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MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
75. Hmmmmm
Thu May 24, 2012, 10:33 AM
May 2012
your man seems to be heavily immersed in the conditioned roles of gender defining masculinity and femininity, man/woman, which is an odd place for you to sit seeing who you are.


It is very odd. It took him 6 months to decide if he could even have a relationship with someone who biologically is, and looks like, a woman but identifies as "nongendered"... because somehow he is really attached to needing a woman to express and embody "the feminine" sometimes.

We talk about gender, gender identity, and gender roles all the time.

If the relationship doesn't work out, he sure has learned a lot about gender anyway, LOL.

I really like him and he is a solid progressive with a good heart. So we just keep talking about it.

My last boyfriend also identified as "nongendered" so we were like peas in a pod. Gender and gender roles never came up. That was nice in one way, but almost too comfortable because my ideas about gender were never challenged and I never had to think about it at all.

Not sure which is better. It is what it is, I guess.

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How to spot a misogynist [View all] boston bean May 2012 OP
Nice. MadrasT May 2012 #1
These are 'debate' tactics that all feminists must be prepared to counter, *not kowtow to*... redqueen May 2012 #2
. seabeyond May 2012 #3
^^^ This... absolutely hlthe2b May 2012 #12
The 'If you want to see real oppression, go to the Middle East' line... Violet_Crumble May 2012 #4
my father in law thought he would be brilliant for us all and gave that to me. seabeyond May 2012 #14
Homophobes love to toss that one out there all the time, when anyone supportive bullwinkle428 May 2012 #25
Yep, all of it is so interrelated. boston bean May 2012 #51
A misogynist is someone who... Baitball Blogger May 2012 #5
Are you disagreeing with the OP? boston bean May 2012 #7
Boston Bean, Baitball Blogger May 2012 #8
it was a simple question, that is all. boston bean May 2012 #9
For the most part I was respecting your opinion, Baitball Blogger May 2012 #11
I also agree, they are closely related. boston bean May 2012 #13
There really wasn't much to disagree with. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #20
Point # 3 was pointing out a misogynist POV boston bean May 2012 #37
For crying out loud! I got it! I understood your point! Baitball Blogger May 2012 #47
No, I don't see any defensiveness. boston bean May 2012 #49
i would have asked, too. i like to ask a question when i am not sure, rather seabeyond May 2012 #16
Normally I would not reply to this kind of post zeemike May 2012 #22
we see a huge escalation of the hate both toward women and minority. how long do we allow to fester seabeyond May 2012 #26
Yep that is it....I am trying to silence you by appealing to reason and love. zeemike May 2012 #38
discussion is a fun thing. as is respect. even when we disagree. i thought your comments seabeyond May 2012 #39
Well of course what I said is divisive zeemike May 2012 #42
that was not what i was pointing out on meeting the goal. i have no problem disagreeing on an issue seabeyond May 2012 #45
At no point did I suggest that you be silent...never did and never will. zeemike May 2012 #55
grinnin.... it really isnt that big a deal. seabeyond May 2012 #63
I absolutely know what you mean. rhett o rick May 2012 #40
How can you not appreciate someone that makes decisions for you? easy seabeyond May 2012 #43
Sadly there are still those in society that think rhett o rick May 2012 #50
tougher decisions women have to make, like how to wear their hair, seabeyond May 2012 #52
His wife appears to appreciate it. nm rhett o rick May 2012 #66
i see it. i am not going to judge on that. unless there is something hurtful... seabeyond May 2012 #68
Personally, I dont think she is happy. But this is her second husband rhett o rick May 2012 #76
ya, and then there is the bother. i hear ya. and i am sorry for her seabeyond May 2012 #78
i was thinking about your post. and my son popped into my mind. not gender specific seabeyond May 2012 #60
Well, I don't know many feminists who Baitball Blogger May 2012 #54
That has always been a huge turn off for me. boston bean May 2012 #56
i had more men tell me they were attracted because i was independent and self sufficient seabeyond May 2012 #65
You are right! Some still think that is thoughtful and.. Little Star May 2012 #62
oh, i wonder what a wait staff thinks when i am in a chinese restaurant not knowing what i want seabeyond May 2012 #67
Wonder what the wait staff thought when... Little Star May 2012 #77
see.... that, yes. we cannot always assume what we see with our eyes seabeyond May 2012 #80
Thanks Sea. Your a nice person.... Little Star May 2012 #83
I am sorry for your loss, Little Star MadrasT May 2012 #81
Thank you MadrasT. Little Star May 2012 #101
I agree that there are plenty of occasions where someone (male or female) made need rhett o rick May 2012 #74
Yes he will. And he probably won't understand why she objected either. Little Star May 2012 #79
Oh he will think he understands. rhett o rick May 2012 #86
lol. How true. Little Star May 2012 #98
K&R nt Chorophyll May 2012 #6
An other one: Mass May 2012 #10
That is another! boston bean May 2012 #15
n/t JustAnotherGen May 2012 #18
and more young women are in college getting their degree, after all. lol. yes. nt seabeyond May 2012 #24
I know a misogynist DaveJ May 2012 #17
I think this query falls under bullet point #2. nt boston bean May 2012 #19
Whoops, I missed that DaveJ May 2012 #21
No worries. As you can see boston bean May 2012 #23
My rule of thumb on discrimination DaveJ May 2012 #30
Read #5 for your last point. boston bean May 2012 #32
Maybe he feels threatened by a woman with the same level of knowledge he has...... secondwind May 2012 #28
i have found that to be a HUGE deal. and per the post you are responding to, i have found seabeyond May 2012 #31
They have more knowledge, I'm pretty sure DaveJ May 2012 #33
women are taught fromt he cradle to be differential, appease, be nice. not all women hold onto this seabeyond May 2012 #36
On that note: chervilant May 2012 #34
Everyone can agree that mysogynists are cads... no need to debate secondwind May 2012 #27
Well, now, chervilant May 2012 #29
it is when the respect goes both ways that their is true communication and growth seabeyond May 2012 #35
Indeed, the respect must go both ways... chervilant May 2012 #48
+1 Little Star May 2012 #102
sticks and stones RitchieRich May 2012 #41
That isn't what the OP is saying. redqueen May 2012 #44
people adore simplicity. boston bean May 2012 #46
This is the crux of it right here MadrasT May 2012 #53
feminists are expected to carve out a niche boston bean May 2012 #57
They are the same ones who say MadrasT May 2012 #58
or call you defensive. boston bean May 2012 #59
its hard not to feel targeted... RitchieRich May 2012 #85
i love this post ritchierich. seabeyond May 2012 #87
thanks RitchieRich May 2012 #89
not about hero.... lol seabeyond May 2012 #90
Ritchie we all live it and breathe it every day boston bean May 2012 #91
... RitchieRich May 2012 #94
Glad to have you commenting here ritchie. boston bean May 2012 #96
Yep! Little Star May 2012 #103
I often get accused of misogny for treating women the same as I do men. ieoeja May 2012 #61
This is a puzzler: MadrasT May 2012 #69
It depends on if the words are coming from a place of privilege. boston bean May 2012 #71
Right. Exactly. n/t MadrasT May 2012 #72
i have to wonder what the comments are that he finds banter, yet the women finds misogynist seabeyond May 2012 #73
Hmmmmm MadrasT May 2012 #75
you are so funny, and so great. i have enjoyed you and your experiences seabeyond May 2012 #82
Ha MadrasT May 2012 #84
lol loll lol. gonna think about seabeyond May 2012 #88
No I'm sorry, but you most likely are accused OFTEN of being a misogynist MerryBlooms May 2012 #99
Being male chervilant May 2012 #64
'dominant' gender to respect a 'submissive' gender, when 'power over' is glorified? seabeyond May 2012 #70
I've heard about "The War Against Women" boston bean May 2012 #92
i love my kindle.... you too. uh oh. now i get to give you the titles of the books i loved on my seabeyond May 2012 #93
As I'm sure you're aware, chervilant May 2012 #95
Thank you.. boston bean May 2012 #97
Points 2-4 are absolute bullshit on stilts. hifiguy May 2012 #100
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