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redqueen

(115,186 posts)
Mon May 7, 2012, 10:25 AM May 2012

What Men Say About Women When They Think You've Never Been One [View all]

http://www.bilerico.com/2012/04/what_men_say_about_women_when_they_think_youve_nev.php#.T5gnp0Qnl30.facebook

I'm a trans man who's been on hormones for about 5 months. My voice is a lot lower than it used to be, and I have a pretty cute, if wily, crop of facial hair going on. As a result, I've started passing as male pretty much all the time. It's a new thing, and it's a lot to digest.

People often ask me if I get treated differently when I'm read as male versus when I used to be read as female. Hmmmmaybe. Really, there are too many subtle wavelengths to any human interaction to know which are directly connected to how people are reading my gender.

But there is one stark and tangible difference in how the world responds to me, and that's the types of things that men (specifically cis-gendered straight men) talk to me about.

Men say horrifying and revolting things to you about women when they think you've never been one.

(More at link.)



I'm hoping, this group being what it is, that I won't be crucified for the writer's failure to stipulate that he is referring to some men, and not all men. There is an exchange about that in the comments there, if one would like to delve into those shallow waters.
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damn. in one of my Ops i was going to say.... some men. the author said men seabeyond May 2012 #1
owning B****. hm. here is more. " I was too cowardly to speak up" seabeyond May 2012 #2
Yes... but likewise when women laugh alongside men's use of such horrific terms/objectifcation... hlthe2b May 2012 #3
"being allowed into the group" again, true that seabeyond May 2012 #5
Not that you asked me, :P redqueen May 2012 #6
Yup... hlthe2b May 2012 #7
Other than simply making the most of teachable moments, redqueen May 2012 #8
"But there is one stark and tangible difference in how the world responds to me"... Little Star May 2012 #4
I was thinking about that, too. Based on what he wrote, he has just started to "pass" BlueIris May 2012 #10
Jesus Christ. #2 is vile. (Graphic warning for this post.) BlueIris May 2012 #9
How dare we point out MadrasT May 2012 #11
As promised in post #11 MadrasT May 2012 #12
Summarizes fairly well why the very concept of 'gender' is absolute bullshit. redqueen May 2012 #13
ok, so i am good. and right. i listened to the interview seabeyond May 2012 #14
ex. quit screaming like a girl.... seabeyond May 2012 #15
Society works so hard to force these differences on us. redqueen May 2012 #16
However, women (and girls) are not allowed to be angry. MadrasT May 2012 #17
anger is the only emotion men are allowed by society... one emotion...negatively in women. seabeyond May 2012 #18
goes along with this subthread. world blaming eve and the preacher blaming women.... seabeyond May 2012 #19
sorry... more. further, seabeyond May 2012 #20
I agree that MadrasT May 2012 #21
maybe some men end up fixating on sex because it is the ONLY WAY seabeyond May 2012 #22
To be fair MadrasT May 2012 #23
Self Made Man sounds like a great book. BlueIris May 2012 #25
Going to have a Wife named Rosey One_Life_To_Give May 2012 #24
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