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BainsBane

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114. Here we have the crux of the matter

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:23 PM

Nov 2013

Everything is about them. Our lives are entirely insignificant. We want to punish men by making it a little harder for them to watch women being raped and mutilated.
What kind of world is it that women object to being raped and dismembered for male enjoyment, whether those videos are reenactments or as real as the producers claim. If you do a search you will see that rape porn is billed as being entirely real. Its viewers want to think it's real, whether it is or not. It's bad enough snuff porn is illegal. Now we want to cut down on rape? The horror. Evidently those individuals think men by their very nature thrive off fantasies of being violent predators. It seems to me they have a far more negative of their own gender than we do. This thread shows how many good men there are who actually like women, something defenders of extreme rape porn cannot possibly imagine.

I haven't read anything in that thread since yesterday and am simply ignoring the yellow tabs. Even yesterday I only read a couple of responses. I know members who have been on DU for longer than I have done the rape porn battle before. That was my effort. Now I'm done. The only positive thing that came from that thread is they have exposed exactly what they are, in case anyone had any lingering doubts.

Edit: I lied. I just went to bookmark that thread so I don't lose track of the rape porn defenders, and read a post where someone accused me of trivializing rape by objecting to rape porn, and insisted I didn't know what consent was. Evidently consent is something now determined only by men.

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Fucking creeps [View all] ismnotwasm Nov 2013 OP

with the safe search filter off BainsBane Nov 2013 #1

Yup ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #2

The same folks who find it an outrage to talk about actual violence against women BainsBane Nov 2013 #3

I noticed that ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #4

" just looks like a pervert asshole." yup, seabeyond Nov 2013 #8

Yeah, I posted on the monster thread KitSileya Nov 2013 #5

Not just rape porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #6

what is beyond stupid is the lazy argument, what about watching a horror movie? jacking off to a seabeyond Nov 2013 #9

Exactly. How can they think that those watching aren't affected? KitSileya Nov 2013 #10

we have a whole nation in japan where the youth think real sex is ick... but they have their vending seabeyond Nov 2013 #11

Excellent point about Fox, Sea. BainsBane Nov 2013 #12

OMG...Is that true?...Jeebus...My hubby works for an old Japanese company (pharmaceutical) and whathehell Nov 2013 #91

yes. it is hard to believe a nation would allow, promoting the rape of girls, BUT... seabeyond Nov 2013 #94

You actually got posts HIDDEN for that?...For fuck's sake, if it involves MINORS, how can whathehell Nov 2013 #103

well. you know me. i may have been a bit.... blunt. lol seabeyond Nov 2013 #104

The hide on that OP was especially absurd BainsBane Nov 2013 #110

jury stated i need to go into ATA and talk to skinner about grown men buying schoolgirls soiled seabeyond Nov 2013 #112

Oh, I posted something in regard to that BainsBane Nov 2013 #115

It amazes me how they can justify their whack off porn smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #102

dominance and control thru humiliation gives them superiority allowing to maintain seabeyond Nov 2013 #105

^^ this is excellent ^^ nt TBF Nov 2013 #184

because they refuse to think about the lives of the women in that porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #106

Yeah, fucking creeps pretty much says it all. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #150

Oh, but they respect their "choices" BainsBane Nov 2013 #152

Thanks BainsBane! smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #161

You're welcome BainsBane Nov 2013 #162

smirkey.. i have missed you. good seeing you in here saying... ya seabeyond Nov 2013 #153

Thank you! And thank you for always fighting the good fight! smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #160

fuckin creeps. point. .... fuckin creeps. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #7

link, please Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #17

That thread is HUGE gollygee Nov 2013 #13

I logged off after I read that thread Tien1985 Nov 2013 #53

I love you BainsBane Nov 2013 #57

i know. we fall in love incredibly easy. a man gets it.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #60

I know. BainsBane Nov 2013 #62

i know, lmao. and i really do mean it when i say it, cause love is very easy to hand out. seabeyond Nov 2013 #63

How soon they forget BainsBane Nov 2013 #64

ha hahahahaha. lol. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #66

he is a doll. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #67

this guy huh? it is, isnt it. fess up. ya. seabeyond Nov 2013 #65

Yep BainsBane Nov 2013 #68

respect. not needing to humiliated, degrade, demand submissivenes. ya. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #69

.. ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #73

Thanks, Tien...Women, especially feminists here, need all the support we can get! whathehell Nov 2013 #92

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #151

The biggest lie here is this is about "consenting adults." duffyduff Nov 2013 #14

exactly. but, what would that make them if they had to recognize reality? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #19

Because "free speech" is equivalent to MadrasT Nov 2013 #15

That's because it's posturing bullshit ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #16

"Which is fetishizing rape, and if so, all their arguments fall like dominos." MadrasT Nov 2013 #18

The issue is that for some BainsBane Nov 2013 #44

Same here, almost exactly. n/t He loved Big Brother Nov 2013 #167

another problem, defining rape fantasy as rape. it is not. there is nothing about rape fantasy seabeyond Nov 2013 #22

we went from fantasized rape that isnt rape can be fun, to rape is fun. seabeyond Nov 2013 #23

yes, posturing Bullshit. strutting and preening like old roosters in the barnyard Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #164

problem is they say it trumps, oh, say.. sex slaves that lose all freedom and voice and repeatedly seabeyond Nov 2013 #21

+1 gollygee Nov 2013 #25

in real life -- Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #163

The Usual Suspects are simply rationalizing personal desires over both personal safety... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #20

well said. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #24

Democrats are all about the collective good... MadrasT Nov 2013 #31

this. and it is so blatantly in face i do not know how they try to pull it off with a straight face seabeyond Nov 2013 #33

Until it comes to women BainsBane Nov 2013 #72

So true! The rationalization is just laughable. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #154

But, but, but 50 Shades of Gray. Teh wimminz likes that! nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #46

a partial list of the things I simply will not do.... mike_c Nov 2013 #26

ummmm. some of us in here might be a bit bothered using the womans seabeyond Nov 2013 #27

I know.... mike_c Nov 2013 #30

dont be sorry. i personally appreciate seabeyond Nov 2013 #32

It's all good ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #34

While I am generally loath to restrict freedom of expression in any way... Deep13 Nov 2013 #28

exactly. well said. i haev listened about production to. fact is, though, trafficking seabeyond Nov 2013 #29

Sounds like the equivalent of a snuff film, with its unwilling participants. Deep13 Nov 2013 #35

see. that is what really floors me. seabeyond Nov 2013 #36

Apparently, oppression based on race, religion, or ethnicity... Deep13 Nov 2013 #37

probably. we have enough evidence. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #38

Nah, it's just because evolution. MadrasT Nov 2013 #39

I actually love the fact the evo-psych is being ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #40

yes it is. unfortunately, everyone that wanted/needed an excuse grabbed on tight and wont let go. seabeyond Nov 2013 #41

And before I forget... "fucking creeps" is about as accurate a description as possible. nt LanternWaste Nov 2013 #42

i love when you so undo the tie and unbutton that top button, ... seabeyond Nov 2013 #43

I get as much as kick out of it as you do! LanternWaste Nov 2013 #81

ya? seabeyond Nov 2013 #82

I'll take your word for it--even if I had the stomach to see that crap, I share geek tragedy Nov 2013 #45

no thanks to the possibility of explaining that one. seabeyond Nov 2013 #47

You have amused me greatly! Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #48

ohhhh. isnt that stupid of me. seabeyond Nov 2013 #49

Sheldon's mama is hilarious. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #50

she is, she is a hoot. a fav seabeyond Nov 2013 #51

Sheldon is my hero. MadrasT Nov 2013 #52

i so.... see it. lol. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #54

There's definitely a little Sheldon in all of us. Dash87 Nov 2013 #59

.. ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #55

They gave me a migraine BainsBane Nov 2013 #56

No thanks :/ Dash87 Nov 2013 #58

it really is making feel better, the men saying... no thanks. lol. sigh.... nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #61

Me too BainsBane Nov 2013 #70

it works. this is what i am saying. yes. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #71

Did you see we supposedly believe all porn depicts only women? BainsBane Nov 2013 #74

Well said! ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #75

Yet someone accused the feminists of heterosexism BainsBane Nov 2013 #76

outrage on discussions of violence and women, unyielding support for the most brutal forms of rape p seabeyond Nov 2013 #78

Thank you! Demand creates supply, not the other way around. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #155

Nope, not going to and you can't make me. Warpy Nov 2013 #77

why would a man get off on a woman being put into a meat grinder? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #79

Because, deep down (some less deep) they hate our guts?..Backlash to feminism, too, I'd say. whathehell Nov 2013 #83

yup. and has had a quater of a century to fester. and here we sit. jack off to rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #84

I'm not sure what you mean about whathehell Nov 2013 #85

from what i understand in the massive struction of the sex trade, on line porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #87

so yes, went from the fake role play, to rape is fun. seabeyond Nov 2013 #88

Jeebus..I forgot about the Sex Trafficking...Yes, that sounds credible. whathehell Nov 2013 #89

I tend to think it is far less centralized than that BainsBane Nov 2013 #98

Yes, there is actual rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #96

That was over the top satire and a reaction against "ugly" feminists protesting beauty pageants Warpy Nov 2013 #90

yea, i get it is a giggle to stick a dick in a womans mouth to shut her up. i laugh all over the seabeyond Nov 2013 #93

Obviously because they hate women BainsBane Nov 2013 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #80

I agree completely and I'm sick of these sick fucks trying to avoid that characterization whathehell Nov 2013 #86

I find it quaint that they complain people called them rape apoligists BainsBane Nov 2013 #97

The reason I asked you if you read Susan Brownmiller's "Against Our Will" is because she deals with whathehell Nov 2013 #101

Was that in the rape porn thread? BainsBane Nov 2013 #107

ah ha. who was that. that is funny. hmmm. well, i have my theory on that one seabeyond Nov 2013 #109

I think so, yeah...but it was the last thing I posted there, I believe, so you may not have seen it. whathehell Nov 2013 #111

i listen to jensen. he is very good. he is a professor out of UT in austin texas, right? seabeyond Nov 2013 #113

Yes, I believe that's the guy.. whathehell Nov 2013 #117

Here we have the crux of the matter BainsBane Nov 2013 #114

It absolutely amazes me MadrasT Nov 2013 #116

Yes...Some years back, two feminists, Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin, I believe whathehell Nov 2013 #118

I am thouroughly repulsed to the point where I am considering celibacy as a way of life. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #157

Exactly right. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with someone who actually gets turned on smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #156

Hey, did you all see this? BainsBane Nov 2013 #99

A jury let that stand? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #100

While fat insults against Chris Christie are hidden 6-0 BainsBane Nov 2013 #108

You didn't see it? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #119

But a jury won't think twice BainsBane Nov 2013 #120

Sigh. Yeah, you're probably right. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #121

Not gonna happen BainsBane Nov 2013 #122

Question BainsBane Nov 2013 #123

No ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #124

ya. that is what i feel. a man into the rape porn doesnt want to hear so many films he is seabeyond Nov 2013 #125

That is a bizarre answer in that link. duffyduff Nov 2013 #133

i guess my concluding response would be. NO. you can not make rape porn a norm. seabeyond Nov 2013 #126

but on DU it's a civil right BainsBane Nov 2013 #129

I'm wading into the cesspool that is the follow-up thread. KitSileya Nov 2013 #127

Thank you, but I must stop BainsBane Nov 2013 #128

Yeah, I was wondering how long you'd be able to "wade in the cesspool." KitSileya Nov 2013 #130

Where do you live? BainsBane Nov 2013 #131

Yeah, Norway. KitSileya Nov 2013 #132

that is why i cannot do these threads anymore. same ole argument. ignore. repeat. seabeyond Nov 2013 #134

I didn't see that thread BainsBane Nov 2013 #135

you guys talk about the movies. and how the rape in movies is used to repulse. seabeyond Nov 2013 #138

It's moronic ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #136

What it is BainsBane Nov 2013 #137

Not surprising considering so many of them are selfish fucking pigs, smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #158

do you know the most offensive i think. some of us have been raped. knowing ... men are getting off seabeyond Nov 2013 #139

Good point ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #140

They don't shut up about that BainsBane Nov 2013 #142

Their personal BDSM activity is a *completely* different subject. MadrasT Nov 2013 #144

Exactly. How is it that something like that can't penetrate the consciousness BainsBane Nov 2013 #141

That's the thing ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #145

+10,000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #159

I cannot do it Tumbulu Nov 2013 #143

ick BainsBane Nov 2013 #146

Yeah ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #147

It's all about justifying sexual predation and an industry that eroticizes it BainsBane Nov 2013 #148

I'm so glad I didn't get involved in any of those threads. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #149

Fuck this pitbullgirl1965 Nov 2013 #165

lynching, seriously? BainsBane Nov 2013 #166

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #185

4-2, better than no hide BainsBane Nov 2013 #186

It's really frustrating gollygee Nov 2013 #168

i spent a lot of time and posts the there night drawing the picture of a difference between men and seabeyond Nov 2013 #169

There are men who like to be acted upon gollygee Nov 2013 #171

ask them about rape in film and htey are ALL over the dilverance film. not rape scenes of women seabeyond Nov 2013 #173

I know that isn't as common gollygee Nov 2013 #175

it is in our movies. i have seen two movies where they take a horrible rape and sexualize, eroticize seabeyond Nov 2013 #177

One person who insists the very concept of rape culture is "absurd" BainsBane Nov 2013 #179

yup. and another poster was flabbergasted i would think sex with a consenting 13 yr old in animal seabeyond Nov 2013 #180

Are you serious? BainsBane Nov 2013 #181

i do not bother with alerts much. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #182

The fact they have been told all that BainsBane Nov 2013 #170

I'm trying to figure out just what they're thinking gollygee Nov 2013 #172

They see is as about sexual liberty vs. authoritarianism BainsBane Nov 2013 #174

Rape is the antithesis of sexual liberty gollygee Nov 2013 #176

Obviously I don't agree BainsBane Nov 2013 #178

Perfect du-finition of "straw"! lol nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #183

And now we have people claiming that having "sex" with a drunk person isn't rape. KitSileya Nov 2013 #187