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redqueen

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2. These are 'debate' tactics that all feminists must be prepared to counter, *not kowtow to*...
Thu May 24, 2012, 06:34 AM
May 2012

let alone start to parrot such nonsense themselves out of some misguided sense of 'fairness'. Gosh, wouldn't the repigs love for us to start to treat their hairbrained, idiotic exuses for 'arguments' as if they had any validity whatsoever?

It also reminds me of Little Star's OP about misogynist language, from Shakesville, where we see this nugget of golden, shining truth:

http://www.shakesville.com/2007/11/on-bitch-and-other-misogynist-language.html

B. Not a Misogynist. How often does one have to use misogynistic language before one can be identified as a misogynist? Twenty times? A hundred? An infinite number of times, as long as he doesn't beat women? During the "cunt/whore" dust-up recounted here, Piny wrote a great post addressing this very question:

I wholeheartedly agree that there is a difference between someone who posts an ill-conceived blackface photoshop caricature and, say, Nathan Bedford Forrest. I will also happily concede that there is a difference between someone who openly identifies as feminist but casually uses misogynistic slurs and graphic misogynistic riffs to deride people–women in particular–and, say, John Knox.

This does not mean that it’s a good idea to restrict “a racist,” “a sexist,” and “a misogynist,” to the very worst of the worst. … It reduces complaints about all of these words to matters of personal affront, such that “sexist” and “cunt” are equated. “Sexist” becomes not a criticism of someone’s demonstrated beliefs, a term like “reactionary,” but an epithet as crude as the slurs to which it responds. It’s mean and unfair to call someone a sexist.


Emphasis mine.

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How to spot a misogynist [View all] boston bean May 2012 OP
Nice. MadrasT May 2012 #1
These are 'debate' tactics that all feminists must be prepared to counter, *not kowtow to*... redqueen May 2012 #2
. seabeyond May 2012 #3
^^^ This... absolutely hlthe2b May 2012 #12
The 'If you want to see real oppression, go to the Middle East' line... Violet_Crumble May 2012 #4
my father in law thought he would be brilliant for us all and gave that to me. seabeyond May 2012 #14
Homophobes love to toss that one out there all the time, when anyone supportive bullwinkle428 May 2012 #25
Yep, all of it is so interrelated. boston bean May 2012 #51
A misogynist is someone who... Baitball Blogger May 2012 #5
Are you disagreeing with the OP? boston bean May 2012 #7
Boston Bean, Baitball Blogger May 2012 #8
it was a simple question, that is all. boston bean May 2012 #9
For the most part I was respecting your opinion, Baitball Blogger May 2012 #11
I also agree, they are closely related. boston bean May 2012 #13
There really wasn't much to disagree with. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #20
Point # 3 was pointing out a misogynist POV boston bean May 2012 #37
For crying out loud! I got it! I understood your point! Baitball Blogger May 2012 #47
No, I don't see any defensiveness. boston bean May 2012 #49
i would have asked, too. i like to ask a question when i am not sure, rather seabeyond May 2012 #16
Normally I would not reply to this kind of post zeemike May 2012 #22
we see a huge escalation of the hate both toward women and minority. how long do we allow to fester seabeyond May 2012 #26
Yep that is it....I am trying to silence you by appealing to reason and love. zeemike May 2012 #38
discussion is a fun thing. as is respect. even when we disagree. i thought your comments seabeyond May 2012 #39
Well of course what I said is divisive zeemike May 2012 #42
that was not what i was pointing out on meeting the goal. i have no problem disagreeing on an issue seabeyond May 2012 #45
At no point did I suggest that you be silent...never did and never will. zeemike May 2012 #55
grinnin.... it really isnt that big a deal. seabeyond May 2012 #63
I absolutely know what you mean. rhett o rick May 2012 #40
How can you not appreciate someone that makes decisions for you? easy seabeyond May 2012 #43
Sadly there are still those in society that think rhett o rick May 2012 #50
tougher decisions women have to make, like how to wear their hair, seabeyond May 2012 #52
His wife appears to appreciate it. nm rhett o rick May 2012 #66
i see it. i am not going to judge on that. unless there is something hurtful... seabeyond May 2012 #68
Personally, I dont think she is happy. But this is her second husband rhett o rick May 2012 #76
ya, and then there is the bother. i hear ya. and i am sorry for her seabeyond May 2012 #78
i was thinking about your post. and my son popped into my mind. not gender specific seabeyond May 2012 #60
Well, I don't know many feminists who Baitball Blogger May 2012 #54
That has always been a huge turn off for me. boston bean May 2012 #56
i had more men tell me they were attracted because i was independent and self sufficient seabeyond May 2012 #65
You are right! Some still think that is thoughtful and.. Little Star May 2012 #62
oh, i wonder what a wait staff thinks when i am in a chinese restaurant not knowing what i want seabeyond May 2012 #67
Wonder what the wait staff thought when... Little Star May 2012 #77
see.... that, yes. we cannot always assume what we see with our eyes seabeyond May 2012 #80
Thanks Sea. Your a nice person.... Little Star May 2012 #83
I am sorry for your loss, Little Star MadrasT May 2012 #81
Thank you MadrasT. Little Star May 2012 #101
I agree that there are plenty of occasions where someone (male or female) made need rhett o rick May 2012 #74
Yes he will. And he probably won't understand why she objected either. Little Star May 2012 #79
Oh he will think he understands. rhett o rick May 2012 #86
lol. How true. Little Star May 2012 #98
K&R nt Chorophyll May 2012 #6
An other one: Mass May 2012 #10
That is another! boston bean May 2012 #15
n/t JustAnotherGen May 2012 #18
and more young women are in college getting their degree, after all. lol. yes. nt seabeyond May 2012 #24
I know a misogynist DaveJ May 2012 #17
I think this query falls under bullet point #2. nt boston bean May 2012 #19
Whoops, I missed that DaveJ May 2012 #21
No worries. As you can see boston bean May 2012 #23
My rule of thumb on discrimination DaveJ May 2012 #30
Read #5 for your last point. boston bean May 2012 #32
Maybe he feels threatened by a woman with the same level of knowledge he has...... secondwind May 2012 #28
i have found that to be a HUGE deal. and per the post you are responding to, i have found seabeyond May 2012 #31
They have more knowledge, I'm pretty sure DaveJ May 2012 #33
women are taught fromt he cradle to be differential, appease, be nice. not all women hold onto this seabeyond May 2012 #36
On that note: chervilant May 2012 #34
Everyone can agree that mysogynists are cads... no need to debate secondwind May 2012 #27
Well, now, chervilant May 2012 #29
it is when the respect goes both ways that their is true communication and growth seabeyond May 2012 #35
Indeed, the respect must go both ways... chervilant May 2012 #48
+1 Little Star May 2012 #102
sticks and stones RitchieRich May 2012 #41
That isn't what the OP is saying. redqueen May 2012 #44
people adore simplicity. boston bean May 2012 #46
This is the crux of it right here MadrasT May 2012 #53
feminists are expected to carve out a niche boston bean May 2012 #57
They are the same ones who say MadrasT May 2012 #58
or call you defensive. boston bean May 2012 #59
its hard not to feel targeted... RitchieRich May 2012 #85
i love this post ritchierich. seabeyond May 2012 #87
thanks RitchieRich May 2012 #89
not about hero.... lol seabeyond May 2012 #90
Ritchie we all live it and breathe it every day boston bean May 2012 #91
... RitchieRich May 2012 #94
Glad to have you commenting here ritchie. boston bean May 2012 #96
Yep! Little Star May 2012 #103
I often get accused of misogny for treating women the same as I do men. ieoeja May 2012 #61
This is a puzzler: MadrasT May 2012 #69
It depends on if the words are coming from a place of privilege. boston bean May 2012 #71
Right. Exactly. n/t MadrasT May 2012 #72
i have to wonder what the comments are that he finds banter, yet the women finds misogynist seabeyond May 2012 #73
Hmmmmm MadrasT May 2012 #75
you are so funny, and so great. i have enjoyed you and your experiences seabeyond May 2012 #82
Ha MadrasT May 2012 #84
lol loll lol. gonna think about seabeyond May 2012 #88
No I'm sorry, but you most likely are accused OFTEN of being a misogynist MerryBlooms May 2012 #99
Being male chervilant May 2012 #64
'dominant' gender to respect a 'submissive' gender, when 'power over' is glorified? seabeyond May 2012 #70
I've heard about "The War Against Women" boston bean May 2012 #92
i love my kindle.... you too. uh oh. now i get to give you the titles of the books i loved on my seabeyond May 2012 #93
As I'm sure you're aware, chervilant May 2012 #95
Thank you.. boston bean May 2012 #97
Points 2-4 are absolute bullshit on stilts. hifiguy May 2012 #100
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