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seabeyond

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2. owning B****. hm. here is more. " I was too cowardly to speak up"
Mon May 7, 2012, 10:35 AM
May 2012

Yes, and when you try and throw a private degradation-of-black-people party between just you and me, you're assuming that saying racially oppressive things is both less oppressive when you do it in private and also something I think is cool and fun. Neither are true.

My impression is that cis-men make these kinds of comments to me with the intention of establishing camaraderie, bringing me into the fold. I think it's an impulse towards some weird version of intimacy--establishing our common reality as "men." Unfortunately, the reality described (and produced) by the above comments is not the one I live in. I say "produced" because, for the same reason that saying n*gger in private amongst white people creates enduring racism, making these kinds of disgusting comments about women amongst "just men" (which, as a category, is less coherent when I'm included) creates enduring sexism. Our words become our thoughts, which become our habits.

In almost all the examples above, I was too cowardly to speak up against the offending commenters. I was scared of outing myself as trans, and also scared of how these men would react if I rejected what I think amounts to a bizarro form of hospitality - an invitation into the clubhouse.

That's not ok, and this is my commitment to change my behavior. We all need to make a commitment not to tacitly condone these private oppressive rituals of maleness, whether as trans men, as cis-men, as women, and everyone else. Yes, I have roots as a female-bodied and female-identified person, but you don't need to have history as a woman to respect women.

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understanding that it is a way of male camaraderie, that is exactly why he was too cowardly to stand up. and why many men dont. they feel that if internally they dont agree, or are even bothered, then they are not a part. but the silence allows the continual cycle.

good article.

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damn. in one of my Ops i was going to say.... some men. the author said men seabeyond May 2012 #1
owning B****. hm. here is more. " I was too cowardly to speak up" seabeyond May 2012 #2
Yes... but likewise when women laugh alongside men's use of such horrific terms/objectifcation... hlthe2b May 2012 #3
"being allowed into the group" again, true that seabeyond May 2012 #5
Not that you asked me, :P redqueen May 2012 #6
Yup... hlthe2b May 2012 #7
Other than simply making the most of teachable moments, redqueen May 2012 #8
"But there is one stark and tangible difference in how the world responds to me"... Little Star May 2012 #4
I was thinking about that, too. Based on what he wrote, he has just started to "pass" BlueIris May 2012 #10
Jesus Christ. #2 is vile. (Graphic warning for this post.) BlueIris May 2012 #9
How dare we point out MadrasT May 2012 #11
As promised in post #11 MadrasT May 2012 #12
Summarizes fairly well why the very concept of 'gender' is absolute bullshit. redqueen May 2012 #13
ok, so i am good. and right. i listened to the interview seabeyond May 2012 #14
ex. quit screaming like a girl.... seabeyond May 2012 #15
Society works so hard to force these differences on us. redqueen May 2012 #16
However, women (and girls) are not allowed to be angry. MadrasT May 2012 #17
anger is the only emotion men are allowed by society... one emotion...negatively in women. seabeyond May 2012 #18
goes along with this subthread. world blaming eve and the preacher blaming women.... seabeyond May 2012 #19
sorry... more. further, seabeyond May 2012 #20
I agree that MadrasT May 2012 #21
maybe some men end up fixating on sex because it is the ONLY WAY seabeyond May 2012 #22
To be fair MadrasT May 2012 #23
Self Made Man sounds like a great book. BlueIris May 2012 #25
Going to have a Wife named Rosey One_Life_To_Give May 2012 #24
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