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In reply to the discussion: Fucking creeps [View all]gollygee
(22,336 posts)They're talking about something completely different than what I'm talking about. They keep talking about BDSM and safe words. If there's a safe word, it isn't rape. The only way BDSM would be relevant would be if someone ignored the safe word and kept going beyond the boundary. That would be like what I'm talking about.
If these videos are being sold as real rape, whether they are or not, then that means that someone finds "real rape" to be a selling point. They are wanting to watch a real rape. That is a problem.
And there were people saying, "So if women have rape fantasies, it's bad, but if men have rape fantasies it's ok?" Either they completely don't get it, or they're scary. What women have is more like BDSM fantasies with a safe word. They play with the idea of control and dominance, but they are in a safe place. If any partner fantasizes about that kind of play, with a safe word, where there is consent and no one would go past anyone's boundaries, then it isn't a rape fantasy. If anyone, of any gender, fantasizes about forcing someone to do something sexual against their will, then that is a problem. Are these guys saying that they fantasize about BDSM with women, or are they saying they fantasize about raping women? If rape is the fantasy - if that's the pinnacle of sexual enjoyment for them - if that's what they dream of doing - then I'm really disturbed by that. I hope that's not what anyone is saying, and I don't think it is or they wouldn't deny the survey that 56% of college men said they'd rape if they could get away with it.
So I assume we're actually talking past each other to some point, or at least I hope so. They aren't actually saying it's cool for people to want to commit the act of rape?
And watching people get raped isn't like shoot-em-up games because people playing those aren't fantasizing about killing people. They're into shooting, but it's obviously fake, and if it were advertised as actually people getting killed (whether true or not) people would find it disturbing and wouldn't enjoy it.
One other thing. We can't be too surprised if phonographic videos are being marketed as being actual scenes of real rapes, and then people (such as the kids in Steubenville but they aren't alone in this) are videotaping themselves and their friends as raping and thinking it's totally fine to do that.