History of Feminism

Squinch

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9. Bjorn, I am a woman and I had pretty much the same trajectory as you when I got here.

Sun Feb 23, 2014, 08:42 AM

Feb 2014

I am sure there are many, many more of us out there.

I'd see posts from members and think, "Whoa! That's harsh!" Over time, I saw that any harshness from people here was only a reaction to hate, or a response to long term relentless baiting. I also saw any single true harshness from HoFers being dredged up for months and months and months as being unacceptable and horrifying, while absolutely outrageously sexist comments and name calling toward HoFers was cheered.

When you step back, the things these women are saying are not revolutionary, are not unreasonable, are not even all that unusual. They boil down to, "We insist on being treated as people." DU ought to be able to do that.

I think, in threads, I always saw you as someone who was strongly supporting that very reasonable position.

Thank you for this OP.

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I used to think people in this group exaggerated the level of misogyny on this site... [View all] Bjorn Against Feb 2014 OP

There is a fair amount of misandry too.. pipoman Feb 2014 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author MadrasT Feb 2014 #4

If misandry was a serious problem I think that as a man I would have felt it Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #5

+1. nt Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #6

Quite a few women don't share the pipoman Feb 2014 #7

I don't think people who look at the swimsuit issue are necessarilly misogynistic... Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #10

And quite a few do. And have been very vocal about the fact that they do. And when I say Squinch Feb 2014 #12

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Feb 2014 #189

Please read about Edward Bernays, chervilant Feb 2014 #15

Interesting. I have "The Century of the Self" but haven't watched it yet. arcane1 Feb 2014 #151

Please, chervilant Feb 2014 #180

And there are "quite a few" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #35

There are? merrily Feb 2014 #209

Clarence Thomas ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #211

I get your point about Thomas and, if I am honest, merrily Feb 2014 #246

Maybe, I exaggerated in ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #247

I think this line from your link hits the nail on the head: merrily Feb 2014 #248

..and Allen West does not believe African Americans have been discriminated against... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #39

I counted five BainsBane Feb 2014 #110

But, but, it was posted by a WOMAN! So the menz are not even involved!!1 PassingFair Feb 2014 #141

The real issue is whether a T & A photo belongs on a progressive political site pnwmom Feb 2014 #142

They've had at least three thread of HOT Celebs threads boston bean Feb 2014 #144

LOL. Yeah, it would be terrible if they got derailed into actually thinking. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #145

OMG.....I didn't even know those existed...Holy shit....it's even worse than I thought.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #202

spoken like someone who has never really felt either.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #154

+1 eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #26

thank you, bjorn against. I don't like anger directed at men either. What really roguevalley Feb 2014 #124

they think just saying "White Male Privilege" is "misandry" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #153

LOL Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #13

and right on cue. . . . niyad Feb 2014 #21

No, that's just your privilege slipping away. paleotn Feb 2014 #24

'Bad for others = good for me' is flawed logic pipoman Feb 2014 #32

This line of argument is creeping into MRA ideology. boston bean Feb 2014 #85

OK Boston I could not agree with your more. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #99

Instead of taking it personally that a feminist means boston bean Feb 2014 #108

that's exactly what I was thinking passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #175

but, if you direct your comment to an individual then that person alerts and Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #236

If it is meant as a personal insult passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #244

if the truth is insulting then perhaps that poster needs step back and review their own post Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #245

This same argument came up in a thread about white privilege. I am white. Strangely enough, Squinch Feb 2014 #226

Actually, it does ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #137

Pretending that I enjoy some privilege is closer pipoman Feb 2014 #148

It's about the whole of society. It's not about you personally. cui bono Feb 2014 #166

What's bad? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #104

what is the definition of Privilege? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #155

Who is this oh so privileged group? pipoman Feb 2014 #158

But ... But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #33

'I'm in the right' 'everyone with a different view is something best described pipoman Feb 2014 #38

It's not about a mere "different view" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #46

Great response. +1 CrispyQ Feb 2014 #64

+++ hlthe2b Feb 2014 #68

. Squinch Feb 2014 #70

Thank you so much for saying that. boston bean Feb 2014 #78

.... ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #109

anything that will lower the staggering level of rape and abuse in this country roguevalley Feb 2014 #125

1StrongBlackMan, I think I have a new sig line. Thank you. roguevalley Feb 2014 #126

And when people pretend pipoman Feb 2014 #157

Pretend? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #191

And when people in the privileged gender or race pretend they are not privileged, they Squinch Feb 2014 #222

:) BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #162

Excellent explanation. N/t tooeyeten Feb 2014 #163

Would that I could recommend a post wryter2000 Feb 2014 #165

Oh so very, very, very well said. redqueen Feb 2014 #173

Excellent response! thucythucy Feb 2014 #192

Only to people who don't know what it is. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #41

Derailment tactic. boston bean Feb 2014 #83

And it, sadly, worked very well Lordquinton Feb 2014 #199

So in other words... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #103

I have a few reactions to your statement WhiteTara Feb 2014 #111

Nice repost, White Tara. I have Libra disease too in that I can see both sides as well roguevalley Feb 2014 #127

Thanks. Mostly I'm quoting the Dalai Lama WhiteTara Feb 2014 #128

that's alright, darling. Know thy self. Every thing you do is a revelation of your roguevalley Feb 2014 #130

... WhiteTara Feb 2014 #136

The Dalai Lama said "widdle feewings"?? Beartracks Feb 2014 #168

no...that was me WhiteTara Feb 2014 #177

I cannot tell you how many times... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #152

How about some examples? amuse bouche Feb 2014 #186

... pipoman Feb 2014 #210

Sorry, you don't have a leg to stand on, for that one amuse bouche Feb 2014 #214

Stop. Just stop. You're not helping anything. Recursion Feb 2014 #204

The OP covered that. merrily Feb 2014 #207

I can only imagine that you will provide us with a valid ratio... LanternWaste Feb 2014 #225

You are too funny!!! bravenak Feb 2014 #227

I admit that it took me a long time to recognize what you are saying too and I am a woman and a seaglass Feb 2014 #2

I had the same epiphany a couple of years ago when the same shit went down. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #3

I stop short at disbanding TMG. Other than that Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #8

+1 TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #131

My question is plantwomyn Feb 2014 #170

That was a poor word choice on my part. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #182

There are many male regular participants in this group (History of Feminism--the largest of the 4) hlthe2b Feb 2014 #184

No, they absolutely do not exclude men. Please see my response to the other poster #184 hlthe2b Feb 2014 #185

Bjorn, I am a woman and I had pretty much the same trajectory as you when I got here. Squinch Feb 2014 #9

it is unfortunate that in our lives we only get to experience truly and fully roguevalley Feb 2014 #129

Thank you, Bjorn, for your support and for taking a stand, Tanuki Feb 2014 #11

One thing that this controversy has made clear is that Squinch Feb 2014 #14

Taking the time to look at the recs we recieve boston bean Feb 2014 #86

Same here... PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #31

Thank you for this OP. chervilant Feb 2014 #16

+1000 ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #123

Correct on all points. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #147

That is something that's fortunately true. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #216

im not awake enough to type coherently, but thanks BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #17

just like racism, homophobia, misogyny heaven05 Feb 2014 #18

+1 Squinch Feb 2014 #22

+1000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #29

Thanks much, Bjorn. "Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left", whathehell Feb 2014 #19

Ditto (many thanks to Bjorn), and the Pollitt quote really does seem true frazzled Feb 2014 #62

++++++! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #164

thank you very much for your support. I would expect that you will receive a lot of flak for this niyad Feb 2014 #20

Hearing from those whose eyes have been opened by recent DU activity... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #23

Thanks, I will let Skinner know my views. Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #51

I agree, Bjorn. closeupready Feb 2014 #25

K&R Solly Mack Feb 2014 #27

Thank you PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #28

To be frank, I have always found DU to be misogynist to a point but not Cleita Feb 2014 #30

You missed the Point, the objection, the whole 9 yards! packman Feb 2014 #40

FYI the swim suit edition of SI has always been posted on DU in the past. I've been here since 2003 Cleita Feb 2014 #45

"Faux outrage"? MadrasT Feb 2014 #55

Evolution is a good thing! CrispyQ Feb 2014 #76

Don't bother, trying to explain how these pictures, no matter how "artistic", harm real young women KitSileya Feb 2014 #61

Yes, comments from my senator about running for office: seaglass Feb 2014 #63

The explanation that is being floated in another thread is that someone called someone a Squinch Feb 2014 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Feb 2014 #82

Then you should have alerted... Coming in here to smear posters in this group with hlthe2b Feb 2014 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Feb 2014 #88

Then you are merely coming here to make insinuations & stir trouble. Kindly stop it. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Feb 2014 #93

You are in a group with specific SOP for participation, which includes civil discussion. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #94

Whoops--thought this thead was posted in GD. My error. Orrex Feb 2014 #96

I understand... Thank you for your cooperation. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #97

Hlthe2b, I didn't see Squinch Feb 2014 #150

no problem... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #156

was that about what I think it was about? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Feb 2014 #240

so sick of this shit, Squinch. is this about what I think it is about? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #238

Yes. You saw it already. I just can't believe that was given as the reason Squinch Feb 2014 #241

thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #243

No one is saying you are not adult enough to look at the pictures Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #43

Why can't people use the trash thread and ignore button? Cleita Feb 2014 #52

Why do you think the photos are appropriate for GD? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #54

Perhaps you'd like to take your own advice for this thread? n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #57

Why would the outrage be phony? What would be the desired result of that? cui bono Feb 2014 #198

Many women of my generation... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #44

I am respectful when I post, but when I don't get respect I will give back in kind. Cleita Feb 2014 #48

Consider this a warning. n/t hlthe2b Feb 2014 #49

Consider this a warning. Don't make threats. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #53

Please stop JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #56

Why did you come into this protected group to spew your shit? Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #67

^^The poster has been blocked from this group^^ hlthe2b Feb 2014 #71

Thank you. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #72

Bullies playing the victim. It's always the same schtick. Sad that it seems to be working for them. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #77

Yes, I really appreciated being told that harassment was my fault, KitSileya Feb 2014 #79

Sorry you had JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #92

Thank you. spooky3 Feb 2014 #100

And under what circumstance does that allow you to accuse a rape victim of lying boston bean Feb 2014 #89

Look at your first sentence. You are applying the wrong standard. spooky3 Feb 2014 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2014 #98

Obviously, these results say far more about spooky3 Feb 2014 #101

Actually hosts enforce SOPs BainsBane Feb 2014 #114

Thanks. It would be helpful if this spooky3 Feb 2014 #116

what I do in such cases BainsBane Feb 2014 #117

Thanks. I'm just saying it should be easier to find spooky3 Feb 2014 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2014 #119

If you were not willing to read the alert spooky3 Feb 2014 #120

^^The poster has been blocked from this group^^ hlthe2b Feb 2014 #121

Thank you. spooky3 Feb 2014 #122

Thank you Bjorn. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #34

The 'mens' Group is mis-named... It is truly the MRA Group... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #36

In fairness, there's hot celebrity fantasies too. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #42

LOL! ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #112

Which generate more responses thucythucy Feb 2014 #194

Interesting how it is men who are the ones pointing that out, and who, understandably, Squinch Feb 2014 #66

It sure is not 'The Men's Group' and it is very much misnamed. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #75

My sense is 98% of the men on this site feel the same BainsBane Feb 2014 #115

I agree wholeheartedly! justhanginon Feb 2014 #146

+100. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #37

So let's post porn and snuff movies, then, right? Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #47

No, I know, let's post blackface minstrel shows, and "sh#m%le" porn. KitSileya Feb 2014 #59

It's really mind-boggling. They don't even realize that they're arguing for anarchy. nt Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #134

Just how GOP Governor Corbett talks about mandatory vaginal ultrasounds Divernan Feb 2014 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #135

Thank you JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #50

It's good of you to come out and say that. Whisp Feb 2014 #58

it is important that the men of DU stand up and speak out. nt. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #69

It has become quite blatant etherealtruth Feb 2014 #74

Thank you. TDale313 Feb 2014 #80

Very nice. boston bean Feb 2014 #81

This is the positivity of all the negativity, CrispyQ Feb 2014 #87

I am a female bodied person and I used to think the same thing. MadrasT Feb 2014 #91

I could just hug you right now. Thank you for this post. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #239

From a quiet member MostlyAmused Feb 2014 #102

Thank you for speaking up. spooky3 Feb 2014 #106

Thank you for your comments. I hope you feel comfortable in this group. n/t hlthe2b Feb 2014 #107

Thank you ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #105

Thanks Bjorn Against WhiteTara Feb 2014 #113

Humongous KR ... nt MindMover Feb 2014 #132

You are my kind of man. Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2014 #133

Harassment of women here became a big issue Warpy Feb 2014 #138

well said! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #167

That's too bad. KitSileya Feb 2014 #171

Yes, exactly. MadrasT Feb 2014 #176

+1 historylovr Feb 2014 #232

+999999999999999999999.9999999999999999999999999 AAO Feb 2014 #139

Bjorn Against BainsBane Feb 2014 #140

I just made a new post in the ATA forum Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #172

I agree that the support has been encouraging BainsBane Feb 2014 #178

You made it to the greatest page... Agschmid Feb 2014 #188

One intelligent, thoughtful post like this makes up for dozens by the knee-jerk nasties. Thank you! pnwmom Feb 2014 #143

the 97 recs help too BainsBane Feb 2014 #149

Absolutely! TDale313 Feb 2014 #159

It looks like it BainsBane Feb 2014 #161

I can't thank you enough wryter2000 Feb 2014 #160

OPs like this confirm my instinct sufrommich Feb 2014 #169

Comparing HOF to the MG A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #174

a quote that needs to be kept and put on repeat DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #179

What would DU be without the drama Gman Feb 2014 #181

Misogyny, like racism...... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #183

Well said! blackspade Feb 2014 #187

I'm so encouraged by your support and that of so many UtahLib Feb 2014 #190

Don't fall for it. It's always the tiny handful of right wingers posing as DUers posting this trash Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #193

Cheers. kickysnana Feb 2014 #195

Very well state. Thanks. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #200

Noob says he went and scanned the mens group. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #196

It's flourishing in GD as we speak BainsBane Feb 2014 #197

That's why it doesn't matter if the group goes away. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #219

Thanks for a thoughtful OP. I blow these off as hopeless, usually. And appreciate this. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #201

Is it misogyny or perhaps Sherman A1 Feb 2014 #203

It is misogyny in a lot of cases. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #212

K&R emsimon33 Feb 2014 #205

Thank you so much. myrna minx Feb 2014 #206

A lot of the misogyny seems to come from those who lean right in general. merrily Feb 2014 #208

Some also seem to be the same people who get sufrommich Feb 2014 #213

you noticed it, too. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #215

K&R. I agree completely. The recent nonsense has been pretty eye-opening. DanTex Feb 2014 #217

I saw your post in ATA. The future looks grim. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #218

Thank you for this OP and your question in ATA. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #220

K&R! hrmjustin Feb 2014 #223

SKINNER: "So we're genuinely conflicted. Do we lay down the law, A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #224

Thanks, I was at work so I was unable to provide a response to Skinner right away Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #229

Your response was thoughtful and well presented. MadrasT Feb 2014 #230

Amen. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #231

I think your insight about where juries fail was spot on. A very thoughtful post. Thanks. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #233

Yes thank you from me as well. RBStevens Feb 2014 #234

That was an outstanding response. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #235

Thank you for that reply and also thanks for the OP in GD. Thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #242

Thank you, sir! bravenak Feb 2014 #228