific and all leftofcool Jan 2016 #14

Actually, if you had been a member you would know. artislife Jan 2016 #16

They also confirmed your vote via an emailed exit poll. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #18

MoveOn has 3.1 million members. 350,000 voted after sufrommich Jan 2016 #19

Maybe the other members who didn't vote artislife Jan 2016 #20

I've been a member of MoveOn since the 2000 sElection Autumn Colors Jan 2016 #49

If I remember correctly you had to be a member prior to the ballot announcement. blackspade Jan 2016 #50

Somehow, I think deciding who to endorse was more important than whether you were impressed. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #90

10% of an organization that large is a reasonable sample size. Actually way fucking more than Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #106

Democracy? For those who bother? Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #22

"The FB brigade alone is a force to be reckoned with" Especially when attacking women. Nt seabeyond Jan 2016 #23

I actually looked up the comments on the Planned Parenthood page. Most came from women. nt redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #26

But why don't h supporters who should be Move on members not bother? artislife Jan 2016 #25

It is irrelevant and a waste of time doing a silly little internet poll. From my perspective and seabeyond Jan 2016 #28

Why bother to post on the internet? artislife Jan 2016 #29

You do not see a difference voting a poll that means nothing and having conversations? seabeyond Jan 2016 #33

Seems to be a shared group activity artislife Jan 2016 #34

Well, Thank you for taking my word this is how I go about things, anyway. seabeyond Jan 2016 #37

Not so silly when a major progressive organization wants you to vote... blackspade Jan 2016 #61

mmmmm. I would imagine it is the same relevance as having a poll on DU. Look, I have already seabeyond Jan 2016 #81

I don't know... Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #47

Well it seems like new school artislife Jan 2016 #52

What union? What was the event? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #91

I had not even realized I was a member of Move-On SheilaT Jan 2016 #38

Your implication is that Hillary actually won the MoveOn poll. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #87

I was going to blow this off Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #92

It kind of starts and ends with the word "implication", as in, you didn't say it directly. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #93

See reply 16 artislife Jan 2016 #21

Exactly and same goes for the hollow Leadership ONLY Union endorsements. DFA and MoveOn.org in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #17

I've supported both PP and MoveOn Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #30

Exactly! (nt) Autumn Colors Jan 2016 #56

They're two completely different entities in just about every way Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #31

Is anyone a 'member' of Planned Parenthood? NT Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #76

That's my point Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #80

The difference goes beyond that. blackspade Jan 2016 #43

Bull Hekate Jan 2016 #46

Their air of moral superiority is such a bore. Beacool Jan 2016 #79

Truth hurts, huh? 99Forever Jan 2016 #94

also mirrors how each candidate views government tk2kewl Jan 2016 #48

Bingo. zentrum Jan 2016 #55

Correct avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #57

MoveOn Asked Me to Cast My Vote gordyfl Jan 2016 #62

Democracy vs. Elitism. senz Jan 2016 #63

Nope, the main difference is that one group didn't endorse Sanders and therefore the drama. Beacool Jan 2016 #71

PP and MoveOn have the same constituency. senz Jan 2016 #74

Your comment looks very Socialist to me. Beacool Jan 2016 #77

Beacool, back in the 50s, 60s, 70s we called it democracy senz Jan 2016 #89

Sorry, I'm a bit young to remember those decades. Beacool Jan 2016 #95

So this is why we read and research and study history. senz Jan 2016 #97

Save the condescending remarks for someone else. Beacool Jan 2016 #98

I don't think it's possible to cut through senz Jan 2016 #99

Neither am I interested in trading insults with Sanders' supporters. Beacool Jan 2016 #101

Not so... Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #78

I think that it's insulting to PP to think that they would endorse Hillary because of Lily Adams. Beacool Jan 2016 #82

It's called an uncomfortable Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #88

Exactly the same scenario witheh UNION endorsements Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #86

Yep. Top-down authoritarianism vs. bottom-up democracy. senz Jan 2016 #102